DCNu Second Wave

[Raph's Girl]

The following of the DCNu 52 have been cancelled:
OMAC
Static Shock
Mister Terrific
Hawk & Dove
Men of War
Blackhawks.

They will end after issues 8 and be replaced by the following in The Second Wave:
Batman Inc
Earth 2
World's Finest
Dial H
G.I Combat
The Ravagers

Of all those Earth 2 (which basically to me sounds like JSA meets Sliders) and World's Finest (Helena Wayne and Karen Starr stuck on the main earth) interest me the most!

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/dc-b...-12-01-12.html

[Metropoliskid41]

Its too bad Blackhawks couldn't have done better, I always liked those cast of characters since they were featured in Action Comics weekly in the late 80s post-Crisis on Infinite Earths. I'm hoping GI Combat takes off, it'd be nice if they could get the Kubert brothers to do the covers for those, or maybe Joe himself for a couple. It'd be a nice nod to Joe Kubert's awesome run on all of DC's war books over the years, including GI Combat itself.

[Leo656]

They need to stop pushing OMAC. It worked with Infinte Crisis, it never worked before or since. Especially that awful Aftermath mini-series. I officially tried to care about OMACs as something other than a Max Lord-related WMD plot device for a mega-crossover, and it ain't happenin'. If Brother Eye isn't trying to take over the world they have no reason to exist, and Brother Eye should only be pulled out once in a blue moon (no pun intended) as a "Holy Sh*t" level threat. Remember when Anti-Monitor was scary when he killed the Multiverse, before he started hanging out with Superboy Prime and they killed his gimmick? Case in point.

And since I'm ranting, I love Batman even more than the next guy, but the world officially needs NO more Batman books, and in fact, could really use one or two less. Only the comic book industry would respond to a recession and slumping sales by jacking up prices and doubling the number of books for sale.

Earth-2 and World's Finest both intrigue and anger me. Intrigued, because I love the characters involved. Anger, because after decades they finally got the JSA and Power Girl and Huntress to fit neatly into "proper" DCU continuity, and this Retcon Crapfest comes along and wrecks it all. Gah.

[ZariusTwo]

Interesting to see Howard Mackie has come out of hiding. Whilst he DID work on the 2009 Clone Saga remake with Tom DeFalco, he hasnt done much work since his infamous and ill-fated 1999-2001 run on Spider-Man

[Metropoliskid41]

I really wish we could have a classic Worlds Finest that featured Batman & Superman. They have a unique opportunity here to have Batman and Superman start off not knowing each other and being very untrusting, as we see both of them develop into the heroes they will one day be. It would be a great chance to see their adventures that occur between the end of the first arc running through Justice League (which will jump to present day DCU at the conclusion of the Darkseid/Apokalips story) and the present day in the DCU. There is about 5-7 years in there that they could fill in with some great Batman & Superman stories and do a lot of character development.

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by Metropoliskid41

I really wish we could have a classic Worlds Finest that featured Batman & Superman. They have a unique opportunity here to have Batman and Superman start off not knowing each other and being very untrusting, as we see both of them develop into the heroes they will one day be. It would be a great chance to see their adventures that occur between the end of the first arc running through Justice League (which will jump to present day DCU at the conclusion of the Darkseid/Apokalips story) and the present day in the DCU. There is about 5-7 years in there that they could fill in with some great Batman & Superman stories and do a lot of character development.

MK41,I think there are already TOO MANY Batman books plus his JLA and JLI appearances. So the Worlds' Finest incarnation with Power Girl and Huntress is it Helena Bertelli or Helena Wayne?

[Andrew NDB]

I'm not sure how much louder or clearer readers need to send DC the message before they will understand that no one, but no one cares about their damn war books.

Especially nowadays.

And the OMAC thing is weird. They finally achieved something with the concept that people seemed to dig via Infinite Crisis and such and now they just take a big sh*t on all that and regress it to a much more dated blueprint that was never even a success to begin with.

[Raph's Girl]

Originally Posted by mikeandraph87

MK41,I think there are already TOO MANY Batman books plus his JLA and JLI appearances. So the Worlds' Finest incarnation with Power Girl and Huntress is it Helena Bertelli or Helena Wayne?

The article specifically says it's Helena Wayne. Pre-crisis Helena Wayne and Karen Starr stuck on the new earth.

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by Raph's Girl

The article specifically says it's Helena Wayne. Pre-crisis Helena Wayne and Karen Starr stuck on the new earth.

I looked at DC's blog in its site that did not indicate not the article you had posted.

So did the New 52 win anyone over or was the previous continuity better?

[Metropoliskid41]

Continuity wise I really miss the 75 year history they had going. I am ahuge Superman fan first and foremost, and over the last few years have managed to track down almost every single issue from the main Superman ongoing series and most of the one shots from Crisis on Infinite Earths (1985-86) onwards. So thats Action Comics, Superman, Adventures of Superman, Superman Man of Steel, Superman Man of Tomorrow, Superman Birthright, All-Star Superman and Superman Confidential. About 2000 or so comics from that time period, and now its all out the window, so naturally yeah I was a little mad when they rebooted/relaunched the DC Universe.

But then I got to thinking about it, Superman is really the only character that is getting a significant overhaul and change in origin. Sure Barbara Gordon is no longer crippled, that is a change, but that incident still happened and she was cured in a miracle. But SUperman is really the only character getting overhauled. Batman is essentially the same, Green Lantern is essentially the same. Flash is very similar minus his marriage to Iris West. And I don't think that this is any coincidence that Superman gets an overhaul while the legal disputes with the money grubbing Siegels continues. So for me, I would rather have a changed Superman than no Superman at all, so I'll live with it. The other DC books I was reading pre reboot were essentially untouched, and with them bringing in so many new books, I really tried a lot of books I normally wouldn't have. So I guess in that sense it worked. I was reading about 12-15 DC titles a month before the reboot, and am now reading those same books plus 14-17 more for a total of 29 monthly books from them. Books like All-Star Western, Animal Man, Swamp Thing, Ressurection Man, Aquaman, and I Vampire that I would have probably never spent the money on, I picked up and have loved, and added to my pull list.

So to get back to the question, I prefer the old continuity much better as the DC Universe as a whole and especially Superman, but a new Superman is better than no Superman at all. Legion, GL, Batman, etc are all pretty much unchanged so no difference there, and I tried a lot of new books that I've really loved. So while I miss the old continuity it could be worse, so I think overall the positives outweigh the negatives.

[ZariusTwo]

I don't mind the changes in continuity. I've practically grown up on Superman having about fifteen thousand different versions of his origins/early history thanks to stories like "Birthright" and "Secret Origins", so having another doesnt alarm me. I just hope they STICK to this new history for more than just a few years. To be honest, Supes was in a comfort zone and desperatly needed a shake-up, and since the only other story to tell with him was to have Lois pregnant and expose him to the pressures of fatherhood (teased with Zod's son), they decided to go with the easier, less challenging option of rebooting everything.

I have a bit of a problem with Babs walking again, as it's completly unreallistic and she was a better role model when she was overcoming her handicap, putting on the coustume just regreeses her.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Metropoliskid41

Continuity wise I really miss the 75 year history they had going.

It's a non-issue if you're a Batman or a Green Lantern fan -- no continuity has been touched whatsoever.

[Metropoliskid41]

Green Lantern I definitely agree on that, and as a Green Lantern fan I really appreciate it, because volume 4 of GL and volume 2 of GLC were phenomenol.

Batman while mostly untouched there are some changes and major plot holes. The main one being with Batman Inc, which has been stated as in continuity, which means Batman and Catwoman travelling the world together knowing each others identities should be in, yet Selina Kyle doesn't know Bruce is Batman in the New 52 DCU. That's a huge error. The other being Jason Todd. His death obviously didn't happen if the there has been 4 Robins in like 2 years or whatever it was, if it did that makes his death and return as Red Hood super un impactful and pretty much meaningless.

I get that they are trying to be mysterious, but those plot holes really bad, I get that they can't reveal all of these secrets or lay all of their cards on the table at once, but when they tell you 2 stories happened, and they don't mesh, they can't just smile and say "no it works" when it doesn't without an explanation. They need to clean that **** up.

[MikeandRaph87]

Starting with the second wave DC gets a newer logo. To me it looks like"what is that supposed to be?". A "C" being pealed back like its revealing itself and dc comics in black underneath. DC could have done better with a logo redesign. It looks like another attempt of streamlining itself and divorcing itself even further from itself prior to the reboot. Here is a breif article about it.

http://robot6.comicbookresources.com...-of-dc-comics/

[ZariusTwo]

Newsarama interview with Paul Levitz on "World's Finest" which confirms The Huntress in the current mini-series is Helena Wayne using the alias of Helena Bertelli.

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/paul...-2-120113.html

[Leo656]

I've said this elsewhere, but after all the stuff with Superman and now the new DC logo I'm 100% convinced: Vince Russo is booking DC Comics.

[Mr._Mutant_Man]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I've said this elsewhere, but after all the stuff with Superman and now the new DC logo I'm 100% convinced: Vince Russo is booking DC Comics.

Marvel is way more Vince Russo-like than DC could ever hope to be.

I think the worst thing about the DC reboot has been the cancellation of Stephanie Brown as Batgirl. That series was one of the best things DC had going at the time. I don't buy "Barbara is the more marketable character" thing either. With that argument, why not make Dick Grayson Robin again, because that's the way most people remember him.

[ZariusTwo]

And the soap opera unfolds

http://www.comicvine.com/news/rozum-...-shock/144155/

Rozum on why he left Static Shock and what he felt about the book being a shock value den

[ZariusTwo]

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/geof...am-120126.html

Captain Marvel is back, but D.C are finally dropping the name and going with "Shazam".

[Fugitoid Jones]

I'm really digging the New 52 right now. Most of the books I've been reading have been good to outstanding. So far the most fun book DC has been releasing, to my surprise, has been Aquaman.

I was happy when I heard about the company wide reboot, because with the exception of Green Lantern, I thought most of DC's main books hadn't been good for awhile. Chief among them was the Superman books. Before the reboot, I hadn't read a really good Superman comic in a very long time.

Marvel, on the other hand, hasn't been setting my world on fire lately. Some of their books that I'm reading have been good (Amazing Spider-Man, Daredevil, Incredible Hulk), but with all the deaths and quick resurrections, big events that just lead to other big events, and renumbering books just for the sake or renumbering them, Marvel has been disappointing me for awhile.