Official Ep Discussion: #4 "New Friend, Old Enemy" - Page 14

FearlessLeader · 10-16-2012, 06:32 PM

This was probably stated somewhere earlier in the thread and I only read the last few pages, but I loved the fact Leo actually called out the fact he's sick of only fighting mutants and aliens in this episode. I almost feel like someone at Nick knew some of us would also be feeling that way!

I am enjoying this show far more then I expected to. I always figured I would like it, but I find myself re-watching it and enjoying it as much as I did the early 2003 episodes. I am hoping this series develops as well as that one did and keeps expanding on the characters.

I am really enjoying their take on Leo so far, young and very unsure of the world and his role in it. I feel like this week for the first time we really witnessed him realizing the responsibility his role as leader is putting on his shoulder with the whole "fair fight" part.

I find myself excited for the weekend now and seeing what's going to happen next!

Jahwabunga · 10-16-2012, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by FearlessLeader

This was probably stated somewhere earlier in the thread and I only read the last few pages, but I loved the fact Leo actually called out the fact he's sick of only fighting mutants and aliens in this episode. I almost feel like someone at Nick knew some of us would also be feeling that way!

Yeah i've got the same feeling. Think it's great that they put it in the serie, it's like my thoughts were expressed by Leo

*Coola Yagami* · 10-16-2012, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jahwabunga

Yeah i've got the same feeling. Think it's great that they put it in the serie, it's like my thoughts were expressed by Leo

Kinda made me roll my eyes just a little... since now the turtles can't go all out. I seriously doubt we're gonna see Leo slice Brad or Xever across the chest.... neither will Xever ever get to use his knife on anybody without having them block or dodge it.

rattrap109 · 10-17-2012, 08:03 AM

i am loving this episode, but would have loved to see him turn to dogpound in it though or at least the shellrazor

*Coro* · 10-17-2012, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

It could be Myspace,Twitter,Digg, or even LinkedIn if not some generic social network!

Bradford's partner for this episode is he just some generic punk or will/is this character of any significance?

I like seeing Splinter strongarm Leo!

Its a nice change of pace from Mke getting hit by Raph or someone else.

Bradford will be dogpound and his partner will be fishface

demonsweat · 10-17-2012, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Vivi

I don't care if Michelangelo is on the naive side, he's still a badass ninja that happens to make the occasional poor choice - growing up is a learning curve.

Agree. Also opens the door to some character development as the show progresses. I'd like to see Mikey maybe do a solo mission or two in the future, something he has to figure out on his own without his brothers' help.

Calling his character stupid is a little harsh, imo. Naive is a better word.

*Xav* · 10-17-2012, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RIP, gobo

"Fighting fair is for losers" is not a very good 'moral of the story'.

It reminded of the 2003 series
Splinter: You strike a wounded warrior! You have no honor!
Shredder: I fight to win!
It's funny how Splinter is acting like Shredder now.

TurtleMaster4 · 10-17-2012, 02:56 PM

kinda getting mad since nick didn't upload it to their site yet, but next week's online preview is already out!

*Jephael* · 10-17-2012, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TurtleMaster4

kinda getting mad since nick didn't upload it to their site yet, but next week's online preview is already out!

Yea, that's kind of a jip!

FearlessLeader · 10-17-2012, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RIP, gobo

"Fighting fair is for losers" is not a very good 'moral of the story'. Finally, this show inspired a sincere LOL from me. Mikey's idea of revenge is awesome. ^_^

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Originally Posted by Xav

It reminded of the 2003 series
Splinter: You strike a wounded warrior! You have no honor!
Shredder: I fight to win!
It's funny how Splinter is acting like Shredder now.

Honestly that wasn't at least what I got out of it. Splinter wasn't in my opinion calling Leo a chump for wanting a fair fight or saying fighting fair is stupid, he is looking at his young son whose majority of combat experience comes from watching a fictional hero on TV and in so Leo thinks much like the fiction he enjoys everyone is going to fight fair and him and his brother's are always going to have a certainty to win (much like his Captain hero).

I think Splinter is trying to impart a real life lesson on his son that life isn't fair and unfortunately quiet often the villain is going to use whatever means necessary to win. Leo in turn being the leader and in charge of his brothers, must be willing to see this and reform his plans for when they are not met with a fair fight.

In my mind it was probably one of the most true and sad lessons about reality a child could learn from this show.

**Machias Banshee** · 10-17-2012, 08:35 PM

Okay, here's my brief review of this episode...

This was quite an episode, in terms of Choreography and introducing Shredder and the Foot. The opening scene of the masked Bradford meeting with Shredder, with the Foot sparring was incredible... the use of light and dark in the style of the show just worked so well here. Sure, the Foot he was sparring with weren't the best in the clan, but the whole presentation was great. Bradford's a real bastard, especially when he stomps his OWN guy at the end of the opening scene...his episode really deserves kudos for the quality of the fight scenes. There's no holding back with Any of the characters - no slapstick, no joke movements, nothing... the white eyes on the turtles when they emerge from the water makes them look so Threatening.

I am So intrigued by the photo of Yoshi and Saki! It looks like Saki is in some sort of military clothing - camo hat, tank top, even both of them are wearing dogtags. When was this??? I want to know MORE!

The character Xever... seems like a stereotypical gang member that's got a little too much experience in Jail, especially with his comments about making his own weapons in prison. I do like the idea of him being a possible Purple Dragon leader... it would work that you've got an elite force using some expendable 'useful idiots'. I just wish some of the evil humans would stay as evil humans...

I love the brotherly displays of one-up-manship and little displays of affection, whether if it's Raph crashing into the other three on the rooftop, or just the small headrubs Mike gets from Leo and Raph during the show.

Splinter... was kinda freaky this episode. I was surprised at him dropping Leo to the floor, but I understand the point of his lesson - they're fighting to survive people and creatures that are Focused on killing them. Splinter has a very valid reason behind his strictness - his first family died/disappeared in Japan. He's going to second-guess and overanalyze everything he does to make sure the same thing does not happen again. But the way he growled at the boys when he saw them practicing the Death Dragon.... he's not the Splinter from the 2K3 show.

I didn't care for Mike's whole man crush on Bradford, but I thought it was a nice lil bit of character development for Mike...

I can't wait to see what happens Saturday!

shinefra · 10-17-2012, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by FearlessLeader

Honestly that wasn't at least what I got out of it. Splinter wasn't in my opinion calling Leo a chump for wanting a fair fight or saying fighting fair is stupid, he is looking at his young son whose majority of combat experience comes from watching a fictional hero on TV and in so Leo thinks much like the fiction he enjoys everyone is going to fight fair and him and his brother's are always going to have a certainty to win (much like his Captain hero).

I think Splinter is trying to impart a real life lesson on his son that life isn't fair and unfortunately quiet often the villain is going to use whatever means necessary to win. Leo in turn being the leader and in charge of his brothers, must be willing to see this and reform his plans for when they are not met with a fair fight.

In my mind it was probably one of the most true and sad lessons about reality a child could learn from this show.

And right you are my friend, right you are.

Mona_Lisa · 10-17-2012, 11:04 PM

Mikey is so much like my little sister, its kinda scary!!!! Shes ADHD, and She can be cute and annoying at the same time! but I love her! And I love Mikey too!!!!

Raph was awesome in this ep.

Its cool to see him being a "good big brother" although there all the same age in the "nick toon", Right????

*Sage Ninja* · 10-18-2012, 01:31 AM

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I didn't care for Mike's whole man crush on Bradford, but I thought it was a nice lil bit of character development for Mike...

you didn't like it, but you thought it was a good development for him?

What didn't you like about it?

In The Clouds · 10-18-2012, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mona_Lisa

Its cool to see him being a "good big brother" although there all the same age in the "nick toon", Right????

They've always been all the same age; don't let that stop you.

marcelangelo · 10-18-2012, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Xav

It reminded of the 2003 series
Splinter: You strike a wounded warrior! You have no honor!
Shredder: I fight to win!
It's funny how Splinter is acting like Shredder now.

you didn't get it then...what that means is:you are to seek victory, not fairness...for the world is not always an ideal and thus fair place and you ought to make sure to survive or protect your brothers for that matter before you realize the reality and have to mounr your family...

its in between his words that you interpret some words to it that corrupts the real message amigoes

marcelangelo · 10-18-2012, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by FearlessLeader

Honestly that wasn't at least what I got out of it. Splinter wasn't in my opinion calling Leo a chump for wanting a fair fight or saying fighting fair is stupid, he is looking at his young son whose majority of combat experience comes from watching a fictional hero on TV and in so Leo thinks much like the fiction he enjoys everyone is going to fight fair and him and his brother's are always going to have a certainty to win (much like his Captain hero).

I think Splinter is trying to impart a real life lesson on his son that life isn't fair and unfortunately quiet often the villain is going to use whatever means necessary to win. Leo in turn being the leader and in charge of his brothers, must be willing to see this and reform his plans for when they are not met with a fair fight.

In my mind it was probably one of the most true and sad lessons about reality a child could learn from this show.

yes, how wonderful to have such a meaningful message about life part of this great show...I think this is what seperates the good from the GREAT..when they actually incorporate a grain of truth..of real feeling in a form of entertainment..excellent, nick tmnt team!
in the new word:BOOYAKASHAAA!

**Machias Banshee** · 10-18-2012, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Sage Ninja

you didn't like it, but you thought it was a good development for him?

What didn't you like about it?

Mike's gushing over Bradford seemed a bit over the top. However... he learned a bit about how he interacts with humans, that he has to be more careful. I don't think he's gonna be running up to every single human he meets to be friends with them after this encounter...

The Big Bad · 10-18-2012, 06:50 PM

Rewatching the episode, I noticed something: Bradford was trying to get information out of Mikey when talked turned to him teaching the TMNT his secret kata. Given that he isn't being portrayed as an idiot, it makes sense to conclude that in exchange for the technique, he actually got some of that information. What information do y'all believe he got, and do you think it'll be a plot point?

Also, I've concluded that if the writers are indeed attempting to portray Michelangelo as someone who is merely naive instead of stupid, they've overshot the mark by quite a bit. Naivete has nothing to do with an inability to spell common words, or not understand simple concepts.

Master of the Foot Clan · 10-18-2012, 08:07 PM

This was obviously the best episode of the series. I liked a lot of things.

*The Mikey is head over heals about Chris Bradford. He reminds me of a kid at Comic Con or another Con or something.

*More Foot Clan action.

*Shredder.

*It was actually really funny.

*The Parody of Chris Bradford. Although yes there is a martial artist who shares the same name, he doesn't look like anything like the TMNT character. He actually could be based on a couple of different famous martial artists.

Also did anyone notice it was kind of like Karate Kid 3(The Scene where Ralph Maccio realized his new sensei works for John Kreese) when Mikey figures out Chris Bradford is a bad guy.

Unfortunately, it looks like Viacom wants you to buy a season pass from iTunes or amazon to keep up with the series.

View Poll Results: Finally got a poll going on this one... so, what'd you think?
"Are you an Idiot? Lemme rephrase that... You're an Idiot!"	29	46.03%
"Was that Fair?" No... "Did I Win?" ...I see your point.	26	41.27%
You actually thought someone like me could be friends with a freak like you? Pathetic...	2	3.17%
Don's golf Clap	6	9.52%
Voters: 63. You may not vote on this poll

10-16-2012, 06:32 PM	#261
FearlessLeader Mad Scientist Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Watching Space Heroes Posts: 1,048	This was probably stated somewhere earlier in the thread and I only read the last few pages, but I loved the fact Leo actually called out the fact he's sick of only fighting mutants and aliens in this episode. I almost feel like someone at Nick knew some of us would also be feeling that way! I am enjoying this show far more then I expected to. I always figured I would like it, but I find myself re-watching it and enjoying it as much as I did the early 2003 episodes. I am hoping this series develops as well as that one did and keeps expanding on the characters. I am really enjoying their take on Leo so far, young and very unsure of the world and his role in it. I feel like this week for the first time we really witnessed him realizing the responsibility his role as leader is putting on his shoulder with the whole "fair fight" part. I find myself excited for the weekend now and seeing what's going to happen next! __________________ Artwork by Jim Lawson

10-17-2012, 08:03 AM	#264
rattrap109 Random Punk Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 28	great i am loving this episode, but would have loved to see him turn to dogpound in it though or at least the shellrazor

10-17-2012, 11:04 PM	#273
Mona_Lisa Stone Warrior Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: North Carolina Posts: 516	Mikey is so much like my little sister, its kinda scary!!!! Shes ADHD, and She can be cute and annoying at the same time! but I love her! And I love Mikey too!!!! Raph was awesome in this ep. Its cool to see him being a "good big brother" although there all the same age in the "nick toon", Right???? __________________

10-18-2012, 06:50 PM	#279
The Big Bad Stone Warrior Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 653	Rewatching the episode, I noticed something: Bradford was trying to get information out of Mikey when talked turned to him teaching the TMNT his secret kata. Given that he isn't being portrayed as an idiot, it makes sense to conclude that in exchange for the technique, he actually got some of that information. What information do y'all believe he got, and do you think it'll be a plot point? Also, I've concluded that if the writers are indeed attempting to portray Michelangelo as someone who is merely naive instead of stupid, they've overshot the mark by quite a bit. Naivete has nothing to do with an inability to spell common words, or not understand simple concepts. __________________ Monsters of New York, my TMNT/Gargoyles Blog Avatar artwork by Madseason. Previous avatar artwork by Lorna-ka.

10-17-2012, 02:56 PM	#268
TurtleMaster4 Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Some where in the Sewers of New York! Posts: 390	kinda getting mad since nick didn't upload it to their site yet, but next week's online preview is already out!

10-17-2012, 08:35 PM	#271
Machias Banshee Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 17,163	Okay, here's my brief review of this episode... This was quite an episode, in terms of Choreography and introducing Shredder and the Foot. The opening scene of the masked Bradford meeting with Shredder, with the Foot sparring was incredible... the use of light and dark in the style of the show just worked so well here. Sure, the Foot he was sparring with weren't the best in the clan, but the whole presentation was great. Bradford's a real bastard, especially when he stomps his OWN guy at the end of the opening scene...his episode really deserves kudos for the quality of the fight scenes. There's no holding back with Any of the characters - no slapstick, no joke movements, nothing... the white eyes on the turtles when they emerge from the water makes them look so Threatening. I am So intrigued by the photo of Yoshi and Saki! It looks like Saki is in some sort of military clothing - camo hat, tank top, even both of them are wearing dogtags. When was this??? I want to know MORE! The character Xever... seems like a stereotypical gang member that's got a little too much experience in Jail, especially with his comments about making his own weapons in prison. I do like the idea of him being a possible Purple Dragon leader... it would work that you've got an elite force using some expendable 'useful idiots'. I just wish some of the evil humans would stay as evil humans... I love the brotherly displays of one-up-manship and little displays of affection, whether if it's Raph crashing into the other three on the rooftop, or just the small headrubs Mike gets from Leo and Raph during the show. Splinter... was kinda freaky this episode. I was surprised at him dropping Leo to the floor, but I understand the point of his lesson - they're fighting to survive people and creatures that are Focused on killing them. Splinter has a very valid reason behind his strictness - his first family died/disappeared in Japan. He's going to second-guess and overanalyze everything he does to make sure the same thing does not happen again. But the way he growled at the boys when he saw them practicing the Death Dragon.... he's not the Splinter from the 2K3 show. I didn't care for Mike's whole man crush on Bradford, but I thought it was a nice lil bit of character development for Mike... I can't wait to see what happens Saturday!

10-18-2012, 08:07 PM	#280
Master of the Foot Clan Foot Soldier Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: California Posts: 128	This was obviously the best episode of the series. I liked a lot of things. The Mikey is head over heals about Chris Bradford. He reminds me of a kid at Comic Con or another Con or something. More Foot Clan action. Shredder. It was actually really funny. *The Parody of Chris Bradford. Although yes there is a martial artist who shares the same name, he doesn't look like anything like the TMNT character. He actually could be based on a couple of different famous martial artists. Also did anyone notice it was kind of like Karate Kid 3(The Scene where Ralph Maccio realized his new sensei works for John Kreese) when Mikey figures out Chris Bradford is a bad guy. Unfortunately, it looks like Viacom wants you to buy a season pass from iTunes or amazon to keep up with the series.