New Movie Postponed... Release date pushed to May 2014

[RaphTMNT]

**** Outta Here

[Donnie]

Originally Posted by RaphTMNT

**** Outta Here

LMAO yes. Yes.

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Swell "gesture" on a forum kids might be reading pal.

I am sorry kids!

Originally Posted by Stryker

Right. Because playing video games makes you a giant nerd and a loser but wanting to dress up as a ninja turtle with a children's halloween set when you're a grown person.... Well that's just the coolest thing anyone can ever do!

To each his own man, but yea, I'd say that's cooler than being glued to a computer, XBOX or TV with a pants tent.

Another example of someone that know's he has nothing. STILL not adding anything to your argument. Just getting mad and trying to call people movie critics as some sort of insult. Thanks? We have views on movies.....what monsters. Keep on going son. Tell us more on how a movie like Commando is deep and thought provoking.

Weenies. Really now.

Haha I rather liked weenies. Is it even worth going into an example with you, though? I really don't think what I say is going to shift your opinion, just like what you say probably won't shift mine. But for argument's sake, Loki in particular rather than the heroes (save perhaps Iron Man) had some deep moments. He's struggling with this whole self-righteousness conflict while being basically mind-f*cked by Thanos and his advisor. You can see all the moments in Hiddleston's face (he's such a sick actor) when he knows Thor is genuine and trying to get through to him, you can see Loki battling through his past feelings and betraying Thor again and again. To me, that's a deep (intense) inner conflict that everybody can relate to in some sort of way.

Not that what I just said is going to change your opinion. But, since you keep calling me out on (deliberately) not giving you an example there it is.

Originally Posted by PAAATE

So that's what society jokes about? Huh! Well, then... Society this!

Hahaha, oh, the good times we're having...

Yeah now you're catching on!

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by TheBlueTurtle1

I hope they carry on with a movie. Do the have to have an origins at the start of the movie. I think They should just dive right in. We all know they are teenage mutant ninja frogs that mutated from ooze.

Cool, does that mean we get a Shredder who "really is a nice person?"

[Donnie]

I'd agree that another origin story for us long time fans seems redundant, but IDW pulled it off pretty well and if the origin has a new twist in the film I wouldn't mind it - as long as it didn't detract too much from the main story-line.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Michelangelo

I'd agree that another origin story for us long time fans seems redundant, but IDW pulled it off pretty well

No they didnt.

[Slap-Happy]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

No they didnt.

[Cipher]

I probably shouldn't be touching this thread again with a ten-foot pole, and it definitely has nothing to do with the movie being postponed anymore, but ...

Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genre_fiction
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literary_fiction

That's pretty basic, but there are two distinct categories of fiction critics and writers use to distinguish the goals and styles of certain pieces. And it's not all that subjective. Essentially, you have "genre" fiction (your basic action movie/story, romance, sci-fi, fantasy, etc.) which prioritizes entertainment over art and theme. And then you have "literary" fiction, which prioritizes art and theme over entertainment.

Usually, it's pretty black and white. Genre fiction definitely has a message most of the time, since it's a basic component of story-telling. But if the art isn't the main draw, if there's a sequence in it that serves no other purpose than spectacle and entertainment (watching things go boom, etc.), it's genre.

There are plenty of stories that blur the line however, using elements normally associated with genre fiction to tell a literary story. (And conversely, there are shows, movies and books that purport to have some higher goal but really only ever display vapid entertainment.) This is kind of subjective, and often times how successful it is matters more than the intent to do so in the first place. But I think a handful of TMNT comics do cross over successfully.

But do some more Googling on "literary vs. genre fiction" if you want to brush up on how real writers and critics have for a long while categorized the depth and artistry of fiction.

Now ... why the **** are we still talking about this?

[Donnie]

Originally Posted by Slap-Happy

THE DUDE

THE DUDE. Yes.

Originally Posted by Cipher

Now ... why the **** are we still talking about this?

It has spiraled into a sh*t-storm indeed, but I think your level headed post at least for me is welcomed, actually informative, and refreshing. Thanks!

[Freeman]

As the "Avengers is deep" spin-off of this topic is being allowed, I think I'm going to give my point too.

Avengers is many things: it's entertaining, it's got some nice jokes, it's full of action... But the plot is expected, characters fight each other for very stupid reasons and for no reasons at all they stick together all of a sudden. And they win.

I'll put a simil for you Michelangelo. Karate Kid (the old one) is one of my favourite films ever. It's got karate, a weak kid trying to fit in a new school in a different city far away from his friends, a struggle with parents decissions affecting the main characters life, the overpressure an unbalanced sport trainer figure can have on influenceable teens, a silent karate master teaching how not fighting is sometimes the most wise decision... But still is not "deep" because the bulling over the main character is naive, the love story is predictible, the main character has a bad script and a terrible acting, ...

There are things in the movie I like and enjoy, but I can see it's weaknesses and I can fairly judge that it's not deep.

Is good to admit when we have gone too far. And you have. Simply admit you over valued the film even you still like it, as simple as that.

Dogville is deep.

[The Stryker]

Originally Posted by Michelangelo

To each his own man, but yea, I'd say that's cooler than being glued to a computer, XBOX or TV with a pants tent.

Because these 'pants tents' are totally acceptable when you're pretending to be leonardo when you have a few hours alone at home. OK THEN. Keep thinking that bro. I can't believe there are people out there that are into that whole 'video games are for big losers' thing.

It's doubly dumbfounding when you're sitting there talking about dressing up like a ninja turtle.

Originally Posted by Michelangelo

Haha I rather liked weenies. Is it even worth going into an example with you, though? I really don't think what I say is going to shift your opinion, just like what you say probably won't shift mine. But for argument's sake, Loki in particular rather than the heroes (save perhaps Iron Man) had some deep moments. He's struggling with this whole self-righteousness conflict while being basically mind-f*cked by Thanos and his advisor. You can see all the moments in Hiddleston's face (he's such a sick actor) when he knows Thor is genuine and trying to get through to him, you can see Loki battling through his past feelings and betraying Thor again and again. To me, that's a deep (intense) inner conflict that everybody can relate to in some sort of way.

Not that what I just said is going to change your opinion. But, since you keep calling me out on (deliberately) not giving you an example there it is.

That's just one character though and all of his development was done in Thor. Every character in that movie had development ELSEWHERE. Avengers was just the big event where they all came together.

I would say that Loki actually regressed as a character in Avengers. Becoming the comic "TEE-HEE I'M GONNA GET THAT THOR." throughout most of the movie.

Again, never said that you couldn't have an opinion. Just saying that the reasons you stated for the movie being 'deep' didn't make a lot of sense and practically put every single action movie ever released on the same platform.

[Mr.Turtle]

avenger is quite cool, i don't buy thor, its stupid!

[Whitewolf89]

Originally Posted by Cure

Hm, oh well. As long as it makes for a good movie, I don't mind.

I would tend to agree. Maybe with this new delay, it will give them time to work on the script more, and make it WAY better.

(And maybe, IF we're real lucky, they find someone else besides Bay to producer it (or whatever he's doing that connects him with it). Maybe.)

[Mr.Turtle]

no matter the scripts good or bad, they always delay...

[Donnie]

Originally Posted by Stryker

Because these 'pants tents' are totally acceptable when you're pretending to be leonardo when you have a few hours alone at home. OK THEN. Keep thinking that bro. I can't believe there are people out there that are into that whole 'video games are for big losers' thing.

It's doubly dumbfounding when you're sitting there talking about dressing up like a ninja turtle.

Yea, bra! Honestly don't care about what you think bout dressing up as a Turtle (which I do for Cons) - I like having fun in life, don't know about you. I don't think video games are for losers, but the amount of time I've seen you troll here + b*tch about video games and how the Batman games wouldn't work on a Turtles platform because blah blah blah I'd assume you'd spend most of your time attached to a TV, while I only spend a fraction of time at a Con dressed as a Turtle.

Whateeeeev, why are we attacking eachother's personal priorities again? I almost forgot at this point. It's silly. Let's just agree to disagree.

That's just one character though and all of his development was done in Thor. Every character in that movie had development ELSEWHERE. Avengers was just the big event where they all came together.

I would say that Loki actually regressed as a character in Avengers. Becoming the comic "TEE-HEE I'M GONNA GET THAT THOR." throughout most of the movie.

I agree that Loki got most of his development in Thor, but to me, he's still a "deep" character in Avengers, save when he gets raped by Hulk.

Again, never said that you couldn't have an opinion. Just saying that the reasons you stated for the movie being 'deep' didn't make a lot of sense and practically put every single action movie ever released on the same platform.

Again, can we just agree to disagree? This argument has become a brutal beating of a dead horse.

[Bob]

I thought this would happen. As we all know Paramount have set a new release date of 16th May 2014, which was the same day as Marvel’s untitled film. I don’t know if anyone has been reading up on any movie news lately, but it’s been pretty much confirmed that that untitled film is Guardians of the Galaxy. There was no way in the world two studios would release two such potential big films on the same day, so one of them was always going to move.

And it’s not Ninja Turtles. That’s staying put……for now.

The Marvel film has moved to August. Guess Marvel and Disney blinked first.

[chozo_ninpo]

Originally Posted by source

The move comes as analysts have been knocking Viacom's Nickelodeon division for lower ratings.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...turtles-338301

So basically, they're mentioning the poor ratings of the nick tmnt show as a factor in this.

Gone forever now?

[shezcrafti]

Originally Posted by chozo_ninpo

So basically, they're mentioning the poor ratings of the nick tmnt show as a factor in this.

Gone forever now?

That's not what the article says; unless I'm misunderstanding something.

Is this the blurb you're referring to?

Analysts have been knocking Viacom's Nickelodeon division for lower ratings. The Ninja Turtles project, a joint Paramount-Nickelodeon production, was eyed as a chance to bolster Nickelodeon as well as reboot a family film franchise. The studio had paid a hefty sum for rights to the property, which had been the basis for three hit movies for New Line Cinema in the 1990s.


If so they're talking about the upcoming movie, not the Nick series.

[Koi]

I keep hearing this movie is canceled. Is it? I have no clue.

[Genesis]

Originally Posted by Koi

I keep hearing this movie is canceled. Is it? I have no clue.

Indefinitely delayed. Better?

[Bob]

Originally Posted by Koi

I keep hearing this movie is canceled. Is it? I have no clue.

Originally Posted by Genesis

Indefinitely delayed. Better?

To answer both of you, the initial article from the Hollywood Reporter did indeed use the word "indefinite" to describe the delay, but then Deadline Hollywood and Variety both chimed in later on in the day stating that it was a delay of 10 weeks and that Paramount has already set a new release date. After that, the original article from the Hollywood Reporter was updated. This is what Variety put in their article on the matter:

The shutdown is not indefinite and the plan is to work on the script over the next couple of weeks in order to beef up the material and bring the budget down slightly.

Studios don’t set a new release date for something that's delayed indefinitely or cancelled. Other movie blog websites are just conveniently ignoring the update, and the Variety and Deadline Hollywood articles, which are very different to the Hollywood Reporter article that originally broke the news.

So, as of now, officially it is still going on. It certainly hasn’t been “cancelled”, despite what a lot of junk blogger websites are saying. They either can't read, or are just ignoring the facts to fit in with their own biased perceptions. Probably the latter.

Here are the Variety and Deadline Hollywood articles, as well as the original (but now updated) Hollywood Reporter article:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...turtles-338301

http://www.deadline.com/2012/06/para...es-start-date/

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118055564

If people are really interested in legitimate movie news straight from the studios, then these are the only three websites worth paying attention to.