Do you think "white" Baxter Stockman will ever be used again?

*CyberCubed* · 01-16-2012, 11:52 PM

In every new incarnation of TMNT since his original Mirage debut, Baxter has remained an African American with the exception of the original cartoon, (and his cameos in Archie, which barely count).

The 4kids series, IDW series, and Nick cartoon all portray him as African American.

Do you think we'll ever see the return of white Baxter with the long yellow hair?

*MikeandRaph87* · 01-17-2012, 07:58 AM

I don't care if he is white or black. I of course was introduced to him as a white mad scientist but its the character beyond the skin and the form he later takes that interest me and I think that is why he is black opposed to white each time as he was originally black anyway. Turning into a fly I bet isn't done though. That is iconic beyond the race of this character. Baxter as we are told was made white for the original cartoon over fears of racism being sparked because Shredder wa abusing a black man so he was changed to white so to avoid that from parents. If Shredder was white himself I could see that but even then would tihnk that was a silly precaution. So black Baxter Stockman becoming a fly again ,yes. White again,no.

Metropoliskid41 · 01-17-2012, 08:16 AM

No I really don't think we'll ever see him as Baxter again, unless current Baxter gets all cyborged up and then tries to transfer his consciousness into another body.

I think it would be cool though if "White Baxter" made a cameo in the background of Stockgen labs as a simple lab tech working for real Baxter.

rufus · 01-17-2012, 08:39 AM

Was it ever said why Baxter had his ethnicity changed for the FW show?

Type 97 Chi-ha · 01-17-2012, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by rufus

Was it ever said why Baxter had his ethnicity changed for the FW show?

Probably because the makers were afraid to come up with an African-American villain?

*MikeandRaph87* · 01-17-2012, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by rufus

Was it ever said why Baxter had his ethnicity changed for the FW show?

Yes,read my post above for the answer. It was because of the fear of abusing a black man. Its funny because of the length of abuse Baxter Stockman went in the 2003 cartoon even if he got the happy ending the original cartoon Baxter didn't.

rufus · 01-17-2012, 10:03 AM

Totally missed that part.

~~ABrown~~ · 01-17-2012, 10:21 AM

It's definitely possible. I think that the original TMNT cartoon has as much influence over the various incarnations that followed as the original comics did.

Logan · 01-17-2012, 12:10 PM

I'm kind of surprised he wasn't in Turtles Forever, to be honest.

But in regards to the question... no. Kids now identify him as a black character. If they tried to go back (see what I just did there? nyuk nyuk), there would be accusations of white-washing, blah blah blah. Because the NAACP have nothing better to do than make everything into a case of racism.

Type 97 Chi-ha · 01-17-2012, 12:30 PM

I probably should note that the recent Tom Hanks movie The Ladykillers has a scene where black robbers try to hold up a doughnut shop run by an Indochinese man and his wife-and they beat up the robbers.

Foot Soldier Clang · 01-17-2012, 02:09 PM

Probably not. I see "white Baxter" staying within the realm of the 86 series. I would like to see Baxter return as in his mutant fly form tho, with the same voice actor from the classic show if possible.

*CyberCubed* · 01-17-2012, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Type 97 Chi-ha

Probably because the makers were afraid to come up with an African-American villain?

They had no problem with Bebop being black.

*ToTheNines* · 01-17-2012, 03:36 PM

The real question is... will we ever see black Barney Stockman?

*Icebot* · 01-17-2012, 04:20 PM

I'd consider it very possible (wasn't Dr. Chaplan of the 2k3 show a lot similar to 87 Stockman?)

*CyberCubed* · 01-17-2012, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Icebot

I'd consider it very possible (wasn't Dr. Chaplan of the 2k3 show a lot similar to 87 Stockman?)

I always thought that too.

Hermano Dyvas · 01-18-2012, 12:44 PM

Unless the "politically correct" rules get really exagerated we'll keep seeing Baxter as an evil black guy methinks.

*Plasticplayhouse* · 01-18-2012, 12:55 PM

i doubt it, especially not a goofy version such as the OT. personally i prefer the black baxter. i'm more of a traditionalist anyway.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 01-18-2012, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

They had no problem with Bebop being black.

Probably because Rocksteady was white.

Type 97 Chi-ha · 01-18-2012, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Swedenfan 1982

Probably because Rocksteady was white.

And Shredder was yellow. The diversity angle was at least covered in the Technodrome.

*ssjup81* · 01-18-2012, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Type 97 Chi-ha

And Shredder was yellow. The diversity angle was at least covered in the Technodrome.

Nice. White, black, yellow, and pink. Perfect.

01-16-2012, 11:52 PM	#1
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,880	Do you think "white" Baxter Stockman will ever be used again? In every new incarnation of TMNT since his original Mirage debut, Baxter has remained an African American with the exception of the original cartoon, (and his cameos in Archie, which barely count). The 4kids series, IDW series, and Nick cartoon all portray him as African American. Do you think we'll ever see the return of white Baxter with the long yellow hair?

01-17-2012, 07:58 AM	#2
MikeandRaph87 Jedi Master Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: JLA Satellite Headquarters Posts: 11,189	I don't care if he is white or black. I of course was introduced to him as a white mad scientist but its the character beyond the skin and the form he later takes that interest me and I think that is why he is black opposed to white each time as he was originally black anyway. Turning into a fly I bet isn't done though. That is iconic beyond the race of this character. Baxter as we are told was made white for the original cartoon over fears of racism being sparked because Shredder wa abusing a black man so he was changed to white so to avoid that from parents. If Shredder was white himself I could see that but even then would tihnk that was a silly precaution. So black Baxter Stockman becoming a fly again ,yes. White again,no. __________________ Michelangelo: This looks like a job for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles! Raphael: Sheesh, Mikey this ain't a cartoon!

01-17-2012, 08:16 AM	#3
Metropoliskid41 Stone Warrior Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Tundra Posts: 886	No I really don't think we'll ever see him as Baxter again, unless current Baxter gets all cyborged up and then tries to transfer his consciousness into another body. I think it would be cool though if "White Baxter" made a cameo in the background of Stockgen labs as a simple lab tech working for real Baxter. __________________ -------------------

01-17-2012, 08:39 AM	#4
rufus Stone Warrior Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Lawrenceville,Georgia Posts: 780	Was it ever said why Baxter had his ethnicity changed for the FW show? __________________ http://www.youtube.com/user/edgartooms ^TMNT Stopmotions.

01-17-2012, 10:03 AM	#7
rufus Stone Warrior Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Lawrenceville,Georgia Posts: 780	Totally missed that part. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/user/edgartooms ^TMNT Stopmotions.

01-17-2012, 10:21 AM	#8
~~ABrown~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,831	It's definitely possible. I think that the original TMNT cartoon has as much influence over the various incarnations that followed as the original comics did.

01-17-2012, 12:10 PM	#9
Logan Hench Mutant Join Date: May 2011 Location: Michigan Posts: 483	I'm kind of surprised he wasn't in Turtles Forever, to be honest. But in regards to the question... no. Kids now identify him as a black character. If they tried to go back (see what I just did there? nyuk nyuk), there would be accusations of white-washing, blah blah blah. Because the NAACP have nothing better to do than make everything into a case of racism. __________________ We're a team; and as a team let's go kick some ass! -Leonardo Logan the Layman Critic, a youtube channel for movie reviews and animation appreciation. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjn...xrKPml1WlYh6Mw

01-17-2012, 12:30 PM	#10
Type 97 Chi-ha Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Brookfield, IL Posts: 1,333	I probably should note that the recent Tom Hanks movie The Ladykillers has a scene where black robbers try to hold up a doughnut shop run by an Indochinese man and his wife-and they beat up the robbers.

01-17-2012, 02:09 PM	#11
Foot Soldier Clang Hench Mutant Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Big Apple, 3am Posts: 456	Probably not. I see "white Baxter" staying within the realm of the 86 series. I would like to see Baxter return as in his mutant fly form tho, with the same voice actor from the classic show if possible.

01-17-2012, 03:36 PM	#13
ToTheNines Col. Stinkmeaner Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19,363	The real question is... will we ever see black Barney Stockman?

01-17-2012, 04:20 PM	#14
Icebot Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: East Coast, US Posts: 3,225	I'd consider it very possible (wasn't Dr. Chaplan of the 2k3 show a lot similar to 87 Stockman?)

01-18-2012, 12:44 PM	#16
Hermano Dyvas Hench Mutant Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Europe Posts: 355	Unless the "politically correct" rules get really exagerated we'll keep seeing Baxter as an evil black guy methinks.

01-18-2012, 12:55 PM	#17
Plasticplayhouse the gray ghost Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: North East Posts: 2,194	i doubt it, especially not a goofy version such as the OT. personally i prefer the black baxter. i'm more of a traditionalist anyway. __________________ Want to see more of my custom figures? http://plasticplayhouse.deviantart.com/