Cartoon characters designs

[Sage Ninja]

I think I agree with the sentiment that I liked the more detailed character designs of the 80's and 90's than the more stylized ones of today. Yeah sometimes they could be off but that was more to do with the animation not the actual character designs. Some of the the detail character designs were just visual eye candy, to the point that sometimes the animation errors flew under my radar.



look at the detail on Peter's face at when they do a close up of him at 4:34, I know alot of you would say that not a big deal but for some reason it is for me.



Look at the close up of Raphature face at 0:40 seconds singing into her microphone. Just awsome.

and I think detalied character designs can exist and still have smooth and fluid animation. Just look at Gargoyals that had very fluid animation and wonderfully detailed character designs with shadows and highlights.





just look at the close ups of the faces and all the movements.

I also find it interesting some of the better animated with detailed character desgins were animated over seas in Japan.

I'm not saying that the characters designs aren't as good now, it better quality animation now but I think I prefere more detail of yester year over the more stylized ones now. And with the advancements in technology they have now I bet that cartoons could have the detailed characters designs they used to have back then with out all the animation errors if they wanted to. It's just easier now I guess to go the simple route, and in a way thats a shame.

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by ThePickleweed

c'mon now, animation had been around since the 30's and the stuff out of warner and disney back in the 50's SMOKED the 80's cartoons in animation quality.

Im sorry, but I disagree, Ive seen 50's Loony Tunes and Ive seen 80's Thundercats, these two I am most familiar with, but I have to say 80's thunder cats were far better, Thunder-cats had character detail, it had fast paced Fight scenes. 50's Looney Tunes is less complex to design and draw It is so much easier and less time consuming to draw a slap-stick cartoon like Loony Tunes. This is like comparing Krillan from DBZ and Goku Super-Sayan in terms of difficulty.

yes I went there

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by Redeemer

Im sorry, but I disagree, Ive seen 50's Loony Tunes and Ive seen 80's Thundercats, these two I am most familiar with, but I have to say 80's thunder cats were far better, Thunder-cats had character detail, it had fast paced Fight scenes. 50's Looney Tunes is less complex to design and draw It is so much easier and less time consuming to draw a slap-stick cartoon like Loony Tunes. This is like comparing Krillan from DBZ and Goku Super-Sayan in terms of difficulty.

Stop talking, Redeemer. Please.

[SherlockJr]

Originally Posted by Redeemer

Im sorry, but I disagree, Ive seen 50's Loony Tunes and Ive seen 80's Thundercats, these two I am most familiar with, but I have to say 80's thunder cats were far better, Thunder-cats had character detail, it had fast paced Fight scenes. 50's Looney Tunes is less complex to design and draw It is so much easier and less time consuming to draw a slap-stick cartoon like Loony Tunes. This is like comparing Krillan from DBZ and Goku Super-Sayan in terms of difficulty.

yes I went there

Have to disagree. Just because it's a slapstick cartoon doesn't mean it's any easier to draw. There was a lot of artistry even in the classic Looney Tunes shorts-- look at something like What's Opera, Doc and compare it to any TV animation from the 1980s. No contest in terms of animation quality.

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by SherlockJr

Have to disagree. Just because it's a slapstick cartoon doesn't mean it's any easier to draw. There was a lot of artistry even in the classic Looney Tunes shorts-- look at something like What's Opera, Doc and compare it to any TV animation from the 1980s. No contest in terms of animation quality.

So true, Sherlock, so very true.

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by SherlockJr

Have to disagree. Just because it's a slapstick cartoon doesn't mean it's any easier to draw. There was a lot of artistry even in the classic Looney Tunes shorts-- look at something like What's Opera, Doc and compare it to any TV animation from the 1980s. No contest in terms of animation quality.

My bad, slapstick is the wrong word I guess, What I am trying to say is that I don't think Looney Tunes is nearly as difficult in terms of drawing or animating, but that just my opinion. The reason behind my thinking is mostly bc of the lack of detail compared to Thunder-cats, mind u I am strictly comparing these two, bc I am most familiar with these two. Also the action scenes in Thunder-cats is more complicated than a boulder falling on someone in Looney Tunes.

Again these are strictly my opinions and I was jst comparing Looney Tunes and Thunder-Cats

[Candy Kappa]

someone saying the old Thundercats was well animated?

quick wheres the JJ Jameson's "you serious" clip?

honestly, the intro was well animated. rest of the show.... Oh boy it's bad. Or is it another instance of mixing design with animation?

[ThePickleweed]

Originally Posted by Redeemer

My bad, slapstick is the wrong word I guess, What I am trying to say is that I don't think Looney Tunes is nearly as difficult in terms of drawing or animating, but that just my opinion. The reason behind my thinking is mostly bc of the lack of detail compared to Thunder-cats, mind u I am strictly comparing these two, bc I am most familiar with these two. Also the action scenes in Thunder-cats is more complicated than a boulder falling on someone in Looney Tunes.

Again these are strictly my opinions and I was jst comparing Looney Tunes and Thunder-Cats

and im telling you that thats wrong. and thats not an opinion. looney tunes were drawn with depth and volume that remained consistent and on model throughout, even when doing exaggerated movements. there seems to be some confusion on detail vs difficulty and its not one to one. its harder to draw daffy volumetrically through the range of motion he exhibits vs copying the model sheet from the 3 angles they shoot he-man from.

i wonder how many people arguing for against looney tunes are actually capable of drawing or animating well?

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

someone saying the old Thundercats was well animated?

quick wheres the JJ Jameson's "you serious" clip?

honestly, the intro was well animated. rest of the show.... Oh boy it's bad. Or is it another instance of mixing design with animation?

Really??? I watched the old Thunder-cats in a marathon in celebration of the new series on Cartoon Network, I only watch about the first 5 eps or so, but they all looked pretty solid.

I was speaking design wise also, I was talking about animation. I was born in the early 90's so I am not too familiar with older cartoons, but I have seen a few of the old thunder-cats show and a lot of the Looney Tunes. Again I jst think the design is better, not speaking in terms of fluid animation.

Oh and Asshole above me I am capable of drawing to a degree, not the best, better than the average person

[ThePickleweed]

Originally Posted by Redeemer

Oh and Asshole above me I am capable of drawing to a degree, not the best, better than the average person

wow, someone got sensitive. people who dont know how to draw, sorry to say, tend to not understand the difficulties of drawing something they think LOOKS simple. just like i wouldn't weigh in on the difficulties of neurosurgery vs spinal surgery.....cause ya know, im not a doctor.

if you like the designs better, whatever, youre entitled to your opinion, and thats fine. im saying your claim that looney tunes were somehow simpler to draw and animate is flatly wrong. no need to get butthurt about it.

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by ThePickleweed

wow, someone got sensitive. people who dont know how to draw, sorry to say, tend to not understand the difficulties of drawing something they think LOOKS simple. just like i wouldn't weigh in on the difficulties of neurosurgery vs spinal surgery.....cause ya know, im not a doctor.

if you like the designs better, whatever, youre entitled to your opinion, and thats fine. im saying your claim that looney tunes were somehow simpler to draw and animate is flatly wrong. no need to get butthurt about it.

LoL what ever jst stating ur comment was asinine I do draw a lot, I was also taught a little about animation in school, Ive worked with photoshop with my sketches before. My main reason in thinking that Loony Tunes is easier to draw and animate is bc of less detail, simpler formula for character design, and also the more simplistic the design is on a character usually the easier and faster it is to draw.

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by ThePickleweed

wow, someone got sensitive. people who dont know how to draw, sorry to say, tend to not understand the difficulties of drawing something they think LOOKS simple. just like i wouldn't weigh in on the difficulties of neurosurgery vs spinal surgery.....cause ya know, im not a doctor.

if you like the designs better, whatever, youre entitled to your opinion, and thats fine. im saying your claim that looney tunes were somehow simpler to draw and animate is flatly wrong. no need to get butthurt about it.

You're new here, so I'm just going to help you out...don't argue with Redeemer, there's no point. He's a kid with opinions and no way to back them up. Just ignore him.

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by Peanut

You're new here, so I'm just going to help you out...don't argue with Redeemer, there's no point. He's a kid with opinions and no way to back them up. Just ignore him.

Lol technically an adult. Im sorry to break it to you, but Generally on a forum ur suppose to exchange ideas and information with other member, not force ur ideology down there throat.

[Vader]

Originally Posted by Redeemer

Lol technically an adult. Im sorry to break it to you, but Generally on a forum ur suppose to exchange ideas and information with other member, not force ur ideology down there throat.

Maybe you should spell and write out your sentences like an ''adult''.

[Jester]

These guys did awesome work in the 30s. I'd take a Fleischer cartoon over almost anything.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Jester

These guys did awesome work in the 30s. I'd take a Fleischer cartoon over almost anything.

Right on. Their Superman cartoons were awesome.

[Sage Ninja]

I guess we can just chalk it all up to character designs have just gotten lazy over the years?

[Peanut]

...No? Have you read anything anyone has said in this thread at all?

[Sage Ninja]

dude what is your problem? All I have been reading is opinions that have gone back and forth, not experts on cartoon character designs. If anything, inconclusive beyond someones personal preference.

[Peanut]

Woof! I'm out of here!