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Godzilla · 10-09-2011, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr._Mutant_Man

Batgirl was better than I expected. From a marketing standpoint I understand why they made the decision to bring back Barbara Gordon as Batgirl. Considering this is the same company that brought back Barry Allen and Hal Jordan from the dead, it was bound to happen sooner or later. Hopefully Gail Simone keeps up the good work from the first issue.

I remember John Byrne, making some sort of comment about Babs returning to Batgirl years ago, by saying that alot of the higher ups at DC genuinely wanted this to happen, and Byrne himself was willing to write the story, and take the heat, but noted that DC decided against it due to a possible backlash, and ticking off Alan Moore.

Which is interesting, considering Moore himself refers to 'The Killing Joke' as essentially mediocre.

愛 · 10-28-2011, 10:23 AM

I'm in the crowd of "I've wanted to get into comics for a while but I'm not going to buy issue #539860376093 to start," so this reboot has been quite a blessing to me. I believe there are a lot of people out there who are in the same boat as me.

I've sampled all of them and so far the list below is what I'll probably be buying.

Batgirl
Green Lantern Corps
Green Lantern New Guardians
Green Lantern
Batman and Robin
Batman
Batman The Dark Knight
Captain Atom
Wonder Woman
Aquaman
I, Vampire
Superman
The Flash

The local comic store near my house is nice, but they sell out of stuff quick and don't get anything in fast enough, so I've been ordering from Midtown Comics' online store. Buying in bulk saves on shipping and whatnot.

Fugitoid Jones · 11-15-2011, 05:00 AM

Here's a list of the New DC books I'm keeping on my pull list:

Batman
Batman & Robin
Detective Comics
Batman: The Dark Knight
Superman
Action Comics
The Flash
Green Lantern
Green Lantern Corps
Justice League

And here's a list of the New DC books that I may stop buying due to lack of funds/fading interest:

Justice League International
Red Lanterns
Green Lantern: New Guardians

~~Leo656~~ · 01-12-2012, 12:24 AM

Checked out a few books here and there. I maintain this entire experiment is flawed, unnecessary, and more trouble than it's worth, although I liked a lot of Action Comics #1.

I was hoping they'd cave in and announce it was all an angle and after one year things would Un-Flashpoint themselves, but I doubt it since now they're saying things like it'll be at least issue 20 before they explain how Steel and Superboy's new origins fit in. Y'know, since they were so integral to the Death/Return Of Superman storyline, which DID still happen, but must have happened totally differently since Lois and Clark weren't engaged, there was no Eradicator or Matrix Supergirl, Lex wasn't posing as his own son, and since Steel apparently was around before any of this happened.

I love how when they "simplify" things for new readers they ruin it for everyone else. Y'know how they always promise these changes can fit within what we already know? Lies. All lies.

Villain · 01-18-2012, 02:30 PM

I'm going to be reading most of the Bat series. I have 1, 2 and 3 of Batman, Baman and Robin, Batman the Dark Knight, Batgirl and Detective comics all ready and waiting, it's just a matter of me getting around to reading them.

Metropoliskid41 · 01-19-2012, 03:12 PM

I'm reading 29 of the new books and have really been enjoying them. I think the top 5 series have to be Action Comics, Green Lantern, Batman, Animal Man, and Swamp Thing. Other really great books are Legion, All-Star Western, Resurrection Man, I Vampire, Flash, Green Lantern New Guardians, and Justice League.

I miss the old continuity, its sad to see it gone, but I really believe the whole thing was driven by the Seigel lawsuit over Superman rights, so I would rather see a totally rehashed from scratch Superman than no Superman at all. Other characters like Batman & Green Lantern have kept most of their continuity intact and escaped pretty much unscythed.

~~Leo656~~ · 01-22-2012, 02:27 AM

Yeah, but that just makes the Superman stuff even more jarring. Would I prefer any Superman over none at all? Obviously. Was there really anything wrong with the character (outside the lawsuit) that necessitated such a drastic series of changes? Not at all. Superman is like Hulk Hogan or pro wrestling in general: Never in style to begin with, so can never be out of style, those people who "get it" don't need any explanation and those who aren't into it never will be no matter what you do or say. All the Oscar-nominated films or stupid Kryptonian battle armor in the world ain't gonna change that.

For over 75 years, DC has never understood that you can't market Superman to people who aren't already believers. You just need to tell strong stories that appeal to the ones who are already fans. The reason the book doesn't sell more is because the fans generally don't think it's the best presentation of Superman, not because people in general don't like Superman as a character. The character as it's always been is fine, hokey costume and all, they just need to tell the stories fans actually want to read. Over 20 years (since Man Of Steel) before the "real" General Zod shows up in continuity? And then they retcon it? And they wonder why a billion people have Superman tattoos but the book only sells 100,000 copies...

*ZariusTwo* · 03-06-2012, 10:13 AM

Big news for Earth-2 Fans...there making the Golden Age heroes younger too.

*Andrew NDB* · 03-06-2012, 10:28 AM

Seems strange to me that there's no real oasis for pre-New 52 readers at DC. Earth-2 seemed like a natural place for the old guard to remain relatively intact and those old readers to get their fix while not messing with the regular DCU... you know, everybody wins? Guess not. And it strikes me as really weird that DC would willingly create multiple Earths at the beginning of a reboot... isn't that supposed to be the kind of thing that happens as time moves along to attempt to clean up/compartmentalize things that creep into continuity? It seems a little bit like intentionally driving the wrong way onto the freeway ramp.

James Robinson doesn't instill a lot of confidence, either... not in regard to the quality of his writing -- no, I like James -- but just given DC's track record with the DC New. There's no reason to expect there wouldn't be an announcement around #5 or #6 about "an exciting new creative team begins with #7!" or so.

And another thing... this doesn't strike anyone that literally, Earth-2 had JUST been recreated like two years beforehand?

Oh yeah, there's every reason to have confidence in the long term aspects of something like this...

~~Leo656~~ · 03-07-2012, 02:31 AM

Agreed. I still think Russo behind it. It's the most plausible explanation.

But yeah I feel like DC's message to me right now is "Ahhh, screw off you old fogey. Get on board with the new stuff or quit reading." Seriously.

Magneto · 03-07-2012, 02:44 AM

Looks like Billy's getting a new look, and a alter ego name change.

http://www.geeksofdoom.com/2012/03/0...at-dcs-shazam/

*Galactus* · 03-17-2012, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

Agreed. I still think Russo behind it. It's the most plausible explanation.

But yeah I feel like DC's message to me right now is "Ahhh, screw off you old fogey. Get on board with the new stuff or quit reading." Seriously.

Wasn't that the message readers must have had during the original Crisis On The Infinite Earths. From your posts you seem a fan of post crisis era so this kind of change is fine is fine and dandy as long as it's not your continuity being changed.

Not that I'm defending all the New 52 changes. Like you and Andrew I feel it's odd they would revamp Earth 2 so drasticaly, such things are why growing up I was more a Marvel man than DC but I've long accepted this is the way DC works from the original "Flash of Two Worlds" to "Zero Hour", to the Crisis to the other Crisis and the Crisis after that.

They'll eventualy restore things to "normal" but keep the post Flashpoint elements that have been commercialy successful or creatvely lauded.

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Originally Posted by Magneto

Looks like Billy's getting a new look, and a alter ego name change.

http://www.geeksofdoom.com/2012/03/0...at-dcs-shazam/

Truly terrible. So terrible I didn't even want the pic appearing on my post.

*Andrew NDB* · 03-17-2012, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

But yeah I feel like DC's message to me right now is "Ahhh, screw off you old fogey. Get on board with the new stuff or quit reading." Seriously.

I believe you're right. The sad part is, I think I may have to just go ahead and do the latter.

*ZariusTwo* · 03-18-2012, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Galactus

such things are why growing up I was more a Marvel man than DC

Can't see why. Marvel basicly insult their readers intelligence every chance they get.

*Galactus* · 03-18-2012, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Can't see why. Marvel basicly insult their readers intelligence every chance they get.

True but as kid it didn't seem that way.

Not to mention when I first started properly reading comics Marvel was a lot more straight forward and it was easy to get a sense of the history of my favourite books.

*ZariusTwo* · 05-01-2012, 04:51 PM

Preview of the new Earth-2 title.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/comics/...ies/54642260/1

Interesting to note Huntress began her career as Robin on this Earth, with Power Girl going by the name "Supergirl". There are of course heroes with those names in E1 so they adopt new identities whilst they are stranded there.

*Candy Kappa* · 05-01-2012, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Magneto

Looks like Billy's getting a new look, and a alter ego name change.

http://www.geeksofdoom.com/2012/03/0...at-dcs-shazam/

I really don't mind the name change, sure people lose the superiority nerd-moment of saying "Actually, his name is Captain Marvel, not Shazam."

the new looks, eeeehh... Not impressed

~~Leo656~~ · 05-15-2012, 02:40 AM

I liked Captain Marvel better, it's just a spiffy name. "SHAZAM" sounds like a Birthday clown by comparison, but I guess it's not terrible. I hate Marvel, all this mess just so they can keep their crappy, irrelevant Captain Marvel, who was only created as a big F*ck You" to DC in the first place. I don't care who filed first, DC owns the "real" character; I can't believe this crap's been going on since the 70s.

**Jester** · 05-15-2012, 03:24 AM

Well they are Marvel Comics, Leo...

I agree. It sucks. I kinda like the kid.

~~Leo656~~ · 05-16-2012, 04:25 AM

Yeah but the Shazam character was around long before Marvel Comics even existed. When DC announced their intentions in the 70s to bring Captain Marvel back, Marvel Comics rushed a character with the name into production just so they could claim the rights to the name. Which makes sense, but it's dirty pool and it was forever ago, and I for one thing they should just accede the name "Captain Marvel" to DC and be done with it already. He's a far more identifiable character than Marvel's version.

I admit to being 100% biased, but c'mon, who accepts that guy as the "real" Captain Marvel over "The Big Red Cheese"? It'd be like if Marvel forgot to renew the name "Fantastic 4" or something, DC snagged it up on the condition that they have to have a comic using that name, so they do their own "Fantastic 4", and Marvel is forced to re-brand their book "F4" but the team is still referred to by their proper name within the pages of the book. Both companies would be within their rights, but it would still be stupid and insulting to fans' intelligence.

I give way too much of a sh*t, I know.

11-15-2011, 05:00 AM	#63
Fugitoid Jones Stone Warrior Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: D'hoonib, VT Posts: 886	Here's a list of the New DC books I'm keeping on my pull list: Batman Batman & Robin Detective Comics Batman: The Dark Knight Superman Action Comics The Flash Green Lantern Green Lantern Corps Justice League And here's a list of the New DC books that I may stop buying due to lack of funds/fading interest: Justice League International Red Lanterns Green Lantern: New Guardians __________________ "You are right, I have always known about man. From the evidence, I believe his wisdom must walk hand and hand with his idiocy. His emotions must rule his brain. He must be a warlike creature who gives battle to everything around him, even himself." -Dr. Zaius

01-19-2012, 03:12 PM	#66
Metropoliskid41 Stone Warrior Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Tundra Posts: 886	I'm reading 29 of the new books and have really been enjoying them. I think the top 5 series have to be Action Comics, Green Lantern, Batman, Animal Man, and Swamp Thing. Other really great books are Legion, All-Star Western, Resurrection Man, I Vampire, Flash, Green Lantern New Guardians, and Justice League. I miss the old continuity, its sad to see it gone, but I really believe the whole thing was driven by the Seigel lawsuit over Superman rights, so I would rather see a totally rehashed from scratch Superman than no Superman at all. Other characters like Batman & Green Lantern have kept most of their continuity intact and escaped pretty much unscythed. __________________ -------------------

03-06-2012, 10:13 AM	#68
ZariusTwo Overlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Britain, DINO THUNDER...POWER UP! Posts: 22,491	Big news for Earth-2 Fans...there making the Golden Age heroes younger too. __________________ Spider-Man: The Rescue Spider-Man: The Galloping Cat Spider-Man: Scarlet Mirror Doctor Who: Child of the Daleks

03-06-2012, 10:28 AM	#69
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,551	Seems strange to me that there's no real oasis for pre-New 52 readers at DC. Earth-2 seemed like a natural place for the old guard to remain relatively intact and those old readers to get their fix while not messing with the regular DCU... you know, everybody wins? Guess not. And it strikes me as really weird that DC would willingly create multiple Earths at the beginning of a reboot... isn't that supposed to be the kind of thing that happens as time moves along to attempt to clean up/compartmentalize things that creep into continuity? It seems a little bit like intentionally driving the wrong way onto the freeway ramp. James Robinson doesn't instill a lot of confidence, either... not in regard to the quality of his writing -- no, I like James -- but just given DC's track record with the DC New. There's no reason to expect there wouldn't be an announcement around #5 or #6 about "an exciting new creative team begins with #7!" or so. And another thing... this doesn't strike anyone that literally, Earth-2 had JUST been recreated like two years beforehand? Oh yeah, there's every reason to have confidence in the long term aspects of something like this... __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

03-07-2012, 02:44 AM	#71
Magneto Foot Soldier Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Marvel Universe Posts: 173	Looks like Billy's getting a new look, and a alter ego name change. http://www.geeksofdoom.com/2012/03/0...at-dcs-shazam/ __________________

10-28-2011, 10:23 AM	#62
愛 Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 7,449	I'm in the crowd of "I've wanted to get into comics for a while but I'm not going to buy issue #539860376093 to start," so this reboot has been quite a blessing to me. I believe there are a lot of people out there who are in the same boat as me. I've sampled all of them and so far the list below is what I'll probably be buying. Batgirl Green Lantern Corps Green Lantern New Guardians Green Lantern Batman and Robin Batman Batman The Dark Knight Captain Atom Wonder Woman Aquaman I, Vampire Superman The Flash The local comic store near my house is nice, but they sell out of stuff quick and don't get anything in fast enough, so I've been ordering from Midtown Comics' online store. Buying in bulk saves on shipping and whatnot.

01-12-2012, 12:24 AM	#64
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Checked out a few books here and there. I maintain this entire experiment is flawed, unnecessary, and more trouble than it's worth, although I liked a lot of Action Comics #1. I was hoping they'd cave in and announce it was all an angle and after one year things would Un-Flashpoint themselves, but I doubt it since now they're saying things like it'll be at least issue 20 before they explain how Steel and Superboy's new origins fit in. Y'know, since they were so integral to the Death/Return Of Superman storyline, which DID still happen, but must have happened totally differently since Lois and Clark weren't engaged, there was no Eradicator or Matrix Supergirl, Lex wasn't posing as his own son, and since Steel apparently was around before any of this happened. I love how when they "simplify" things for new readers they ruin it for everyone else. Y'know how they always promise these changes can fit within what we already know? Lies. All lies.

01-18-2012, 02:30 PM	#65
Villain Random Punk Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Scotland, UK Posts: 29	I'm going to be reading most of the Bat series. I have 1, 2 and 3 of Batman, Baman and Robin, Batman the Dark Knight, Batgirl and Detective comics all ready and waiting, it's just a matter of me getting around to reading them.

01-22-2012, 02:27 AM	#67
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Yeah, but that just makes the Superman stuff even more jarring. Would I prefer any Superman over none at all? Obviously. Was there really anything wrong with the character (outside the lawsuit) that necessitated such a drastic series of changes? Not at all. Superman is like Hulk Hogan or pro wrestling in general: Never in style to begin with, so can never be out of style, those people who "get it" don't need any explanation and those who aren't into it never will be no matter what you do or say. All the Oscar-nominated films or stupid Kryptonian battle armor in the world ain't gonna change that. For over 75 years, DC has never understood that you can't market Superman to people who aren't already believers. You just need to tell strong stories that appeal to the ones who are already fans. The reason the book doesn't sell more is because the fans generally don't think it's the best presentation of Superman, not because people in general don't like Superman as a character. The character as it's always been is fine, hokey costume and all, they just need to tell the stories fans actually want to read. Over 20 years (since Man Of Steel) before the "real" General Zod shows up in continuity? And then they retcon it? And they wonder why a billion people have Superman tattoos but the book only sells 100,000 copies...

03-07-2012, 02:31 AM	#70
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Agreed. I still think Russo behind it. It's the most plausible explanation. But yeah I feel like DC's message to me right now is "Ahhh, screw off you old fogey. Get on board with the new stuff or quit reading." Seriously.

05-01-2012, 04:51 PM	#76
ZariusTwo Overlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Britain, DINO THUNDER...POWER UP! Posts: 22,491	Preview of the new Earth-2 title. http://www.usatoday.com/life/comics/...ies/54642260/1 Interesting to note Huntress began her career as Robin on this Earth, with Power Girl going by the name "Supergirl". There are of course heroes with those names in E1 so they adopt new identities whilst they are stranded there. __________________ Spider-Man: The Rescue Spider-Man: The Galloping Cat Spider-Man: Scarlet Mirror Doctor Who: Child of the Daleks

05-15-2012, 02:40 AM	#78
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I liked Captain Marvel better, it's just a spiffy name. "SHAZAM" sounds like a Birthday clown by comparison, but I guess it's not terrible. I hate Marvel, all this mess just so they can keep their crappy, irrelevant Captain Marvel, who was only created as a big F*ck You" to DC in the first place. I don't care who filed first, DC owns the "real" character; I can't believe this crap's been going on since the 70s.

05-15-2012, 03:24 AM	#79
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,301	Well they are Marvel Comics, Leo... I agree. It sucks. I kinda like the kid. __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

05-16-2012, 04:25 AM	#80
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Yeah but the Shazam character was around long before Marvel Comics even existed. When DC announced their intentions in the 70s to bring Captain Marvel back, Marvel Comics rushed a character with the name into production just so they could claim the rights to the name. Which makes sense, but it's dirty pool and it was forever ago, and I for one thing they should just accede the name "Captain Marvel" to DC and be done with it already. He's a far more identifiable character than Marvel's version. I admit to being 100% biased, but c'mon, who accepts that guy as the "real" Captain Marvel over "The Big Red Cheese"? It'd be like if Marvel forgot to renew the name "Fantastic 4" or something, DC snagged it up on the condition that they have to have a comic using that name, so they do their own "Fantastic 4", and Marvel is forced to re-brand their book "F4" but the team is still referred to by their proper name within the pages of the book. Both companies would be within their rights, but it would still be stupid and insulting to fans' intelligence. I give way too much of a sh*t, I know.