Outdated technology in the OT from today's perspective

[Konchadunga]

What? Okay; I'll give you Nazism, but war didn't defeat Communism any way you skew it. All of the wars to stop the spread of Communism were only a partial success at best and a massive failure at worst. Of course, a much larger war with the Soviet Union or China might have "defeated" Communism, but the ramifications of one may well have been a world even more depressing than one ruled by Communism. That isn't to say there weren't preparations to fight such a war; hence my claim that it drove space technology, but ultimate what defeated Communism was the prosperity of Western societies. No actual war involved.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Originally Posted by Konchadunga

What? Okay; I'll give you Nazism, but war didn't defeat Communism any way you skew it. All of the wars to stop the spread of Communism were only a partial success at best and a massive failure at worst. Of course, a much larger war with the Soviet Union or China might have "defeated" Communism, but the ramifications of one may well have been a world even more depressing than one ruled by Communism. That isn't to say there weren't preparations to fight such a war; hence my claim that it drove space technology, but ultimate what defeated Communism was the prosperity of Western societies. No actual war involved.

There may have been little shooting between the superpowers, but the Cold War was won with definitive efforts, including military spending, on the part of the West. In any case, my original point was that the US putting men on the Moon was definitely a matter of showing up the Russians, who had previously been the first to send a man into space.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by Type 97 Chi-ha

There may have been little shooting between the superpowers, but the Cold War was won with definitive efforts, including military spending, on the part of the West. In any case, my original point was that the US putting men on the Moon was definitely a matter of showing up the Russians, who had previously been the first to send a man into space.

This may be more pihlosphic politics, but the progress of individualism in the 1970's and 80's won the Cold War, which was based on collectivism and nationalism even if it was Western World countries.

*By the 1970's, the econmic Post War boom came to an end in 1973-1974, and the USA and the UK ended up in economic crises. Some steps to shrink (not abolish) the wellfare states (built up on some collective bases) were made there in the 1970's and 80's. California voted for the reduced taxes in 1978 I think.
*By the late 1980's, the USA and the UK had increased its military budgets, with no chance for the USSR to hang on. The 1970's economic recession had turned the USSR more and more into a poorhouse.
*By 1989-1991 the Cold War ended in three stages (Berlin Wall fall in November 1989, German re-unification in October 1990 and finally USSR split up in December 1991)
*When the Cold War was over, out came a super-individual global free trade world. The we"/"us" national thinking had been replaced by "me". You were no longer afraid of the USSR police or nuclear disaster, but for bad successes in relations (personal, not international relations), being fat, less successful i business or whatever.
*The end of the Cold War gave young people of the 1990's opportunities who had never been seen before. Abolished border control gave new opportunities for working, travelling and studying abroad. Still by early 1989, the ordinary people of almost half of the world had been cut off (those living inside Eastern Socialist states). Even school became more individualized, in the past it was more the institution that educated the future children of the wellfare state, now it's more what you use to get a successful education and turn your dreams into reality.
*As the individual 1990's progressed, it was more important than ever before to create products for "me" (mobile telephone, MP 3 players, Internet and whatever), as opposed to earlier "us" (the state needing spacecraft, military equipment, research).

In today's individualized world, it's hard to uphold the old values of the welfare state, just as it in the golden years of welfare was tought to uphold family values of pre-welfare days, even if family values has progressed after the end of the cold War.

This also affects TMNT:
*1987 cartoon = The Earth ("we"/"us") is threatened by "them" and the TMNT, co-operating as a team, must work together to defeat Shredder, Krang, Bebop, and Rocksteady, who have kidnapped April and Irma. While still a family, they work together as a team much more.
*2003 cartoon = Individualized and the TMNT care much more for themselves (conflicts within family), even the 2007 movie starts having them split up.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

On top of that, several things happened in the 1980's:

The Soviet Union made a disastrous invasion of Afghanistan, which proved to the world it wasn't as strong as it used to be. It didn't even invade Poland during the Solidarity uprising.

The price of oil (a major income source for Russia) fell drastically mid-decade. Rumor has it that President Reagan prompted Saudi Arabia to overproduce.

The West abandoned its old policy of detente and accomodation with the USSR. It proved not to work.

[Falconhood]

Originally Posted by Konchadunga

Actually; the payphone bit is so dated that it was already spoofed in the old Christopher Reeves movies, though not in the same way it would be now. Instead, he just tries to change in a payphone but finds it's a newer model that isn't an enclosed box, so he can't.

absolutely. I think i had a mad magazine back in the 1990s where Superman had to change in a modern phonebooth(stall, like a urinal stall)

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Originally Posted by Falconhood

absolutely. I think i had a mad magazine back in the 1990s where Superman had to change in a modern phonebooth(stall, like a urinal stall)

I remember seeing a MAD magazine from decades before where Dennis the Menace opens the door of a public phone booth, and inside is a half-dressed Superman. The caption is "No, I'm not finished changing! And will you stop opening that door!"

[gobo]

They quit making those in the 20th century.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by gobo

They quit making those in the 20th century.

It was built in Dimension X. We talk of Earth technology.

[pannoni1]

The Personal Energy Projector from "Planet of the Turtles" was given a PO Box snail mail address for ordering when shown on the Technodrome's portal screen. It's been many years now since we've last seen a snail mail offer on an infomercial, as it's all call or click nowadays. Also, the keyboard sound first heard by Howie in "Name That Toon" is that of a Yamaha DX7 electric piano, very common in pop music in the '80s/early '90s.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

You don't think Earth technology in the 2003 show is superior to real life 2003 technology.

[gobo]

We have better AI these days. Oh, wait...

[Falconhood]

Originally Posted by Type 97 Chi-ha

I remember seeing a MAD magazine from decades before where Dennis the Menace opens the door of a public phone booth, and inside is a half-dressed Superman. The caption is "No, I'm not finished changing! And will you stop opening that door!"

Well, at least now he finally started getting the dressing RIGHT. for 70 years Superman kept putting on his pants and THEN his underwear.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by pannoni1

pop music in the '80s/early '90s.

And the drums in such songs usually sounds so heavy, even when it's not hard rock and heavy metal.