New Movie Postponed... Release date pushed to May 2014 - Page 6

*Andrew NDB* · 06-17-2012, 01:16 PM

There is a "Phantom of the Opera" quality to the Turtles, stemming from the outsiders/outcasts/freaks thing. You know, always living beneath a city and population that can and will never embrace them and, at poignant moments, them (or at least the audience) kind of being made soberingly aware of that. That should never be like the driving focus of any Turtle movie or iteration (at its core, we want to see four ninja brothers kicking ass and, sure, occasionally joking around), but it absolutely shouldn't be shied away from either.

*Drose18* · 06-17-2012, 01:49 PM

IKR when are we gonna get more news?!?!?

*The Stryker* · 06-17-2012, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by raphroehler2003

Well actually, there CAN be a deeper meaning to Ninja Turtles, it's just they won't do it..

How about the fact that you have 4 brothers who are true outsiders...they will never know the joy of, say, falling in love...or having a kid...or having the 'white picket fence life'....having a family of any kind, or a future for their species...anytime they would try to show their face, they'd be called a freak, or a monster, and get someone to capture and dissect them.

Even heroes like Iron Man, Batman, Spider-Man, and X-Men...they still are, or at least LOOK, human (again, for the most part, I know there's a few X-Men who don't)...so they can still go out, get girlfriends, go to the mall, etc. without worrying about being caught, killed, and more.

Even if one of them for some reason did fall in love with a human, it'd never work out and it'd be a tragic story from the start. And of top of that, even their ostracized life is Further problematic with the various new enemies they gain, or when they get hurt they can't just 'go to the hospital', or even the simple fact that they got to live in disease-infested sewers for most of their lives...

So they can be deep...

You can make a goddamn cupcake deep if you stretch as much as you did and put in elements that are only brought up by overthinking fans.

Turtles longing to fall in love and not being able to. Who the hell carrrreeesss. Fanfiction writers.

Bob · 06-17-2012, 03:53 PM

I don't mind a bit of depth here and there, but too much will run the risk of turning TMNT into something it was never intended to be in the first place.

*Koi* · 06-17-2012, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by raphroehler2003

Paramount has pulled the plug on the Jonathan Liebesman-helmed reboot of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, pushing its release back indefinitely... and, no, it's not for 3D post-conversion and/or more Channing Tatum.

How is Channing Tatum connected with TMNT? Did I miss something?

*Andrew NDB* · 06-17-2012, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob

I don't mind a bit of depth here and there, but too much will run the risk of turning TMNT into something it was never intended to be in the first place.

Oh, TMNT in the mass media crossed that bridge a long, long time ago.

Ramboraph4life aka Matt · 06-17-2012, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Koi

How is Channing Tatum connected with TMNT? Did I miss something?

That was a knock against Paramount also postponing GI Joe 2, for 3D conversion and for adding more of Channing Tatum (they killed him off at the beginning, but now they're reshooting some stuff so he's in it more).

*Xav* · 06-17-2012, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Koi

How is Channing Tatum connected with TMNT? Did I miss something?

He's not, it's referring to GI Joe 2, were a rumor is they pushed back the film to add more Channing Tatum scenes.

*Donnie* · 06-17-2012, 05:03 PM

How is anybody going to say Avengers wasn't deep? The characters struggled through real adversary and near-death to reach their goals, conquering issues within themselves while saving humanity.

That's deep.

Turtles can have the same deepness. Period. It's the challenged fans that spew when they hear that new TMNT stuff will be OT based because "that's what made the Turtles popular"...please. Give it up.

*The Stryker* · 06-17-2012, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Michelangelo

How is anybody going to say Avengers wasn't deep? The characters struggled through real adversary and near-death to reach their goals, conquering issues within themselves while saving humanity.

That's deep.

Turtles can have the same deepness. Period.

It wasn't deep. There was no deep study on the inner workings of character's minds or any intelligent commentary on any kind of real issue. By your standards EVERY movie is deep.

Avengers didn't need to be anything more than it was. It was a very entertaining super hero movie. It's ok to accept things for what they are.

I love Professional Wrestling. I know it's f*cking dumb and always will be. No matter how 'good' someone does it. I'm not going around acting like it's some brilliantly written piece of literature with rich characters. I don't need to validate my fandom by pretending its something it isn't.

C'mon son. It's Ninja Turtles. I love it but let's not oversell it.

*Cure* · 06-17-2012, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Michelangelo

How is anybody going to say Avengers wasn't deep? The characters struggled through real adversary and near-death to reach their goals, conquering issues within themselves while saving humanity.

That's deep.

Hahahaha, oh man. Your definition of deep is a bit skewed.

Freeman · 06-17-2012, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Stryker

I love Professional Wrestling. I know it's f*cking dumb and always will be. No matter how 'good' someone does it. I'm not going around acting like it's some brilliantly written piece of literature with rich characters. I don't need to validate my fandom by pretending its something it isn't.

C'mon son. It's Ninja Turtles. I love it but let's not oversell it.

I take my hat off. I really agree that everything must be judged as what it really is and not according to our personal dream ideals. I also enjoy WWE sometimes and I go to yoyo competitions, but I don't see myself as the next Tony Hawk of yoyoing. And Tony Hawk only has a skateboard, nothing more.

I'd like to see a Ninja Turtles movie "a la" Batman Dark Knight, not negating the comic fictional root of them but puting them on a less comedian and more contempory frame. But it would still be and action film adaptation of some cool comic characters.

**Jester** · 06-17-2012, 07:45 PM

Maybe by "deep" I tend to think nuanced. The first movie by Barron has lots of little details and nuances that make it more than the some of it's parts...if you take the time to look at it.

And as for the Turtles questioning their own mortality and how they can never have a normal life, that's not fan fiction, that's this.

*Donatello19* · 06-17-2012, 08:13 PM

I bet they put it on hold because of that short clip that michael bay released about the turtles being aliens. everyone freaked out because of that one word. "Alien". I think what he meant though is that the Ooze that the turtles got mutated from is from an alien race.

*Mr.Turtle* · 06-17-2012, 10:53 PM

they always postpone...

CrazySquirrel · 06-18-2012, 02:57 AM

Well I guess if they are bothering to try to improve it by pushing the movie back I can deal with it. Hopefully it ends up being better for it. I was worried it was cancelled.

Archon_Turtle · 06-18-2012, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Stryker

It wasn't deep. There was no deep study on the inner workings of character's minds or any intelligent commentary on any kind of real issue. By your standards EVERY movie is deep.

Avengers didn't need to be anything more than it was. It was a very entertaining super hero movie. It's ok to accept things for what they are.

But...shawarma!

*Jephael* · 06-18-2012, 09:38 AM

At this point I could care less when the new movie comes out. As long as there's any iteration of the TMNT, be it a comic book, cartoon series or even a Broadway play I'll be happy!

thelouisguy · 06-18-2012, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Jephael

At this point I could care less when the new movie comes out. As long as there's any iteration of the TMNT, be it a comic book, cartoon series or even a Broadway play I'll be happy!

Broadway would be interested...

*Cipher* · 06-18-2012, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Michelangelo

How is anybody going to say Avengers wasn't deep? The characters struggled through real adversary and near-death to reach their goals, conquering issues within themselves while saving humanity.

That's deep.

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I ...

Hmm ...

We have had deep Turtles fiction before. But its numbers include "City at War" and a handful of Mirage's more reflective or indie-styled pieces, and that's about it. No one should hold out for anything like that. The most we can reasonably hope for is a competently done action movie, which the 2007 film wasn't, and which many, many franchise-based initiatives within the last few years have failed to be as well. Not sure if holding the script back bodes well or not for moving in a positive direction.

06-17-2012, 01:16 PM	#101
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,506	There is a "Phantom of the Opera" quality to the Turtles, stemming from the outsiders/outcasts/freaks thing. You know, always living beneath a city and population that can and will never embrace them and, at poignant moments, them (or at least the audience) kind of being made soberingly aware of that. That should never be like the driving focus of any Turtle movie or iteration (at its core, we want to see four ninja brothers kicking ass and, sure, occasionally joking around), but it absolutely shouldn't be shied away from either. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

06-17-2012, 07:45 PM	#113
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,298	Maybe by "deep" I tend to think nuanced. The first movie by Barron has lots of little details and nuances that make it more than the some of it's parts...if you take the time to look at it. And as for the Turtles questioning their own mortality and how they can never have a normal life, that's not fan fiction, that's this. __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

06-17-2012, 10:53 PM	#115
Mr.Turtle Mad Scientist Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North America Posts: 1,652	they always postpone... __________________ Last edited by Mr.Turtle; 06-17-2012 at 11:03 PM.

06-18-2012, 09:38 AM	#118
Jephael That whack job behind you Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania Posts: 8,143	At this point I could care less when the new movie comes out. As long as there's any iteration of the TMNT, be it a comic book, cartoon series or even a Broadway play I'll be happy! __________________ "I like it. Simple, but effective!" Raphael; The Mean Machines - 1988

06-17-2012, 01:49 PM	#102
Drose18 The Catalina Wine Mixer Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,865	IKR when are we gonna get more news?!?!?

06-17-2012, 03:53 PM	#104
Bob Stone Warrior Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: UK, England Posts: 546	I don't mind a bit of depth here and there, but too much will run the risk of turning TMNT into something it was never intended to be in the first place.

06-17-2012, 05:03 PM	#109
Donnie Something from the Past Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: New York Posts: 3,256	How is anybody going to say Avengers wasn't deep? The characters struggled through real adversary and near-death to reach their goals, conquering issues within themselves while saving humanity. That's deep. Turtles can have the same deepness. Period. It's the challenged fans that spew when they hear that new TMNT stuff will be OT based because "that's what made the Turtles popular"...please. Give it up.

06-17-2012, 08:13 PM	#114
Donatello19 Merchandise Maniac Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: New York Posts: 5,919	I bet they put it on hold because of that short clip that michael bay released about the turtles being aliens. everyone freaked out because of that one word. "Alien". I think what he meant though is that the Ooze that the turtles got mutated from is from an alien race.

06-18-2012, 02:57 AM	#116
CrazySquirrel Foot Soldier Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 147	Well I guess if they are bothering to try to improve it by pushing the movie back I can deal with it. Hopefully it ends up being better for it. I was worried it was cancelled.