Corona Virus/Dow Jones taking a hit/possible recession

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by IMJ

It's absolutely a Chinese virus and leftist mouth breathers who can't accept it are wrong twice.

It is a "Chinese virus" in fact as it's origination was factually in China, until proven otherwise.
It is a "Chinese virus" in the pejorative use of the term as it originated from a disgusting, unkempt meat market born purely of the most disgusting, unclean and down trodden aspect of Chinese culture as opposed to any of the good aspects of the culture.

There's no skirting it, and denial as a function of the "fight against racism" does not make anyone a better person. Instead, denying this makes the denier someone who is likely to repeat their mistakes via their strange and childlike psychology that informs them that any negative statement about race or cultural is racist - which it is not.

During my undergrad, the college I went to had an internal course requirement regarding diversity. We had to read a great book about the plight of immigrants. That was a great component of the course. Then the insipid, wildly liberal instructor shows us a poster of bugs and other bush meat animals and explains in this engineered positivity that other countries eat from all sources of protein as if this was a good thing. She then, in her liberal nonsense, contrasted this by saying that we don't do this in America while employing a shameful tone as if we are wasteful. All while completely neglecting that those bush meat eating countries have strange viruses, bacterial issues and a broad span of life expectancy rather than generational cohorts that improve over time. I couldn't help but think "alright bitch, then you go eat bugs and ****ing possums you manipulative asshat". But I stayed quiet to her BS & tried to find value in the components of that class that were cogent. I got an "A". The whole thing and defense of it is insipid and foolish. In another thread we discussed natural selection. Consider that for a minute if you are reading this and want to deny origins and causal realities.

I am curious what was you undergrad???? Just genuinely curious.

Originally Posted by IMJ

Arguing this is a stretch argument whereby someone argues something as a lowest common denominator target. But it isn't cogent and it's an extreme stretch by comparison. Just because we can pencil whip an argument against does make the argument worthwhile or accurate in meaning. It only means that it can be argued in tone and based on the ego that someone could find an argument. It is also like explaining to a diversity class that other people eat bugs and bush meat and are better people for it.

I think that's all that needs to be said about that - no more explanation diffusing it is necessary.

So that's a no......

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

I keep seeing idiots bringing it up elsewhere online, but nitpicking on insisting on calling it the "Chinese virus" adds nothing of value to the conversion. Yes, if it stemmed from the live animal markets then China needs to figure out it isn't a good idea and learn from this. But people can yell at them about that later after the real present problem is gone.


edit: And that response to me reads like a whole lot of nothing and just space filler for lack of a real counterpoint.

I think people are calling it for two reasons. 1) Bc it is easier to call it the "Chinese Virus" Than "Corin-Vid 19" essentially a nickname or slang for the virus. I really don't see a problem for this reason bc there is no ill intent. Its just convent or easier for them. 2) The other reason they are calling it the "Chinese Virus" is bc conspiracist believe that China manufactured the virus themselves. I would usually brush ideas like this off, but after that scientist coming forward and admitting to making the first genetically altered children I am open to all theories concerning China.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

But it is racist. Calling it "Chinese Virus", "Wuhan Flu" or "Kung-Flu" have zero value. Naming a illness or a virus after a country or nationality is specifically done to instill racism and othering.

Naming virus after the place is originated is just a statement of a fact. Virus has come from China = "Chinese Virus". It has nothing to do with "othering" or whatever SJW stupid crap you peddle.

Also, as was said before, Chinese government is fully responsible for it existence in the first place, so it is their virus in both geographical and political sense.

Of course, I suspect people like you will cry that Chinese government done nothing wrong and the virus is somehow responsibility of the "evil white people", "sis-gendered patriarchy" or whatever buzzword you will use to look more important.

The fact that we can't even say where the virus had originated, without triggering some tumblristas smells of 1984-like attempt to overwrite history on the fly, not for the state's sake, but to sate the need of the Internet fragile neckbeards and virgin retards for self-flagellation and outrage.

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by Sumac

Also, as was said before, Chinese government is fully responsible for it existence in the first place,

Say what.........

[Andrew NDB]

... for allowing the wholesale trapping and eating of wild animals to go on, unabated, right? And the argument could even be made, "There isn't enough food there! They have no choice but to resort to eating bats!" But even there, it comes right back to "it's the fault of the Chinese government."

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Redeemer

Say what.........

As they say in your fragile circles, educate yourself.
Unpack this, be better, oh sweetie, yadda, yadda, yadda...

Of course, I fully expect that you will deflect it with something stupid like "but it is their traditions and culture! evul white ppl shouldn't dictate pure and honorable chinese people how to live their lives!". Never mind, that if someone did something like that market in US or Europe you'd be writing angry posts about how those markets should be closed because of how dangerous they are.

[frank_one]

The fact is this is not the first virus to originate in China bringing death to other countries in human history. Something is wrong with China.

[Coola Yagami]

China is ****ed up and I hope after all this Hollywood stops catering to them and making their movie depend on 'whether or not China will get offended'. I know everyone cares more about money than morals but I would love to be making some sort of movie and have some Chinese bigwig be like 'I'm not sure of the Chinese audience would..." and I'd cut them off saying "YOU GUYS GOT UNDER LOCKDOWN FOR A MONTH, THE HELL WITH WHAT YOUR AUDIENCE THINKS".

[Leo656]

If nothing else, this is a great argument for why the "Cultural differences" horse sh*t needs to stop, be it in China or anywhere. Too much f*cked up sh*t happens every day and people ignore it because of "cultural differences".

Some human beings marry and impregnate ten-year olds because of what part of the world they were born in. "Cultural differences". Human beings beat women to death for speaking to a man in public. "Cultural differences". Human beings live in fear of gang violence, rape and murder because an impotent government is not-so-secretly run by cocaine kingpins. "Cultural differences". Human beings eat infected animals and unleash a plague. "Cultural differences". Human beings "play God" and tinker with biological weapons so as to stem the rising tide of overpopulation and they think they can contain it. "Cultural differences".

I'm REALLY sick of some people in parts of the world acting like it's still the goddamn Dark Ages, and other people, in their "compassion and understanding", hand-waving it away as "cultural differences". It's just as racist as anything else, implying "Well, they just don't know any better, and they deserve to preserve their 'culture'," when in 2020 people goddamn do know better, or should.

Calling a Chinese virus "the Chinese virus" isn't racist or "othering", it's a statement. It came from China, period. Some of us aren't entirely convinced it wasn't at least a little bit "accidentally on purpose" to begin with. Silence or thin out the protestors, "get back at Trump", who even knows. Like they even need a reason! All anyone needs to do is pick up a newspaper at any point in the last several decades to realize that sh*t there is SERIOUSLY out of control, and they only get away with it because 3/4 of the world survives off of their slave labor while acting like we don't know it goes on.

THIS is what happens when you elevate a country with such a terrible human rights track record into a global super-power based on nothing but the fact that they have a billion people willing to literally sell themselves into slavery so that you can have cheap sneakers and cell phones.

Let people call it "The Chinese virus". Whatever it takes to get people to STOP looking the other way and START holding people accountable. It's tragic that it had to come to THIS before someone took a look at China and said, "Y'know... there's something wrong with the way those people live." It was easy to turn a blind eye when the entire f*cking planet wasn't on lockdown. But now that we are, I say let the "credit" fall where it's been earned.

"Othering"? They unleashed a f*cking plague. I don't care if their feelings are hurt.

[TommyT]

I'm getting excited. This is getting exciting.

[Leo656]

Like a "Rome burns, Nero fiddles" kinda thing, or...?

My wife and her Dad just got into a fistfight, so yeah, this lockdown sh*t ain't even "officially" started yet and I'm already over it. Jesus Christ.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Like a "Rome burns, Nero fiddles" kinda thing, or...?

My wife and her Dad just got into a fistfight, so yeah, this lockdown sh*t ain't even "officially" started yet and I'm already over it. Jesus Christ.

Who was the heel and who was the face? Was it just a work?

[Leo656]

He's dealing with the situation by getting drunk and screaming at people, as usual. He hasn't had any alcohol for about a week so he's been fine, but he went to the liquor store earlier when he went out for groceries, so he's been tanked and screaming since 8pm or so. My wife was outside with the dog and he went outside to yell at her and call her names, as he does when he gets bored. He was also following his wife around the house calling her a "stupid c*nt" and when she said she wasn't feeling well, he joked that he hoped she dies. My wife was apparently in the bathroom and yelled at him to knock it off, then when she came out of the bathroom he slapped her in the face, so she threw him on the ground. I was upstairs eating so by the time I got downstairs all I saw was him on the ground hollering about wanting everyone arrested.

I didn't see the altercation but she and her mom swear by it, and her face is red and puffy on one side. They took pictures. I told him if I'd seen it, he'd be in the f*cking ground, and that 1% reasonable doubt is the only thing keeping him alive right now.

I had to take the phone away and hide it because the last time he went around hitting people, I spent the night in jail because his name is the one on the lease. That time, the cops literally said that since it's his house, he can do or say whatever he wants, up to and including terroristic threats and even physical violence, and since then they've repeatedly insisted upon that, even though we've had to call the cops on him no less than a dozen times in the past few months. "Well, maybe he did say that, and maybe he did hit you, but it's his house, so if he wants you guys out or for us to arrest you, we have to do what he says, not what you say." Awesome! His wife's been talking about selling the house and the three of us abandoning him to rot in the gutter somewhere, but who knows what's gonna happen with all of that NOW. He's still downstairs screaming at the top of his lungs at nobody.

REMEMBER, kids! "Addicts" are NOT terrible, selfish people who deserve to rot in the ground for the suffering they willingly inflict on other people through their selfish and cruel actions... they have PROBLEMS, and therefore deserve our compassion, sympathy, and respect! He's NOT a monster who drinks because he thinks it's fun to terrorize people, who used to beat his other daughter so often that she up and disappeared once upon a time, oh my lord, NO... his Mommy probably yelled at him or something when he was little, and his Daddy probably had a few too many sometimes, as well, so this all really isn't HIS fault! Just because he's a 60-something adult who'd been warned numerous times by everyone from the police to the doctor that he can't keep acting like this doesn't mean he HAS to take any responsibility for his actions! That would be cruel! HE'S the victim, you guys! He has a DISEASE!

Christ. Not one person on this planet would even notice he was gone and the world would literally be a better place without one more scumbag in it. BUT. Were I to commit the act of public service of twisting his head around backwards for slapping his daughter in the face, *I* would go to jail. "Justice".

SO YEAH, being on lockdown for the next few weeks with this sh*t boiling over is gonna be a super-fun treat, especially when we run out of money and food! I can't wait to start reading the news about all the murders starting, because lord knows a LOT of people out there live in conditions even worse than this. Domestic violence is about to skyrocket on a global scale any day now, because some people have only survived this long because they were able to temporarily get out of the house and escape this kinda sh*t, and now they can't. People are trapped.

"Addicts". Feh. Kill 'em all, waste of f*cking resources. You'll never hear me say different.

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by Sumac

As they say in your fragile circles, educate yourself.
Unpack this, be better, oh sweetie, yadda, yadda, yadda...

Of course, I fully expect that you will deflect it with something stupid like "but it is their traditions and culture! evul white ppl shouldn't dictate pure and honorable chinese people how to live their lives!". Never mind, that if someone did something like that market in US or Europe you'd be writing angry posts about how those markets should be closed because of how dangerous they are.

Dude settle the hell down. I thought you were insinuating that the Chinese government created and released this virus into the public. Also look up "Transference" you keep transferring attributes and ideals of one set of people on to another without cause....

also you call me fragile? You are the one who just lashed out and snapped back at me, resorting to insulting me by insinuating and labeling me as "fragile".

If you cannot keep your emotions in check leave the thread.... and that goes for everyone! People get too butt hurt around when their opinions or world view conflicts with someone else's.

[Voltron]

Originally Posted by Leo656

THIS is what happens when you elevate a country with such a terrible human rights track record into a global super-power based on nothing but the fact that they have a billion people willing to literally sell themselves into slavery so that you can have cheap sneakers and cell phones.

You’re talking from a country that’s been violating human rights for decades, Leo. We also under pay our workers. That’s why you’re hoping that fixed income holds out.

Originally Posted by Leo656

Let people call it "The Chinese virus". Whatever it takes to get people to STOP looking the other way and START holding people accountable.

I’d agree with you, but this is causing serious damage to people. Asian Americans are facing increased prejudice in the form of assaults and harassment due to the mislabeling.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

... for allowing the wholesale trapping and eating of wild animals to go on, unabated, right? And the argument could even be made, "There isn't enough food there! They have no choice but to resort to eating bats!" But even there, it comes right back to "it's the fault of the Chinese government."

Right. Because no one eats anything "weird" anywhere else. Or people aren't hungry anywhere else.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

My only wish is that all the "Not my president!" people mail the check back. Because why shouldn't they?

Actually, you should mail it to me. I’m finally vindicated by your own heroes. You should be protesting their betrayal of your values, Andrew.

Originally Posted by IMJ

Dude that's going on my facebook page....

From one page to the other. Andrew is not that witty.

Originally Posted by Sumac

Yes, it is a Chinese virus, because, it came from China. And it came to be because of the poor sanitation of the Chinese markets and habit of Chinese people to eat various ****,

Ok, this is going to be fun.

Originally Posted by IMJ

It's absolutely a Chinese virus and leftist mouth breathers who can't accept it are wrong twice.

I’m really glad he said this. Because. . .

Originally Posted by IMJ

It is a "Chinese virus" in fact as it's origination was factually in China, until proven otherwise.
It is a "Chinese virus" in the pejorative use of the term as it originated from a disgusting, unkempt meat market born purely of the most disgusting, unclean and down trodden aspect of Chinese culture as opposed to any of the good aspects of the culture.

This implies that viruses start due to the unsanitary, barbaric behavior of the local people.

Carry this over to swine flu, which started in the American mid west, and IMJ (from the midwest) just called his family filthy savages.

Now, I don't believe that's true. But why IMJ would openly say that is beyond me. Maybe it's because he, like the rest of the brain trust demanding the Chinese take the blame for this, are not the brain trust they want to be.

It doesn't matter. What matters is that it is racist. Demonstrably so. And when you try to disprove that, you end up making ambiguous claims about your family's relationship with pigs.

I'd caution you against that.

Crying and calling it racist that it's being called a chinese virus even though that's where the current strain started is even worse.

Not really. I've already pointed out why you're all wrong. Again. And until IMJ and the rest of you racists learn some respect (and IMJ is kept from pigs), I’m going to have to mod a little harder.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Redeemer

I thought you were insinuating that the Chinese government created and released this virus into the public.

They might've. I've seen just as much "proof" that they didn't as there is "proof" that they did. That's the problem when a country's government controls absolutely all of the information. Nobody "knows" anything.

Under the circumstances, I really don't see any problem with anyone speculating about the very real possibility that it was man-made. We don't know, and there are an awful lot of "coincidences" involved in this scenario. And frankly, I don't believe in "coincidence" in the first place, especially not a whole chain of them.

We'll probably never know. But you can't blame people for wanting to know, and not just dismissing theories because they might be "mean". Anything is possible, up to and including that this was something they engineered and lost control of. You can't say "That's impossible". It's incredibly possible.

I mean, let's assume someone ate some diseased wild animal. It most likely wasn't the Very First Time. Why would THIS time be the one that unleashed the virus? Is that really so much easier to believe than the idea someone dropped a beaker, or didn't close a door, or wash their hands properly? Frankly, THAT, to me, is a lot easier to believe, rather than "Yeah, some dude ate a bat or something and now it's a global plague." That seems... convenient.

Like I said, we'll probably never know, but I have to laugh when people act like they do. If they DID make it on purpose, you really think they'd tell us? They arrested the people who knew about it first, who claimed the government made it and that they were in on it, and some of those people are dead. That's a whole story in itself. But sure, maybe someone just ate some bad meat. MAYBE.

At this point, I barely even care, other than, we need to ensure it doesn't happen again. Good f*cking luck.

[Voltron]

[QUOTE=Leo656;1840129]

That's a whole story in itself. But sure, maybe someone just ate some bad meat. MAYBE.

I still like the "filthy people" theory. Makes me laugh harder.

Originally Posted by Leo656

We need to stop this from happening again

So with social safety nets and better infrastructure? Maybe access to healthcare? Or is that too pink?

[Krutch]

Originally Posted by IMJ

You figure they'd put Pre-Production on the back burner to put resources into something that's currently moving and working already...

Can you explain that logic to me? I don't work in film, so there's probably something there to it, but most of the time someone with money would cut there losses and come back later and stick with what's already moving for the time being.

Sorry for the late reply but I'm not really around these parts as much these days.

I think the reasoning, and I'm just guessing based on the calls I was part of, is that since we were so early in pre-production there was only a small handful of us at the office, somewhere around 15, so the risk factor wasn't as high when compared to a Production that had a full crew.

MikeandRaph87, your inbox is full so I'll post my reply here. I'm am/was working on a Netflix feature shooting in Vancouver. Honestly, after Riverdale shut down it was basically dominos for all productions here. We spent a whole day in conference calls making sure we weren't getting shut down just to be emailed on our way home not to come in tomorrow. At least we're being paid for two weeks to sit at home. Lots of people didn't even get that.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Voltron

You’re talking from a country that’s been violating human rights for decades, Leo. We also under pay our workers. That’s why you’re hoping that fixed income holds out.

Whew. I love you, brother, but there's a HUGE gap between US workers being "under-paid" when there are people getting $15 an hour to do a monkey's job (when they're not so much "underpaid" as it is more that rents and mortgages cost too much; nobody SHOULD get $15 an hour for putting cheese on a f*cking bun, I'm sorry, but by all means, lower the cost of living, that's something we'll agree on), which is the US version of what you're talking about, and literal children on the other side of the world losing their fingers in Nike sweatshops for two cents a day. And when I hear anyone whine about "violations of human rights" in the US, it's usually some junkie with a needle in their arm bitching that The Man wants them to get their sh*t together and stop being a public nuisance and/or health hazard. We're not seeing government thugs smashing people's heads in with bricks for having the audacity to criticize their own government. That's Over There, NOT Over Here.

The US and China ain't even playing the same sport when it comes to who treats its people worse. C'mon, guy.

I agree that it's not good that Chinese and Asian people are being attacked and assaulted because of what one country's government probably did, BUT... well... For three years, I've watched people loudly advocate for assaulting anyone wearing a Trump hat, anything from "punch Nazis" (with anyone who isn't a Democrat being a "Nazi" by default) to "Shoot the President", all without any irony whatsoever, and I've even seen little kids gang-assaulted and beaten so badly on the school bus just for wearing a red hat... "because they deserve it", so... Tit for Tat, I guess?

Like, I personally don't think violence should be used unless someone hits you first, after which all bets are off. BUT, Liberals and progressives have been advocating violence over Words and Ideas for a very long time now, so they have no moral high ground to claim at the moment. They can't act outraged if people are getting beaten up for bad reasons, when they've been TELLING people to beat people up for bad reasons for years now. THIS is where that "Punch Nazis" sh*t gets everyone. I've been trying to calmly explain that to my friends on FB who've been loudly calling for violent anarchists to overthrow the government for years: "It's all well and good to incite violence until people you DON'T wanna see getting punched in the face are getting punched in the face. Nobody should be punching anyone."

I agree, violent racist outbursts are not good. I am not happy that is happening. The virus still came from China, regardless. I simply wish people understood that it's not a problem you can punch away. But I knew it was only a matter of time. Human beings are inherently tribal. ALL human existence is about "Us vs. Them". Always was, always will be. That's why it's not going to get better; it's in our DNA, and you see how little it takes to bring it out of us. Doesn't even have to be racial; we advocate violence and death because someone wears a red hat. And we wonder why we can't be civil, why we look for "bogeymen" to take a swing at when we feel helpless? We're animals. And right now, the animals are confused, helpless, and scared.

Originally Posted by Voltron

I still like the "filthy people" theory. Makes me laugh harder.


So with social safety nets and better infrastructure? Maybe access to healthcare? Or is that too pink?

Maybe don't act like third-world barbarians? I did just see a study that heavily implies that it DID come from eating bats. Okay then. WHAT RATIONAL F*CKING PERSON DOES SH*T LIKE THAT?

It's like I was watching some show on Discovery Channel recently, and the host dude was in some local village and they invited him to take part in an ancient ritual in which they all drank a bunch of cow's blood, which was poured into a cup straight from the jugular vein. And I'm sitting here thinking, "YEAH, wow, nothing like a big cup'a AIDS blood to make me feel like one'a you guys."

Sure, better healthcare. Social safety nets. Fine. People ALSO need to look at what year it is and stop acting like its 500 years ago, and writing it off as "Cultural Differences". Government-run healthcare isn't the solution when some idiot looks at a rabid animal and thinks it'll make a tasty treat. That's a f*cking End-User Problem.

There ARE no "cultural differences", we're all human beings. What affects one, affects all. Someone's scumbag behavior in another hemisphere creates a butterfly effect that kills people half a world away. If a person needs to be TOLD, "Don't eat bats, dude," then THAT PERSON is a f*cking idiot, and whoever raised or taught them needs to be held accountable for putting sh*t like that in their head, whether it's their parents or their government or who the f*ck EVER. Same thing for child-wives, honor killings, and all the other horse sh*t. It ALL needs to go out with the trash. It only persists because of "cultural differences", and because telling people that it's not okay to eat diseased and infected meat is "racist" because they've been doing it forever and it never turned out poorly until now. IT'S COMMON SENSE! JESUS! It's like telling someone to wipe their ass is "racist". "Well, some countries don't have indoor plumbing." YEAH, WELL, those countries not-too-coincidentally are run by drug kingpins and terrorists, maybe get your f*cking priorities straight and not let people like that be in power, and then you'll HAVE good things.

Sh*t like this more than anything makes me think sometimes that a One World Government is the only solution. I don't WANT that, but... when so much of the world's ills are simply due to "cultural differences", well... then maybe "culture" needs to go away and we all need to agree on what year it is, and what The Rules are.

Because ultimately, that's the only way any of this stops. If some people are SO stupid, that they don't know better than to eat f*cking bats, then a New World Order really is the only way. One race, one language, one economy, and ONE set of rules for all of humanity to live by. If the alternative is death and anarchy, well... maybe it's better that way.

I don't know.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Voltron

You’re talking from a country that’s been violating human rights for decades, Leo. We also under pay our workers. That’s why you’re hoping that fixed income holds out.



I’d agree with you, but this is causing serious damage to people. Asian Americans are facing increased prejudice in the form of assaults and harassment due to the mislabeling.





Right. Because no one eats anything "weird" anywhere else. Or people aren't hungry anywhere else.



Actually, you should mail it to me. I’m finally vindicated by your own heroes. You should be protesting their betrayal of your values, Andrew.



From one page to the other. Andrew is not that witty.



Ok, this is going to be fun.


I’m really glad he said this. Because. . .



This implies that viruses start due to the unsanitary, barbaric behavior of the local people.

Carry this over to swine flu, which started in the American mid west, and IMJ (from the midwest) just called his family filthy savages.

Now, I don't believe that's true. But why IMJ would openly say that is beyond me. Maybe it's because he, like the rest of the brain trust demanding the Chinese take the blame for this, are not the brain trust they want to be.

It doesn't matter. What matters is that it is racist. Demonstrably so. And when you try to disprove that, you end up making ambiguous claims about your family's relationship with pigs.

I'd caution you against that.



Not really. I've already pointed out why you're all wrong. Again. And until IMJ and the rest of you racists learn some respect (and IMJ is kept from pigs), I’m going to have to mod a little harder.

facepalms at the incredible level of argumentative stupidity and inaccuracy and leaps in logic and circular thinking in this post. There's so much of it here that it's literally not worth my time in any fashion to dissect, disprove or demonstrate how far gone your entire reply here was. And what's worse is that I am so confident that you really believe you're right.

You can't hide your bad argument behind a "racist label", but if stating the origins of the virus issue, and the conditions which released it into a human population is racist, then I am proudly that according to your use of the label. There is no social crime in saying that a pandemic originated from where it originated and having some disgust at the conditions through which it was introduced as a problem. The real social crime is censoring conversations by virtue of your opinion or shutting down conversations through phony shame tactics like calling someone a racist.

And Voltron? You're using that term "racist" pretty liberally. Are you confident that your own online behaviors and commentary and history is that airtight that it wouldn't succumb to the current socio-political-work climate that you use here as a manipulation so frequently? Is your own posting and screen capped history so airtight that you'd be open to anyone in your home, education, work or social life reading an appropriately cultivated history of online postings, group joining, incoherent ramblings, etc but you'd be exonerated for it in the current social and work climate?

If it were tested in real life, how would you fare? What if your online history and behavior wound up "cancelling" you? What if your online history got you labeled you as a racist and you were fired for it? It's easy to do nowadays when people have the same standards as you have employed here, right? Would you still employ those phony tactics on other people? Do you think that you are immune to the phony arguments and manipulations that you've employed here in interactions with other people? The ease by which people pencil whip these things? Do you think that someone can't demonstrate your "racism" or "bullying" or whatever easily pencil whipped nonsense manipulators use nowadays to have people or conversation "cancelled"? Do you think your own tactics can't be flung against you to impact your life?

Or haven't you realized that you aren't the hero - you've simply survived so far on everyone else's tolerance. Even the people you insult. Tolerance. Ironic, isn't it? Of course this little social experiment relies on your honesty in reply. No one here has the power to use that data because you are obviously anonymous on the Ninja Turtles forum, but the point stands. But can you fess up to your own ******** without the real threat of this held to your head? I doubt it. But think about it at night when you go to sleep and aren't online.

[TommyT]

I'm betting on April 1st. I'm thinking we need to start a pool, make it interesting...