Port Aransas Judge Spanks Daughter

[Guitar_Raph]

(The Technodrome throws tomatoes @ me)

BOO!

Sorry for all the punch lines & comparisons. I realized it's a shocking video & I do apologize for being an idiot.

[Storm Eagle]

Originally Posted by Samhain

That wasn't a ''spank''. Being a parent, this video makes my blood boil. This is abuse and it's not right. That is no way to discipline a child.

You posted before the person I responded to, but I'm only now reading all the posts in this thread because this issue was discussed at my job. So after that, I thought I'd come back here to read everything, and your post stood out to me because you said you're a parent. A co-worker who's also a parent, is actually on the side of the judge. That's all because, to her, the 16 year-old being the daughter of a judge, ought to know better.

I still don't wish to see the video, but I think I'll still just take everybody's word for it that the whole thing must have been brutal. I understand the co-worker's point of view even though I'm not sure I'd agree with it. I'm not against corporal punishment (nor am I for it), but there is a right and wrong way to do it, and it should at least "fit the crime". For what it's worth, the aforementioned co-worker is the same person who thinks it's acceptable to discipline kids by putting them in the trunk of a car, which is something that someone else has done before, and had made the news.

[Samhain]

Originally Posted by Storm Eagle

A co-worker who's also a parent, is actually on the side of the judge. That's all because, to her, the 16 year-old being the daughter of a judge, ought to know better.

For what it's worth, the aforementioned co-worker is the same person who thinks it's acceptable to discipline kids by putting them in the trunk of a car, which is something that someone else has done before, and had made the news.

Well then...

[Leonardo Mystic]

o_O ... I hope that co-worker of yours, Storm Eagle, never has kids or comes in contact with kids. That is just highly disturbing.

To the topic at hand, I am not a parent, but I am vehemently against child abuse. I have not seen the video, but I don't think I really need to to know it is just like all the other child abuse cases out there. To make matters worse, the judge will not be facing charges because the statue of limitations expired after five years, which is just utter bullsh*t.

Ironically, he handles abuse cases. I don't think I'd want that judge handling such cases after this.

[Storm Eagle]

Originally Posted by Leonardo Mystic

o_O ... I hope that co-worker of yours, Storm Eagle, never has kids or comes in contact with kids. That is just highly disturbing.

Hate to break it to you, but she does. What's even sadder is that other people in my office agreed with her. Don't mind me though. My co-workers tend to be kooks.

[Koschei]

Seriously couldn't watch it.
I was first expecting something not too crazy and thought your comments were exaggerated. But I was wrong.
This is disgusting.
-The girl is 16 years old, that's too mature of an age to "spank" a girl.
-Thats not a spanking, that's a whoopin'. And you don't give whoopin's for downloading a game. Even if it was against the rules.
-The mother joins in on the beating? Clearly this is an unstable household and neither parents are in a state of mind to be parenting.
-This guy is a Judge? Seriously?

[Storm Eagle]

Originally Posted by Koschei

Seriously couldn't watch it.
I was first expecting something not too crazy and thought your comments were exaggerated. But I was wrong.
This is disgusting.
-The girl is 16 years old, that's too mature of an age to "spank" a girl.
-That's not a spanking, that's a whoopin'. And you don't give whoopins for downloading a game. Even if it was against the rules.
-The mother joins in on the beating? Clearly this is an unstable household and neither parents are in a state of mind to be parenting.
-This guy is a Judge? Seriously?

Did anybody ever tell you that you rock?

[Hero]

Has anything else come up regarding this?

===HERO

[Jelly Bean]

watching that clip made me really uncomfertable. My parents are as conservative as they come but even they never laid a hand on us growing up, I think it is because both my parents "got lickin's" while growing up and didn't want to do that to us. I showed my dad this clip and he said that he used to get beltings as bad as this when he was growing up right up until he moved out of my grandparents house. I mean dear God this girl is sixteen!

I don't get why conservative people have so much love for beatings and spankings especially for kids that have already hit puberty. One time at a bible study meeting one woman asked our pastor if she should stop spanking her twelve year old because the last time she did that he got "excited." The pastor said that he didn't see any reason to stop and suggested to just let the father do it instead because it will curb that reaction to have a man do it.

My thought was--MY GOD! why would you even use that kind of disipline on a twelve year old? If they are old enough to have that kind of reaction than they're obviously too old to get that type of disipline. I was so grossed out.

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by Jelly Bean

I don't get why conservative people have so much love for beatings and spankings especially for kids that have already hit puberty.

Well its this new concept called parenting. Spanking is jst being a parent.

Hitting with a belt is jst abuse.

and when they puberty its time for grounding

I used to hit with a spatula when I was younger right on the back of my thighs

[Jelly Bean]

Originally Posted by Redeemer

Well its this new concept called parenting. l:

wow! Could your head be any more up your ass with this comment?

[Storm Eagle]

Originally Posted by Jelly Bean

Wow! Could your head be any more up your ass with this comment?

Don't be so hard on him. It's just a way for parents to teach their kids right from wrong, and unfortunately it tends to work more often than not. That's why most parents prefer that type of discipline, although they don't necessarily like having to do it. However, I don't think using objects like belts and spatulas is necessarily abuse, but I personally think it's just unnecessary, and kind of silly. Even so, some people who have kids have told me they'd rather use a belt than their own hand, because they think they could do more damage with their hands. Possibly break bones. I still don't like the idea of using a belt on my kids though (if I had any). The hand might be best, but I wouldn't recommend going for the head or the face. One of my co-workers said she doesn't believe in smacking kids in the head, as it can do things to the brain if done too hard, or if done enough times. I remember one guy talking about getting a concussion because his mother hit him in the head.

One thing though. I'm a bit disturbed at how Redeemer laughs about having had a spatula taken to him.

[Barkworm]

I'm happy that in Germany even spanking is illegal. I'm from a relatively conservative Christian family, my brother and I were spanked as kids and I do not believe that we've suffered any emotional traumata from it. Nevertheless it shouldn't be part of parenting. There are many amazing parents today who know how to work out things with their kids without ever resorting to violence.

[Leo656]

Y'know, I'm not gonna say that's not terrible, and I'm not gonna say any one person has had it better or worse than another person, that would belittle the above clip and I genuinely don't want to do that...

However, I WILL say that if I, or pretty much anyone I know over 30, had a camera phone and YouTube when we were kids, I (and/or they) would be millionaires now, because I very vividly remember getting way more "discipline" for way less. I guess that's why when I saw that clip I'm like "Huh, that's kind of overkill," but genuinely wasn't shocked by it.

[Barkworm]

Leo, from what I remember you telling us about your parents over the years, you have my respect for putting up with them for so long. Instead of, you know, getting them locked up forever.

[Leo656]

Here's the thing though: Compared to what I know other people went through, both people I knew personally and people I to this day read about in the news, I had it light. WAY light. My whole life I never once considered the possibility that I'd been "abused", not until I was almost an adult and I'd met people from different areas who couldn't conceieve kids could be hit, at all, for anything. I still don't use the term to describe myself, although I definitely grew up in a house with a lot of anger and people who expressed it verbally and physically. To me, and my parents, to theirs, to my friends and their parents, and on and on, that kinda sh*t was seriously "Just how kids were raised" up until, honestly, about 1992.

Getting smart with your parents or refusing to do as told was good for a slap in the face, usually. Regular spankings could be for pretty much anything, but for that reason most kids' parents I knew considered it "useless" unless they used a belt or a wooden spoon or something, to show they really "meant business". My best friend's dad kept a collection of thick leather belts hanging on his kitchen wall, always within arms' reach in case any of his three kids - or their friends - ever acted up or cursed out loud. Yeah, remember back in the day, when as long as you were anybody's parent you could hit other people's kids, too? Wasn't that long ago. My mom liked wooden cooking spoons, but eventually she broke 'em all over my back and was too cheap to buy more and by then I was kinda too big to be getting hit anymore.

With my Dad it carried into adulthood since we really, really didn't get along but had to live together, but by then it wasn't parent-on-child abuse as much as it was two grown-ups actually fighting. But just to drive it home, the last time we had one of those fights, we end up going to court over it, and what does the prosecutor say when I answered his question ("Why did you hit your father?") with an honest answer ("He swung at me with a hammer")? Essentially he tells me "When I was a kid you'd be dead, your Dad could beat you to death with that f*cking hammer and it would mean you did something wrong, how dare you hit your father?" To clarify, the whole thing was BS and neither of us was hurt at all but the fact that someone who is in charge of law enforcement so openly - and loudly - told me that as far as he was concerned I should be dead or in jail for daring to defend myself... and that the judge mostly agreed and only cut the fine down when my Dad of all people said it was bullsh*t... ehh, it bugged me really bad. To this day I can't look at anyone with kids without wondering what might be going on behind closed doors. You can't always tell; some people who are "abused" are actually genuinely happy and well-treated most of the time.

Because that's the thing, me and all the kids (guys at least) I knew might have grown up that way, but we weren't unhappy. Well, I was for a lot of sort of connected reasons but in general, we were all pretty normal and grew up surprisingly well-adjusted. My friend whose dad kept the belts on the wall? His dad recently passed away, and at the funeral we all honestly could not stop laughing at the absurdity of how quick a whippin' could come back then, along with realizations of how often we "probably" had it coming. And somehow, we who grew up that way are almost all in way less-trouble as adults than our friends who had it "Easy", and I'm not the only one who notices.

So I honestly can never decide, is it "abuse" if growing up that way really is the surest way to ensure kids grow up honest, respectful, etc.? Because even though I wouldn't pass my sh*t off to anyone, I look at kids nowadays and I'm frankly shocked at how they act. At wrestling shows I work at, I have 7-year old kids calling me and/or my friends/coworkers "******s", their parents sitting right next to them encouraging them. So I think of kids getting hit, and I ask, "Is this really better?" Kids growing up rude, spoiled, and entitled? I grew up knowing I likely wasn't gonna get my way and if I pushed my luck I'd be screwed. It DOES kinda prepare you better for the real world, I have to say. On the other hand, it teaches them that it's the best way to get your point across, which is bad. But it IS very effective, which is good, mostly...

You'd think I'd be clearly on one side or the other. Maybe it's because as long as my parents were sober we got along great, I'unno. I didn't even realize WHY I was in therapy until way later, isn't that odd? To me, it was just "normal life". I think I turned out ok, so they'd both tell me they did their job and I should be glad for all the times I "should've" got it but didn't.

And since nobody else said it yet: I think the Christian Bale clip was way funnier than the video above. Way.

[BubblyShell22]

I got spanked as a child, and I turned out fine. I don't see spanking as abuse when you're younger. I used to get smacked in the face sometimes, too, but that was how I was raised. Back then, you could do that sort of thing. I probably wouldn't do that to my kids if I had any, but I'd definitely spank them. To me, kids need a spanking now and then. In this case, I don't think it's a good idea that he spanked her. He should've just taken the computer away.

Heck, there's controversy over a Facebook video where a dad shoots his daughter's laptop, and Nancy Snyderman on the Today show said it was abuse and that CPS should've bee called. When I think of what that dad could've done to his daughter, I think shooting a laptop that he bought isn't as bad as hitting her or even shooting her.

[Guitar_Raph]

Making some statements what another person said...

That's not a spanking, that's a whoopin'. And you don't give whoopin's for downloading a game. Even if it was against the rules.

That happened to me in Mobile, Alabama. I got a beating because I was caught using a motel elevator when the ice machine on our floor was out of order. How do I remember? Because the next day, Gerald Ford became our 38th President!

[The Stryker]

I love you Guitar Raph. I mean it.

[Sage Ninja]

One time at a bible study meeting one woman asked our pastor if she should stop spanking her twelve year old because the last time she did that he got "excited." The pastor said that he didn't see any reason to stop and suggested to just let the father do it instead because it will curb that reaction to have a man do it.

My thought was--MY GOD! why would you even use that kind of disipline on a twelve year old? If they are old enough to have that kind of reaction than they're obviously too old to get that type of disipline. I was so grossed out.

what the hell kind of bible study were you at where a mother actually brought up in front of people about her preteen son having erections when she spanked him? Putting aside why she would even ask her pastor that, why would she do it so openly? Isn't that something you ask advice on in private?

I'm pretty relgious and do beleive in spanking as a form of disipline for children (emphasis on children, not preteens or teenagers) but I have always found some relgious people's views on spankings and beating to be hypocritical and contradictive.

I like how in the clip the judge father said he "never got his lickin' in on her" when he had already stuck the girl several times with the belt on her legs and arms and side before the mother came in. What? It doesn't count unless it is on the ass? If you have to lay into a teenager with belt over a video game download, obviously your method of disipline isn't working. The beltings didn't create a grateful duaghter if she exposed your methods to the media, pretty sure if your adult child is exposing you too ridicule, you kind of dropped the ball paretning wise some where. Unless this makes the guy think that he didn't belt her enough after this incident.