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[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

Thank god Bay didn't direct Godzilla... Holly ****. When it's another director, it's called build up. When it's Bay.. it's those pesky humans. EVEN if he's got nothing to do with the story. Not pointing the finger at you personally but I see this a lot on the internet now.. I wonder if people realize how trendy and weird it looks when they complain about "the humanz". Ill never understand how some can give a film like Godzilla " with a messy TERRIBLE story and plot that had NO flow to it, weak characters, the only strong character dies a quarter way into the film, and a title character that literally takes a back seat to a couple of giant praying mantises and only has about 20 minutes of screen time in a roughly two hour long movie". THANK GOD classics like Jaws and Jurassic park aren't directed by Michael Bay and being released this year. With this internet trend phrase " why all the humans" so prevalent these last couple of years after a billion dollar rebooted Transformer franchise directed by a man that everyone LOVES to rag on I think these classic films would seriously be torn to shreds if they had Bays name on them.. and that's saying something about todays "critic" imo.

Never ceases to amaze me to see the director of Bad Boys 2 get compared in any way to Steven Spielberg.

If you had at all watched Jurassic Park, JAWS, or Godzilla(which I'm pretty sure you haven't based on your notions about them) you'd understand that those movies AREN'T about the dinosaurs, the shark, or Godzilla.

They're about the people reacting TO THEM. The humans are the main characters, not the monsters.

However, in media such as Transformers and TMNT, where the human characters almost ALWAYS DO take a back seat to the main non-human characters, it would be unusual and terrible for the opposite to happen.

Like, say, in the Transformers movies. Where we get Shia LaBeef and Megan Fox and Shia's crazy wacky movie parents and the BadAss Army Guys™ and John Turturro baring his ass cheeks or getting pissed on by a robot. And, more recently, Marky Mark as farmer inventor just trying to make ends meet and put his kid through college.

The Transformers should have been the main characters. The Turtles should be the main characters. Whether they are or not remains to be seen. I'm betting not.

[sh3llshocked]

God I hope April is not the main focus.

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by sh3llshocked

God I hope April is not the main focus.

Me too. Me too.

[Radical Raph]

Originally Posted by Bry

Kind of been covered, but... he actually is. He's roughly on the same plane as Leo and Raph, who are very short compared to him. Donnie is standing far closer to the "camera" than they are, but he's not actually bigger - it's just a visual trick.

I think a lot of the original, lasting appeal of the Turtles actually comes from those original designs - they're short, kind of cute and unassuming... but totally deadly. There's a bit of a visual joke in that (which was the original point), and also a bit of a "don't judge a book by its cover" message inherent to it that I've always liked. The mere concept of a ninja turtle was intended to be ridiculous, and it works best when they're not "overcompensating"... Making them massively tall and muscular loses that.

I mean, it's a subjective thing. There's no "wrong" per se, just personal opinions. But it's worth noting that the Turtles have pretty much always been short:

http://s23.postimg.org/tmwl30nm3/tmnt_height.jpg

I think there's a good reason for that, and a reason it's largely been unchanged for 30 years. Some may not agree, but I think it's a worthwhile point/argument regardless.

(Uh, maybe for a different section/topic, though?)

What do you think the reason is though? Or do you think they started out short so every other artist drew them that way, too?

The reason I like them being short, don't know if it was intentional, is because it makes them a bit of an underdog. It also stresses the fact that, despite being vertically challenged, they're still able to use martial arts to their advantage without having to rely on their size and strength alone. The new turtles might be big, but as long as the enemies they are facing are equally as tough, I might not have a problem with that.

[darthwahl56]

Originally Posted by sh3llshocked

God I hope April is not the main focus.

April O'Neil and the Ninja Turtles

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

Never ceases to amaze me to see the director of Bad Boys 2 get compared in any way to Steven Spielberg.

If you had at all watched Jurassic Park, JAWS, or Godzilla(which I'm pretty sure you haven't based on your notions about them) you'd understand that those movies AREN'T about the dinosaurs, the shark, or Godzilla.

They're about the people reacting TO THEM. The humans are the main characters, not the monsters.

However, in media such as Transformers and TMNT, where the human characters almost ALWAYS DO take a back seat to the main non-human characters, it would be unusual and terrible for the opposite to happen.

Like, say, in the Transformers movies. Where we get Shia LaBeef and Megan Fox and Shia's crazy wacky movie parents and the BadAss Army Guys™ and John Turturro baring his ass cheeks or getting pissed on by a robot. And, more recently, Marky Mark as farmer inventor just trying to make ends meet and put his kid through college.

The Transformers should have been the main characters. The Turtles should be the main characters. Whether they are or not remains to be seen. I'm betting not.

Man you're like that GF that just refuses to get the hint Even though you cried the other day about how "sad" it was us not being able to "ignore you" but yet you keep quoting me over and over.. Do you really want to talk to me this badly Tricksortreats? Fine.. but after this.. lets keep a distance ok.. nothing personal but.. I personally don't care to communicate with you. Which is why I haven't responded to your snark as of late.

They're about the people reacting TO THEM

The only Franchise in question that this COULD make sense is Transformers.. Maybe a film on Cybertron.. but how relatable would that be? Do you think that would do as well?
Not so sure, mostly just the die hard geeks of the franchise would enjoy it imo. But all the rest.. the TMNT, Jaws, Godzilla, Jurassic Park.. these are all films about things we don't see everyday and showcase the "humanz" "reacting to these things".

If you had at all watched Jurassic Park, JAWS, or Godzilla(which I'm pretty sure you haven't based on your notions about them) you'd understand that those movies AREN'T about the dinosaurs, the shark, or Godzilla.

Omg .... Nope.. Godzilla isn't about... Godzilla. Jaws isn't about a giant friggin shark. And Jurassic park isn't about dinosaurs. They're not the main attractions.. And you're arrogantly telling ME that you think I haven't seen these movies? Ice those arms so they don't ache tomorrow I care about my buddy after all we've been through.

These movies whether it be giant robots.. Dinosaurs.. a giant Lizard or a giant Shark are all films with people "reacting to them" This is why we see these films.. bc these are things we don't see every day Trickingtreater. There are humans in them " I cant believe I just said that btw" to help us all relate and gain a sense of "reality" while at the same time escaping our own reality. The first TMNT film? Did ANYONE get upset about the "humanz" in that film? All that screen time for April, Charles, Danny and Casey? Are you claiming that the first films didn't have a plot focused around the "humanz"? 1, 2 and omg 3? Come on Tricks.

Anyway.. My point is the utter stupidity and hypocrisy of film critics today.
People literally only make a stink when it's a Bay film while giving everyone else a free pass. It's ok for all of these films to have mostly "humanz" on the screen for the majority of the time but not when you have mutated turtles that were born on planet earth and live among human beings?

Ok Tricksandtreaty. You asked to be ignored.. now stop attempting to communicate with me ok ; )

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

Man...

Right after that. All hogswallop.

Ok Tricksandtreaty. You asked to be ignored.. now stop attempting to communicate with me ok

Still waiting for you to. Nobody's forcing you to reply to me dollface.

[Radical Raph]

Originally Posted by MastahShredder

I like this thread so we can also discuss the photos unlike the stickied one.

http://i.imgur.com/bVY8SV3.png

How the hell do you fight that? Like at what angle can you attack him that you won't get stabbed?

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by Radical Raph

How the hell do you fight that? Like at what angle can you attack him that you won't get stabbed?

It's a great question to have going into a movie like this. I want my Turtles to be the underdogs. Not you but.. I thought that's what everyone wanted when complaining about their size.

Edit: I am starting to think that the Utrom/Krang is sitting in the helmet. I think that is why we see eyes.
Just a thought

[pdizzle]

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

Ok Tricksandtreaty.

this sh^t had me rolling....

[Radical Raph]

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

It's a great question to have going into a movie like this. I want my Turtles to be the underdogs. Not you but.. I thought that's what everyone wanted when complaining about their size.

Edit: I am starting to think that the Utrom/Krang is sitting in the helmet. I think that is why we see eyes.
Just a thought

I thought it was Sachs sitting in there? But seriously like where can you even hit the new Shredder where he's not armored? Lol, there's definitely no obvious weak points.

[Emma]

Originally Posted by FellowChucker

Maybe not a troll, it's a diplomatic way for me to basically articulate the fact I think he's a punk with a "forum badge" ... and it's not because he may disagree with me about something.

Not to be rude To you jester but FellowChucker is right I saw you start a fight in a thread really recent. And "Pudinpop" had to stop the fight a MOD
should stop fights not start fights. and back to topic now some one just reviewed all the movie figures heres the link
https://www.youtube.com/user/charlie2621/videos

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by Radical Raph

I thought it was Sachs sitting in there? But seriously like where can you even hit the new Shredder where he's not armored? Lol, there's definitely no obvious weak points.

Jump kick him/it in the chest . His chest is wide open. But if you're asking me? Don't. Bc I'd bolt so fast leaving a trail of piss behind I'm sure he wouldn't be able to catch me anyway.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

so how about that marketing....ive seen about 2 different spots for transformers along with that oreo commercial



and only one turtles spot

[UGHShellshocked]

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

so how about that marketing....ive seen about 2 different spots for transformers along with that oreo commercial



and only one turtles spot

Its going terrible.

They should take a look at the numbers that Edge of Tomorrow is doing at the box office and we were bombarded with trailers from that movie.

So far all we have for the Turtles is a bunch of merch, the terrible Toy fair poster on most of it (only posed differently) and mere seconds of actual turtle footage.

We should be getting a 2 minute long trailer today but the next trailer is going to be 36 seconds long...

[Radical Raph]

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

Jump kick him/it in the chest . His chest is wide open. But if you're asking me? Don't. Bc I'd bolt so fast leaving a trail of piss behind I'm sure he wouldn't be able to catch me anyway.

How much you wanna bet Splinter gets his ear chopped off like in the 1990 movie. With all those blades SOMETHING is getting sliced.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by UGHShellshocked

They should take a look at the numbers that Edge of Tomorrow is doing at the box office and we were bombarded with trailers from that movie.

i will say i havent had to chance to live at the movies this summer but i have yet to see a turtles trailer attached to the moves ive seen

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by UGHShellshocked

Its going terrible.

They should take a look at the numbers that Edge of Tomorrow is doing at the box office and we were bombarded with trailers from that movie.

So far all we have for the Turtles is a bunch of merch, the terrible Toy fair poster on most of it (only posed differently) and mere seconds of actual turtle footage.

We should be getting a 2 minute long trailer today but the next trailer is going to be 36 seconds long...

Really?

Just about 2 months from release and not even a full theatrical trailer yet.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

Really?

Just about 2 months from release and not even a full theatrical trailer yet.

yea its already week 2 and june in all we have are "posters"

[UGHShellshocked]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

Really?

Just about 2 months from release and not even a full theatrical trailer yet.

Yep Alberta Film ratings classified the trailer a couple days ago and clocked it at 59 seconds (sorry correction)

But it still wouldn't surprise me if we don't see the same stuff in it. (Tower falling down/brothers voice over/hill slide/Mask joke with one brief added scene). I'm actually hoping that its one of those trailer premiere things that say "tune in tomorrow for the world premiere trailer"

I've been a pretty positive guy on this whole experience however the marketing just isn't doing it for me.