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[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

The funny part is, most of the new-gen stories aren't even new or fresh. I've read so many reboots, ret-cons, and even alternate-universe takes on heroes that after a while, it is just the same thing, done with a different "spin". There are exceptions, of course. Marvel's Noir books were an amazing new take on some old characters done in a 1940's film-noir style, and the characters were the SAME ONES as the main MU, but with different backstories and edgier personas, new costumes, and a different setting, and it was GREAT! Same with the 1602 setting storyline. Imagine Spider-Man and the Hulk in early colonial New World. Virginia Colony, in the time of Queen Elizabeth I's last days. It was fantastic. So I'm not against taking old characters and doing something new or different, but why even bother with the NAME, if it's not the same character at all??! Might as well give them a new name altogether.

look all I'm saying is, I don't care.

I don't care if another character is taking over the mantle of another character. As long as the character is cool and interesting what does it matter?

[Leo656]

On the other hand: If there's nothing wrong with an existing character, why arbitrarily put them on a shelf and replace them?

Like, when they re-introduced Superboy back in 1993, I thought he was a great character, and he is. But if they had left Superman dead and had his teenage clone fully replace him in all the books? Holy sh*t, that'd be awful. Not every idea justifies itself just by being thought up, basically. "Why not?", to me, isn't a good enough reason to do make a drastic change to something a lot of people are familiar with and emotionally invested in.

Not that you can't *ever*, but there should actually be a little substance to it. I mean, like you said, it worked with Wally over Barry. But to be fair, Wally'd been in the books forever and the idea of him replacing Barry one day was kind of all but looked at as inevitable by the time it actually happened. That was an example where it worked out great, but it wasn't something they just suddenly sprung on people one day, either.

[MikeandRaph87]

Its a matter of opinion. I prefer to keep the iconic version of a character in the same identity but have different things done with that person just do not take away apart of who they are. Peter Parker is Spider-Man no matter what. Same can be said for many characters. I don't care for Dick Grayson as Nightwing for example but love him as Robin. Not need to take away their other identity. A similar character can come up with a different name when he/she is created. Blackbat instead of Batgirl. The Batgirl title belongs to Barbara Gordon. So on.

What villains might we see? Please do not say Green Goblin. I am open to any villain especially one not yet adapted. We already have seen aside form GG, Doc Ock, Venom, Sandman, Lizard, Sandman, and Rhino. Perhaps have Vincent D'Onofrio as Kingpin adapted into a Marvel film if only a cameo? Mysterio? Scroprion? Shocker in a cameo?

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by Leo656

On the other hand: If there's nothing wrong with an existing character, why arbitrarily put them on a shelf and replace them?

Like, when they re-introduced Superboy back in 1993, I thought he was a great character, and he is. But if they had left Superman dead and had his teenage clone fully replace him in all the books? Holy sh*t, that'd be awful. Not every idea justifies itself just by being thought up, basically. "Why not?", to me, isn't a good enough reason to do make a drastic change to something a lot of people are familiar with and emotionally invested in.

Not that you can't *ever*, but there should actually be a little substance to it.

Easy, after a while the same character gets boring. Well not "boring" but...well you can't be a superhero forever and writers I'm sure get tired of having to adjust to a character's whole life especially with all their baggage.

If we never replaced heroes we'd never get Barry or Wally....we'd still be with Jay.

and I want it to be done right too I don't just it to happen and it be terrible.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

What villains might we see?

Mysterio.

Dead serious, I wanna see giant fishbowl helmet Mysterio, like soooo bad.

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

Easy, after a while the same character gets boring.

Hah, to you possibly. I've never once in all my years of reading comics with Clark as Superman or Bruce as Batman, ever thought to myself, "This would be a lot more fun if tomorrow it was a totally different guy." I've definitely enjoyed all the "Elseworlds" and "What-If?" type stories they've done over the years, and other little stories where one of them was "replaced" temporarily, but never once did any of them make me go, "Wow, I wish this was the new status quo."

Could be just you, I'unno. I like seeing Grayson as Batman once in a while, for example, but it'd be a stretch for it to be a permanent kind of thing.

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Mysterio.

Dead serious, I wanna see giant fishbowl helmet Mysterio, like soooo bad.



Hah, to you possibly. I've never once in all my years of reading comics with Clark as Superman or Bruce as Batman, ever thought to myself, "This would be a lot more fun if tomorrow it was a totally different guy." I've definitely enjoyed all the "Elseworlds" and "What-If?" type stories they've done over the years, and other little stories where one of them was "replaced" temporarily, but never once did any of them make me go, "Wow, I wish this was the new status quo."

Could be just you, I'unno. I like seeing Grayson as Batman once in a while, for example, but it'd be a stretch for it to be a permanent kind of thing.

I see how some characters won't work like Superman

but there are so many that do and I'm open to them. (and even to a new Superman if done right)

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

Its a matter of opinion. I prefer to keep the iconic version of a character in the same identity but have different things done with that person just do not take away apart of who they are. Peter Parker is Spider-Man no matter what. Same can be said for many characters. I don't care for Dick Grayson as Nightwing for example but love him as Robin. Not need to take away their other identity. A similar character can come up with a different name when he/she is created. Blackbat instead of Batgirl. The Batgirl title belongs to Barbara Gordon. So on.

What villains might we see? Please do not say Green Goblin. I am open to any villain especially one not yet adapted. We already have seen aside form GG, Doc Ock, Venom, Sandman, Lizard, Sandman, and Rhino. Perhaps have Vincent D'Onofrio as Kingpin adapted into a Marvel film if only a cameo? Mysterio? Scroprion? Shocker in a cameo?

Exactly. This is what I've been saying all along, too. Why replace them just for something new? Why not just give the new character a different name and let them BOTH be used in their own stories? Would be even more interesting that way, as they might argue or have different ideas how to do the hero thing, and maybe different beliefs about key issues. Like one might not have any problems with collateral damage being dealt, or sacrificing one person to save others, and the other would be really ticked off by that attitude. I'd rather read that than see a character's name get tacked onto someone else just because "He's new and different!".

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

Easy, after a while the same character gets boring. Well not "boring" but...well you can't be a superhero forever and writers I'm sure get tired of having to adjust to a character's whole life especially with all their baggage.

If we never replaced heroes we'd never get Barry or Wally....we'd still be with Jay.

and I want it to be done right too I don't just it to happen and it be terrible.

The only reason characters get boring is because the writer doesn't know what to do with them, or how to use them in an interesting way. It's not the character's fault, either, it's the writer's. Sometimes writers just run out of ideas, or they get so overwhelmed by the character's history that they miss great story threads that could be used to do some really great arcs.

Also, characters DO get replaced- eventually. But by next-gen ones who are usually their own kids. Young Avengers, anyone? Avengers Next? Spider-Girl? We've already got plenty of these. But we're talking decades IN-STORY here. Most superhero stories don't progress beyond the ten-year mark. Then they usually get the ret-con treatment.

And speaking as someone who's done the superhero comic story thing (wish it was published, but....) I spent the better part of five years on Red-Back, and he never got boring no matter how long I worked on him. Actually, I even took him LITERALLY from birth to age 18, and some of my best issues with him were from before he even WAS a superhero! Or just simple "day in the life" tales. My favorite story I did with him was one where he caught a burglar breaking into an upscale apartment. The guy had had a string of bad luck starting from his youth, and Hunter spent the entire issue just talking with the guy, hearing his story and why he did what he did. And instead of taking him in and handing him to the cops (like he'd intended to do) Red-Back (Hunter is his real name) takes him to a friend of his and gets him a job. So he won't lose his little girl. That story won awards over on the Marvel boards back when they still had them, and not a single punch was ever thrown. No big bad villains, no threats to the world- just a guy down on his luck and desperate, doing something illegal to survive.

Hunter is Peter's son, in case anyone's wondering. A TRUE legacy character, but I never once even considered calling him "Spider-Boy" or "Spider-Man", because I wanted him to be his own character, not a rehash of Peter with a new identity.

Originally Posted by Leo656

Mysterio.

Dead serious, I wanna see giant fishbowl helmet Mysterio, like soooo bad.

Hah, to you possibly. I've never once in all my years of reading comics with Clark as Superman or Bruce as Batman, ever thought to myself, "This would be a lot more fun if tomorrow it was a totally different guy." I've definitely enjoyed all the "Elseworlds" and "What-If?" type stories they've done over the years, and other little stories where one of them was "replaced" temporarily, but never once did any of them make me go, "Wow, I wish this was the new status quo."

Could be just you, I'unno. I like seeing Grayson as Batman once in a while, for example, but it'd be a stretch for it to be a permanent kind of thing.

Yup. ditto to all of this. And I'd LOVE to see Mysterio finally get a movie!

[BabyTurtles]

eh I guess this is the point where we agree to disagree. XD

I just can't see it your way.

[Cure]

Straight white males of future generations are gonna have it rough, man.

[plastroncafe]

Back of the bus for them.

[NinjaPug]

Too bad these comic creators back in the day didn't have the foresight to create more minority characters.

[plastroncafe]

It is my understanding that they tried, but being as they were being raked over the coals contractually it's not as though they had a whole lot of choice.

I mean let's face it, every single super hero character is a ripoff of Superman. a copy of a copy of a copy so many times they barely resemble the original, but they are still rip off.

me personally? I prefer a Superman that flies, and doesn't just leap tall buildings in a single bound. I like that Carol Danvers is now Captain Marvel, and Kamala ms marvel.

I like change, and shaking up the dynamic. But then that's why I'm not a conservator, but rather a transformative.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by NinjaPug

Too bad these comic creators back in the day didn't have the foresight to create more minority characters.

They did. John Stewart in the 70's, Cyborg, Beast Boy, etc.

There's always been minorities and tons of female superheroes. People just turn a blind eye to them for whatever reason.

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

They did. John Stewart in the 70's, Cyborg, Beast Boy, etc.

There's always been minorities and tons of female superheroes. People just turn a blind eye to them for whatever reason.

....BeastBoy? For what, green people?

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I think his actual ethnicity might be black, but not sure. His green color is a mutation, and part of his powers. Sort of like Kurt is German, but he's blue. Or the Hindu kid from New Mutants, who is purple.

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

I think his actual ethnicity might be black, but not sure. His green color is a mutation, and part of his powers. Sort of like Kurt is German, but he's blue. Or the Hindu kid from New Mutants, who is purple.

Pretty sure BB is a red-head.

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

I think his actual ethnicity might be black, but not sure.

He isn't. Gar "Beast Boy" Logan was white before he got his powers.

[plastroncafe]

in Young Justice canon he got his abilities from I think a blood transfusion from Ms Martian. I believe he and his mother were studying animals in Africa at the time, but they were both white.

[CyberCubed]

I forgot Beast Boy was white. For some reason I thought he was hispanic. Probably the way he acted around Cyborg made me think that.

[Cure]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I forgot Beast Boy was white. For some reason I thought he was hispanic. Probably the way he acted around Cyborg made me think that.

Uuuuuuuuugh.