El Mayimbe Of Latino Review Apparently Has The TMNT Script

[Candy Kappa]

As long as it's engaging the audience and make them emote with the heroes that the challenges they are facing are a threat to then in their own world and context, it can still be goofy.

[Logan]

Did that eye ever serve any purpose? I have no recollection of it doing anything.

I think it would be cool to have it in a movie. I'd like a faithful film of the Mirage comics, but having the OT translated to live action would be in second place for me. I love them both and I'm unashamed of it.

[Xav]

It was it's weak point in the first video game.

[Ninjinister]

Does this have to be perma-embedded on every damn page of this site? COME ON GUYS Our passion for the Turtles should be bringing us together, not putting us at each other's throats.

[Cryomancer]

Why can't we have a "thinking man's" TMNT movie that also has fantastic elements?

Mirage has the turtles in space by issue 5, so I have never once bought this "must only be new york alleys and sewers at all times" line of thinking. I'd sure as hell go see a movie version of the Fugitoid arc.

[Donnie]

Originally Posted by Cryomancer

Why can't we have a "thinking man's" TMNT movie that also has fantastic elements?

Mirage has the turtles in space by issue 5, so I have never once bought this "must only be new york alleys and sewers at all times" line of thinking. I'd sure as hell go see a movie version of the Fugitoid arc.

Absolutely!

[TMNT is cooler than MOTU]

Judging by the number of followers he has, I don't think his little bribe worked.

[Mr.Turtle]

it's fun to cut each others throat sometimes.

[PAAATE]

Originally Posted by Mr.Turtle

it's fun to cut each others throat sometimes.

Heheh, yeah, it sure i... wait, WHAT!?

[Bob]

Originally Posted by TMNT is cooler than MOTU

Judging by the number of followers he has, I don't think his little bribe worked.

He’s a bit of an idiot, really. He’s not some celebrity. He’s never going to get 10k followers. Guess we won’t be seeing a review. It’s a pretty childish thing what he’s done, basically screaming out “I have the TMNT script”, but then refusing to say anything more.

[Donnie]

Originally Posted by Bob

He’s a bit of an idiot, really. He’s not some celebrity. He’s never going to get 10k followers. Guess we won’t be seeing a review. It’s a pretty childish thing what he’s done, basically screaming out “I have the TMNT script”, but then refusing to say anything more.

Yeah. Only thing I don't understand is usually PD, Nick, Bay, and those involved with the film have been awfully hush-hush about the whole thing, and then some tool comes on Twitter giving away pretty big spoilers, and isn't told to take them down. Even Kid Cudi didn't tweet spoilers.

So it makes you wonder if this guy is maybe blowing our horns because of his reputation. You never know.

[Mr.Turtle]

i think he just want some attention frm the public thats all...

[Bob]

Originally Posted by Michelangelo

Yeah. Only thing I don't understand is usually PD, Nick, Bay, and those involved with the film have been awfully hush-hush about the whole thing, and then some tool comes on Twitter giving away pretty big spoilers, and isn't told to take them down. Even Kid Cudi didn't tweet spoilers.

So it makes you wonder if this guy is maybe blowing our horns because of his reputation. You never know.

I don't doubt his sincerity. To be fair, he's always on the level when it comes to things like this. I just don't see why it’s different this time. For example, he posted a review of the script to the first Transformers film nearly a whole year before the finished film came out, so I don't see the difference. As I said, I just think he’s being a bit childish this time, showing his apparent “superiority” by demanding a ridiculous number of followers that he knows he’s not going to get. Its just his way of saying “I’m in the know and you’re not”.

[marcelangelo]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

An intelligent TMNT movie? That would imply the comics are by any stretch of the imagination deep and intelligent to begin with. Reality check: There not.

The first TMNT issue is a generic, flavourless bloodbath for rednecks too cheap to read Frank Miller Daredevil. The first movie took an already dopey concept, took some traits from the cartoon and poured it into a half-way decent journeyman film which satisfies on more than one level...but unfortunatly, for you, that isnt enough, you feel TMNT should be entitled to a film that makes it look better than the sum of it's parts (probably in some vien attempt to proclaim to the world "I like TMNT" without dying of embarrasment). The day you stop living in that elitist fantasy world and start accepting TMNT for what it is in the mainstream is the day you can actually enjoy a movie based on it's more fantastical aspects.

Nobody goes to a TMNT movie to think.

Quite frankly, setting yourself up to hate the movie just because they will say "cowabunga" and have Mikey act stupid is assanine. This is how the world, and how the CREATORS, have viewed the Turtles for years, it's become part of their mythology now. Nobody cares about how they used to act in the BLAND OLD DAYS. The TMNT movie YOU want would BOMB at the Box Office. Guranteed. Kids wouldnt be able to see it, and adult fans would just find it outright BORING due to it's absurd groundedness and lack of any imaginitive quirks.



15 years+ past, and yet what do the mainstream constantly yammer about when it comes to a TMNT movie? "Where's Krang? Where's Bebop and Rocksteady? Where's The Technodrome?", and we've yet to get them in live-action, so we havent yet had our fun where that's concerned. That experiance is needed to complete their nostalgic fanboy journey. Just because YOU and the MIRAGE minority don't want to see things from the old cartoon realized in grander ways doesnt mean you speak for the world, who DO hold on to the show for many reasons, and who DO want to see them in action.

You know why you don't get jack? The MIRAGE stuff IS NOT VERY INTERESTING. Adapting the best of it could only fill up about two seasons of the seven year 4Kids series, which sensibly chose to AVOID being exactly like it and did it's own thing. Dark and compelling at times? Yes, but it didnt forget the quirkiness and light-hearted aspects that the franchise attained during it's OT heyday. If Laird wanted to, he'd have given you your bland black-and-white dross, but he RECOGNIZED the TMNT had to maintain those elements, however slight, to appeal to the KIDS watching. KIDS are who eat this franchise up the most, NOT 30-40 year olds who hold on to the darker days of a niche comic that only told about four or five memorable stories in a sixty issue initial run



Ah shaddap.

I ignored the wish to tell you off when badmouthing some of my favourite comics before, but I think I' just let you know about one or two things, compadre:
first of all, it's great that there are so many different reasons for people to hang on to those characters.everybody can have their personal fun and enjoyment and we all love to see the boys come back to the big screen and thus move into a bigger spotlight of attention in general for a moment.

so, I can appreceate when people like the ot more than this or the 4kids more than that etc, but you just blatantly **** up these great comic books just because you don't find your enjoyment in them doesn't mean that they are bad.and beleave me a big part of why I even came back into my favourite toy and tv programm from back in the days as a young adult was the fact that I found out there were comics prior to anything I had known about them.by now I know this was the case for many fans...
I tracked them down one by one and these books are absolutelly beautiful.noboady can say any different, you may not like them but the guys doing them were putting everything they had into them and they came out great.sure there is stuff incorporated or played with that was not created by them themselves but that doesn't make it cheap at all since they are using it creativly and the main parts of the story don't evolve around those things(daredevil origin in #1 for example)...

also I'd like to see what would be better or more serious and apparently not so ridiculous a concept for you in other comic based movies out there?the avengers?spider-man?batman?superman?
actually I think everything could be ridiculed in one light but that depends on the eye of the beholder and people who can see beyond such 'weird' aspects of a story/character often are granted with a richer experience.

in short:don't you talk bad about my comics man!!!!

[Leo656]

Zarius often comes off so caustic that even if I agree with his points it's sometimes hard to defend the way he expresses them... but he's more right than not on this one. A few things to remember whether we want to or not:

-TMNT is NOT, from the ground up, anything resembling "reality", or "grounded" in any way, and never was, it's in fact a fairly light-hearted half/spoof of then-popular trends in comics and film, mixing "gritty" martial arts stuff a'la Frank Miller's Daredevil with some pretty far-out and fantastical mystical and science-fiction elements. It's ALL always been there (unless your TMNT starts and ends with Mirage #1, and if so, what a sad and shallow world you must live in), so it's ALL just as relevant even if you don't like parts of it. Being in black and white and having blood doesn't make the Mirage TMNT any "better" or "more realistic" just because they ocasionally bother using proper Japanese words for things and "act like real ninjas"... not when there's a bunch of aliens that look sorta like brains, tons of robots, and a giant F'n alligator running around in the exact same "grim n gritty and oh-so-real" comic book. It's not "worse" for those elements either, it just is what it is. It's only as "serious" or "dark" as the reader wants it to be; if a reader reads Mirage, and in his head the TMNT have colored bandanas and voices like the OT, then it's not blasphemy, it's TRUE, because it's how THEY interpret it.

-Pop culture characters and they way they are portrayed, along with what is "Most essential" to any "iconic" storyline like a film, changes as time goes by and things are added or taken away. Look at Superman: Luthor, The Daily Planet, and even Kryptonite all didn't show up until much later. Kryptonite didn't show up for about a decade, and that was in the radio show, NOT the comics. Superman couldn't fly, either, until the radio show "said so". NONE of these changes were "accurate" to the source material, BUT looking back, can we imagine Superman without these things? NO. Adding these things wasn't "sacrilege" or "disrespectful to the source material", they made the comics that came later more interesting, and made the character more interesting.

- Sometimes the look of a character can change over time, and it's usually OK, most people even prefer it. To wit: Superman's S was all yellow in the comics at first; the TMNT wore all red in the comics at first. Someone changed it later on in both cases. Ask anyone one the street what color Superman's S is, they'll say "red & yellow"; ask a random person what color Leonardo the Ninja Turtle wears, odds are 99% they'll say blue. It's not "wrong" and it's not "ignorant", it's called "MOST people simply think it's better this way, if they even think about it at all". One thing it's not, in either case, is the end of the f*cking world. The only reason I occasionally rib Mirage hardcores about the bandanna thing is because, seriously guys, only you care, nobody else even thinks about it. It's not "right" just because it's the source material, any more than the colors are "right" just because most people think it is. It literally just "is what it is". Plus, we've had 25 years to get used to the idea, I think it's safe to say it's "acceptable" for the Turtles to have colored bandanas. I say Batman wears black and grey; Adam West fans think he wears blue and grey, movie fans prefer he wears all black. Still Batman, so What-F'n-EVER.

- Just because villains, background characters etc. were introduced in another medium besides the source doesn't make them blasphemous or irrelevant either. To draw out the super-hero analogy a bit more, many of Superman and Batman's more popular villains and supporting cast came from cartoons, radio, and other places that *not everyone* thought was, overall, the best interpretation of the character, but they've since become an important part of their respective mythos regardless. **There are NO bad characters/concepts, only poor EXECUTION**. Just because the OT version of, say, Bebop, might look stupid in the same context with Mirage Shredder doesn't mean NO version of that character could fit into that universe if someone wanted to tell that story, just like Batman: TAS's version of Harley Quinn would be out of place with Heath Ledger's Joker, you could still make it work in a different way if you wanted to. The entire character/conept isn't worthless just because one version of it doesn't fit next to another version of something else.

-Hollywood doesn't make movies, not with properties like TMNT; they make toy commericals. PERIOD. THE END. You can't make a niche movie of a mainstream property, you simply CAN NOT DO IT. It's the entertainment business and TMNT is a property that literally oozes (no pun intended) toy potential, and they are 100% right to exploit that to the very last dollar because that's how business works, no matter how badly some might want to see "The River" done in live action. There are a lot of Mirage stories that would be fodder for a really well-done independently-made film made in the exact same tone as the comics, just like "Death & Return Of Superman" would be awesome on the big screen if done with total accuracy. Neither will ever happen, so my advice is to go the route of many others on the internet, and if you're not satisfied with the Hollwood version of TMNT, grab some friends and a camera and make a fan-film, because it's the only way you're ever gonna get what you want.

My real advice? Just go with the flow and hope we at least get a TMNT film that has more than 8 pages of script. I have serious issues with people who think it's "impossible" the new movie might be any good because "It's not Mirage", "There's Krang, Bebop & Rocksteady, & a Technodrome", or even because maybe, just maybe, the TMNT *might* be aliens. All those things could be true, and the movie could still POTENTIALLY be awesome as f*ck if they were all done a certain way.

Point is, pizza, Krang, Bebop & Rocksteady, and the Technodrome, like it or not, are in every single way JUST as relevant as Shredder, Stockman, and Fugitoid, and if we're talking brand recognition and not fanboy love, some of that "junk" is MORE important. If they're in the movie, good; I think more people want to see that than, say, ANY story from Vol. 4 done as a film. I don't want a Mirage TMNT movie... I don't want an OT movie, or an Archieverse movie... I want what I'm pretty sure most sane people want: A TMNT film that takes the most familiar and iconic pieces of the ENTIRE mosaic, shakes them up, and puts them together in a way that makes narrative sense and doesn't sh*t on any one piece of TMNT history. It CAN be done that way, and it's the best chance of pleasing the most people and making sequels happen.

I know "you can't please everybody", but TMNT is such a scattershot franchise that if you DON'T try that, you miss 90% of your potential audience just to make a few people happy. I'm with Zarius 100% that they should bite the bullet and give people the TMNT they remember, not the TMNT the purists want. If they don't, kiss it goodbye, because I'm pretty sure Hollywood thinks this franchise is poison as it is, between the fact they can never seem to get started along with the fact the TMNT "fans" can never stop arguing. How can any of you/us expect them to give us anything good when we can't even decide what's "good" in the first place?

WHY are we the only fanbase that has such a disconnect?!

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Leo656

WHY are we the only fanbase that has such a disconnect?!

The TMNT fandom isnt unique to that, you find it with any fandom that have experianced multiple retoolings of their product. Since TMNT has had only a few incarnations in total across film and television, it's still reletivley young in that regard compared to, say, Transformers, now a long, long way from G1

[Green Machine]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

The TMNT fandom isnt unique to that, you find it with any fandom that have experianced multiple retoolings of their product. Since TMNT has had only a few incarnations in total across film and television, it's still reletivley young in that regard compared to, say, Transformers, now a long, long way from G1

Exactly right. The Transformers have had so many different incarnations there are mulitiple "sub-groups" of Transformers fans. It's not nearly as bad with TMNT. For the most part it seems like the Original cartoon is celebrated or at least respected by a lot of the TMNT fandom. Generation one transformers is broadly crapped upon by more modern transformers fans (movie fans, Prime fans). Even Beast Wars (which was the original fandom to crap on G1) gets dumped on by modern fans. I am enjoying the TMNT fandom much more than Transformers these days.

[Mr.Turtle]

i think it's ok for chars to change their looks over time. we change our appearance thru time ourselves too so its reasonable as long as they r good change... but that doesnt mean i accept the stretched donnie...

[1984TMNT]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

An intelligent TMNT movie? That would imply the comics are by any stretch of the imagination deep and intelligent to begin with. Reality check: There not.

The first TMNT issue is a generic, flavourless bloodbath for rednecks too cheap to read Frank Miller Daredevil. The first movie took an already dopey concept, took some traits from the cartoon and poured it into a half-way decent journeyman film which satisfies on more than one level...but unfortunatly, for you, that isnt enough, you feel TMNT should be entitled to a film that makes it look better than the sum of it's parts (probably in some vien attempt to proclaim to the world "I like TMNT" without dying of embarrasment). The day you stop living in that elitist fantasy world and start accepting TMNT for what it is in the mainstream is the day you can actually enjoy a movie based on it's more fantastical aspects.

Nobody goes to a TMNT movie to think.

This is where I stopped reading. I beg to differ. So many people would have said the same thing about Batman movies prior to 2005. Just because you think the TMNT are silly and should be represented by their OT incarnations only, doesn't mean you're right. I'm not saying my opinion is better than yours, but I happen to disagree that people wouldn't want to see a serious version of the Turtles that isn't a kid / popcorn flick ONLY. You need look no further than the success of the original movie, and since then, fan fictions such as "fight the foot" to see that a LOT of people would love to see this type of movie made about TMNT.

Are there a ton of people that would love to see a movie version of the OT? Sure! I wouldn't hate it. However, I think the franchise stands to gain a lot by having it's own series of "Batman Begins" quality/tone films. I can argue that nobody wanted to "think" at a Batman movie, and low and behold, we now have 2 critically acclaimed films (soon to be 3) about that character which really dig deep. I'm sure many people similar to yourself thought all Batman could ever be was Adam West and "Pow!" - well, that's simply wrong.

At the end of the day, I love many incarnations of the TMNT. I'm not saying that a movie should be made strictly about one or the other, but ideally, I'd like to have a movie that is indeed gritty, but with aspects that ARE and always be a part of the TMNT universe (comedy, OT characters like Bebop and Rocksteady), etc. I don't think these things are mutually exclusive. Realistically, I think combining all of these things could make for an epic movie.

[marcelangelo]

thank you 1984tmnt!you are speaking my mind but I may have not made myself clear enough earlier....
another thing in kind of response to leo656:I know about zarius way to adress his points of view around here...but what made me want to post here was the point that 1984tmnt reffered to:just because I think something is not to be taken serious doesn't mean that it CANT be taken serious by others....
one thing in response to you leo656:...let me say this about my tastes:I am not of the oppinion that violence makes a movie better or more serious/mature if you will...quite the opposite, to me the comic turtles just WORKED...thats why I would love to see them in a movie like that..but I couldn't agree more that the first live action movie IS really a nice adaptation of that flavour...
but it surely would be fun to explore these turtles more...