How would you improve the Next Mutation?

*CyberCubed* · 09-12-2012, 04:42 PM

Let's say you had to work with the same basic ideas and 26 episodes for Next Mutation, what would you have done to fix it?

I would have kept Shredder/The Foot as recurring villains throughout most of it, and included Dragon Lord at the same time. The most promising thing about the show was it was in continuity with the movies, so seeing Shredder train more Foot and create more mutants would have been more interesting.

Bring in April and Casey obviously, no idea why they weren't there from the start.

If Venus had to exist, have her being a recurring character at best rather than a permanent 5th turtle. Have her at odds with the Turtles and a sense of darkness to her, perhaps she isn't afraid to kill or is at odds with Splinter.

Keep the same tone as the second movie at least. The second movie was silly but the characters would still be serious, the Turtles had the best balance there from the cartoons.

*TurtleTitan97* · 09-12-2012, 04:52 PM

1. Get rid of Venus.
2. Get better costumes for the TMNT,Splinter, and Shredder.
3. Have Casey and April be recurring characters.
4. Have the tone be something like the first movie.

*Drose18* · 09-12-2012, 05:22 PM

No more certified turtiefied!

*Candy Kappa* · 09-12-2012, 05:22 PM

drop the silly sound effects, keep shredder around more and make Venus inexperienced in martial arts and have her to train and grow instead of having her as a full fledged fighter. And I'd make her a viewpoint character for the audience.

*zkarlette* · 09-12-2012, 05:54 PM

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No more certified turtiefied!

What about Badaboom?..

*ToTheNines* · 09-12-2012, 06:03 PM

Honestly, the most annoying thing to me was the abuse of stock footage. Every God damned episode had the same take of the turtles peeling out in their Hummer or motorcycle with the same stupid lines over it.

*Candy Kappa* · 09-12-2012, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Honestly, the most annoying thing to me was the abuse of stock footage. Every God damned episode had the same take of the turtles peeling out in their Hummer or motorcycle with the same stupid lines over it.

even using the same stock when some of the turtles isn't supposed to be on the Hummer

*CyberCubed* · 09-12-2012, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Honestly, the most annoying thing to me was the abuse of stock footage. Every God damned episode had the same take of the turtles peeling out in their Hummer or motorcycle with the same stupid lines over it.

I don't understand why they had to keep showing those either.

*zkarlette* · 09-12-2012, 06:26 PM

Normal bandanas and no letter belts..

*Jephael* · 09-12-2012, 06:31 PM

I would've just used all the storylines from the first season of the 4Kids series, though I would've kept Shredder a human... none of that alien Utrom crap!

*CyberCubed* · 09-12-2012, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jephael

I would've just used all the storylines from the first season of the 4Kids series, though I would've kept Shredder a human... none of that alien Utrom crap!

How the hell could that happen when the show came out in 1997 and the 4kids series didn't exist yet?

*Jephael* · 09-12-2012, 06:36 PM

Well, the 4Kids plotlines were basically animated adaptations of the Mirage comics, save for a couple of original ideas. Besides, this is all just theoretical anyway. What's the point in making a big deal out of what is and isn't logic here?

*CyberCubed* · 09-12-2012, 06:39 PM

Honestly the one-note puns bother me too. For some reason I can deal with those quips easier in the cartoons than in live-action.

*Jephael* · 09-12-2012, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Honestly the one-note puns bother me too. For some reason I can deal with those quips easier in the cartoons than in live-action.

Yea, tell me about it. Hell, Next Mutation was way campier than the classic toon! You ever get the feeling Turtles Forever was just taking Peter Laird's issues with Next Mutation out on the classic toon?

dragonside · 09-12-2012, 06:47 PM

LOL, if someone took all that footage, and redid the dubbing (voices and music) and the sound fx.. and the scripting, i'm sure it could've been a superior product. i.e. that dub over using 4kids voices ontop of the next mutation footage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RsG4hlgHlQ

man.. superior.

**Jester** · 09-12-2012, 08:52 PM

I agree with Titan. Bring on April and Casey. That would have made it better.

*Ninjinister* · 09-12-2012, 09:06 PM

Kept Leo with a yellow bandana.

*Cipher* · 09-12-2012, 09:09 PM

Same basics but watchable?

Remove the wacky sound effects. You're done.

EDIT -- Also take away their god damn hummer. A turtle-branded, large-windowed van was fine in the Fred-Wolf cartoon when they were basically public superheroes. This show tried to push them as serious ninjas and outcasts from society, which, just ... you can't have it both ways. They can either be in hiding, or they can fist pump from the back of their open hummer.

*CyberCubed* · 09-12-2012, 10:10 PM

I found Mike's choice of weapons in this show to be amusing in a bad way. Damn those censors who banned Mike's nunchucks from TV until the 4kids cartoon!

Vegeta · 09-12-2012, 10:12 PM

As the old saying goes, you can't polish a turd

09-12-2012, 04:42 PM	#1
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,742	How would you improve the Next Mutation? Let's say you had to work with the same basic ideas and 26 episodes for Next Mutation, what would you have done to fix it? I would have kept Shredder/The Foot as recurring villains throughout most of it, and included Dragon Lord at the same time. The most promising thing about the show was it was in continuity with the movies, so seeing Shredder train more Foot and create more mutants would have been more interesting. Bring in April and Casey obviously, no idea why they weren't there from the start. If Venus had to exist, have her being a recurring character at best rather than a permanent 5th turtle. Have her at odds with the Turtles and a sense of darkness to her, perhaps she isn't afraid to kill or is at odds with Splinter. Keep the same tone as the second movie at least. The second movie was silly but the characters would still be serious, the Turtles had the best balance there from the cartoons.

09-12-2012, 04:52 PM	#2
TurtleTitan97 Space Cowboy Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Speed Force Posts: 7,043	1. Get rid of Venus. 2. Get better costumes for the TMNT,Splinter, and Shredder. 3. Have Casey and April be recurring characters. 4. Have the tone be something like the first movie. __________________

09-12-2012, 05:22 PM	#4
Candy Kappa The Agenda of Existing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Vikingland Posts: 14,596	drop the silly sound effects, keep shredder around more and make Venus inexperienced in martial arts and have her to train and grow instead of having her as a full fledged fighter. And I'd make her a viewpoint character for the audience. __________________ devianArt Instagram Youtube Tumblr Art Blog Patreon

09-12-2012, 06:26 PM	#9
zkarlette Fashionably late Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: CA Posts: 4,146	Normal bandanas and no letter belts.. __________________ "If only we'd stop trying to be happy, we could have a pretty good time" E.W

09-12-2012, 06:31 PM	#10
Jephael That whack job behind you Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania Posts: 8,143	I would've just used all the storylines from the first season of the 4Kids series, though I would've kept Shredder a human... none of that alien Utrom crap! __________________ "I like it. Simple, but effective!" Raphael; The Mean Machines - 1988

09-12-2012, 05:22 PM	#3
Drose18 The Catalina Wine Mixer Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,865	No more certified turtiefied!

09-12-2012, 06:03 PM	#6
ToTheNines Col. Stinkmeaner Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19,135	Honestly, the most annoying thing to me was the abuse of stock footage. Every God damned episode had the same take of the turtles peeling out in their Hummer or motorcycle with the same stupid lines over it.

09-12-2012, 06:36 PM	#12
Jephael That whack job behind you Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania Posts: 8,143	Well, the 4Kids plotlines were basically animated adaptations of the Mirage comics, save for a couple of original ideas. Besides, this is all just theoretical anyway. What's the point in making a big deal out of what is and isn't logic here? __________________ "I like it. Simple, but effective!" Raphael; The Mean Machines - 1988

09-12-2012, 06:39 PM	#13
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,742	Honestly the one-note puns bother me too. For some reason I can deal with those quips easier in the cartoons than in live-action.

09-12-2012, 06:47 PM	#15
dragonside Hench Mutant Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 476	LOL, if someone took all that footage, and redid the dubbing (voices and music) and the sound fx.. and the scripting, i'm sure it could've been a superior product. i.e. that dub over using 4kids voices ontop of the next mutation footage. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RsG4hlgHlQ man.. superior.

09-12-2012, 08:52 PM	#16
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,294	I agree with Titan. Bring on April and Casey. That would have made it better. __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

09-12-2012, 09:06 PM	#17
Ninjinister 無問題 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Moesko Island, WA Posts: 14,348	Kept Leo with a yellow bandana. __________________

09-12-2012, 09:09 PM	#18
Cipher Foot Elite Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 3,454	Same basics but watchable? Remove the wacky sound effects. You're done. EDIT -- Also take away their god damn hummer. A turtle-branded, large-windowed van was fine in the Fred-Wolf cartoon when they were basically public superheroes. This show tried to push them as serious ninjas and outcasts from society, which, just ... you can't have it both ways. They can either be in hiding, or they can fist pump from the back of their open hummer.

09-12-2012, 10:10 PM	#19
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,742	I found Mike's choice of weapons in this show to be amusing in a bad way. Damn those censors who banned Mike's nunchucks from TV until the 4kids cartoon!

09-12-2012, 10:12 PM	#20
Vegeta Hench Mutant Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Chicago Posts: 398	As the old saying goes, you can't polish a turd __________________