Corona Virus/Dow Jones taking a hit/possible recession

[IndigoErth]

If anyone with a local Aldi store is looking for toilet paper, check there. Mine actually had some. Was disappearing, but probably a recent shipment.

Their stock was still pretty decent. Getting a bit slim in some areas compared to other times I've been there, but still got most of what I went for. (Toilet paper wasn't originally on that list, but when you see someone walking out with a pack of it you don't hesitate... lol)

[Voltron]

I think it's more for people who can't pay the bills due to being out of work, not so much having death matches for TP.

It's a weird thing to see after arguing that there was no way we could pay for something like that.

That being said, I do think it'll jump the economy a bit if they time it right. Poor people don't invest money. They spend it. Which means a higher demand for goods which means more hires which means a positive feedback loop.

Here's hoping it works out.

[AquaParade]

My understanding is that it is meant to be a bit of a circular solution - you can even use it for things you don't "need", because the point is to stimulate the economy. Yeah, you might not need a Happy Gilmore DVD, but it helps business keep their doors open.

I'm no expert on the matter. Still learning.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Voltron

It's a weird thing to see after arguing that there was no way we could pay for something like that.

It's a weird thing to see you not understanding the basic difference between a two or three month stopgap for the working class because of a pandemic vs. a permanent way of life for all, even Hobo Joe who refuses to apply for any jobs.

[IndigoErth]

*facepalm* Is this real? Totally unnecessary dog whistle much?

https://twitter.com/jabinbotsford/st...01140141879298

Jabin Botsford
@jabinbotsford
Close up of President @realDonaldTrump notes is seen where he crossed out "Corona" and replaced it with "Chinese" Virus as he speaks with his coronavirus task force today at the White House. #trump #trumpnotes

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[MsMarvelDuckie]

Why is the typeface so big? Are his eyes going bad? And that is just cringeworthy regardless. Not a racist, my left foot!

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

It what happens when the requirements for being a cop in the States are hilariously low, and got super short education period.

You have know idea how difficult it is to become a law-enforcement officer for a mid or major department such as State Police. It is insanely difficult to get on and you have to learn a ridiculous amount of material in a short amount of time.
Now small cities on the other hand.....

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Why is the typeface so big? Are his eyes going bad? And that is just cringeworthy regardless. Not a racist, my left foot!

It kind of reminds me of the font size used in the early learning reading books for kids. lol

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Leo656

"Addicts". Feh. Kill 'em all, waste of f*cking resources. You'll never hear me say different.

You have my sympathy. I've dealt with similar stuff for a large part of my life and I've got to the same conclusion.

Of course, some people will cry "b-b-but they just need more compassion and empathy", but I think those people never dealt with several years of abuse at the hands of the same person, despite your desperate pleads for them to stop.

It is easy to pretend that you are nigh-saint and full of compassion and empathy...until some freak turns your life into nightmare for several years in the row.

Originally Posted by Redeemer

Dude settle the hell down. I thought you were insinuating that the Chinese government created and released this virus into the public. Also look up "Transference" you keep transferring attributes and ideals of one set of people on to another without cause....

I've got facts for you and your answer is: "you are transferring **** on people".

I do not blame all people of China, I blame only those who were trading and eating ****, as well, as their government for doing nothing about it. It has nothing to do with race.

If you see here "racism" than it is you who are racist, because, you are automatically assume that culture = race and that all Chinese has the same culture.

Originally Posted by Redeemer

also you call me fragile? You are the one who just lashed out and snapped back at me, resorting to insulting me by insinuating and labeling me as "fragile".

If you consider that an insult, I dreading to think how you'll react to REAL insults. Must be some fascinating breakdowns.

Originally Posted by Voltron

Right. Because no one eats anything "weird" anywhere else. Or people aren't hungry anywhere else.

Show me market of roadkills in USA and places in the country where people are treating them as a normal food.

Also, "people are hungry" is a nonsense deflection. If your "food" potentially can kill yourself and cause an epidemic, you'd probably should think twice before eating it. Also, China does not live in the ****ing middle ages. They are fairly modern country with a big infrastructure.

The only reason those markets exists, because, of "tradition" and apathy or corruption of Chinese government. But, of course, we shouldn't say that, because, precious China feelings gonna be hurt. Or is it feelings of people on Internet? What about people who had died because of their negligence? What about people who will die because of it? Do you even care?

Originally Posted by Voltron

Ok, this is going to be fun.

You love facts. Well, I've got some in one of the previous posts of mine in a form of a report from the respected source about the issue.

Originally Posted by Voltron

This implies that viruses start due to the unsanitary, barbaric behavior of the local people.

Carry this over to swine flu, which started in the American mid west, and IMJ (from the midwest) just called his family filthy savages.

Now, I don't believe that's true. But why IMJ would openly say that is beyond me. Maybe it's because he, like the rest of the brain trust demanding the Chinese take the blame for this, are not the brain trust they want to be.

It doesn't matter. What matters is that it is racist. Demonstrably so. And when you try to disprove that, you end up making ambiguous claims about your family's relationship with pigs.

I'd caution you against that.

Ah yes, blaming well documented unsanitary conditions and apathy of government is racist.

People like you are responsible for Rotterham and other stuff like that. You don't care about human lives. You care only about appearance. As long as nobody says a bad word - everything's fine. People can be raped and die by the thousands, but at least no-one says a bad word and you can pretend to be a good person.
I just wonder, what it's like to live a life full of lie?

Also, your "facts" are trash. You are comparing tiny amount of cases against 200k+ infected throughout the world. And an outbreak, which had happened back in 1918. ****ing 102 years ago!!

Originally Posted by Voltron

I don't think anyone is unfamiliar with the origin of the disease. That's not what's being contested.

What I'm saying is that if I attach a name to something, it acts as an attack on everyone and everything that name is associated with.

You just confirm that you are a racist because, in your mind, putting blame on relatively few people for eating crap and bureaucrats for allowing to do so, somehow transforms into accusation against ALL Chinese.

Originally Posted by Voltron

My point is that this is a racial thing. And no amount of arguing is explaining is going to change that. It's the same as calling AIDS Gay Related Immuno Deficiency. Not really all that helpful to start pointing at homosexuals and saying "look! they're diseased!"

If that's a trolling it is a very bad one.

Originally Posted by Voltron

No, it isn't. I don't live in the United States anymore. I fled during the Obama years and moved abroad. I'm a racial minority here and no one really gives me **** for it.

Ah, why I am not surprised.

Originally Posted by Voltron

The social crime is using an umbrella term to vilify everyone in a region. The joke being that you're not in any way, shape, or form responsible for swine flu anymore than the general population of China. But we're still calling it the "Chinese virus" because. . . what? Are you saying we should force China to change the way they live? Isn't that imposing our will on another person? Are you not against that?

If they "way of life" resulted in 8000(!!!) dead in a matter of few weeks, then yes, **** their way of life. Also, general population of Hubei IS responsible for this.

I wonder, would you be so compassionate, if one of your loved ones died because of this virus? Would you still say "their way of life is precious, we shouldn't impose ourselves on them"?

Would you say that in a face of people who lost their loved ones?

And in general, would you say that to the women who suffered at the hands of religious extremists?

By your logic, people shouldn't oppose Nazis, because, it's just "their way of life".

Originally Posted by Voltron

We've had presidents who were convicted of war crimes. We also have towns with no reliable plumbing.

Towns with no reliable plumbing are not the same as market full of unsanitary **** causing thousands deaths.

Originally Posted by Voltron

Of course I'm the hero! I'm super great!

All joking aside, I do typically stand by my BS. Both in real life and online. I've been pretty gentle with you guys, too. I've reigned it in over the years.

If you want to start a hate club, you wouldn't be the first.

So much posturing.

No-one buys it.

[TommyT]

Originally Posted by Sumac

I blame only those who were trading and eating ****, as well, as their government for doing nothing about it. It has nothing to do with race.

Show me market of roadkills in USA and places in the country where people are treating them as a normal food.

Also, "people are hungry" is a nonsense deflection. If your "food" potentially can kill yourself and cause an epidemic, you'd probably should think twice before eating it. Also, China does not live in the ****ing middle ages. They are fairly modern country with a big infrastructure.

The only reason those markets exists, because, of "tradition" and apathy or corruption of Chinese government.

No-one buys it.

So you live in Russia, under a dictatorship right? You've acknowledged as much.
In your country, people only know what they are told, but are deeply aware that most of what they are told is a lie. You know this, but you are powerless to change this, right?

I mean, if you could, Putin would have never gained another 12 years. If you could, Chernobyl would have never happened.

That's not an attack, it's just pointing out that what is doesn't match what should be.

Nobody wants to admit that they're FAT. I would argue 80% of the people here, are FAT. Some are not just a little fat, some are morbidly obese.
None of them are eating bats, or more correctly Pangolins that were infected by the virus BY bats, true, but they are killing us in other ways, ways that are less immediate, but just as devastating.

Food is the culprit here, not them, for exactly the same reason. When it's cheaper to grab chips, a burger and soda, and you are living paycheck to paycheck, it's what you do. When the idea of a nutritious meal is tied to the rich, but also the boring; it is what you do.
So now, there is a pandemic that will seriously **** with you if you have an underlying health condition. Re examine what that means. UNDERLYING health condition. So, you were ALREADY sick. Being FAT is being sick. Smoking is making you bloody sick. the lifestyle, which isn't evn a choice for most of you, is making you SICK!!!!!

Okay, you could argue that the poor asshole who ate a Pangolin in China, started this crap, and that is true, those markets are a ****ing disgrace. They are revolting and putrid. I am 100% opposed to that level of cruelty, no question, but that cruelty is not isolated to those markets, and we can't pretend it's just "overthere".

We also can't ignore that the reason it's spreading so fast, has everything to do with education, diet, private healthcare, and religious idiocy.

Hell, the finger pointing and accustations in this thread alone, F*cking hell.

1. You are ALL going to get sick in the next month.
2. What is your plan?

Get ready, get focused.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by TommyT

Nobody wants to admit that they're FAT. I would argue 80% of the people here, are FAT. Some are not just a little fat, some are morbidly obese.
None of them are eating bats, or more correctly Pangolins that were infected by the virus BY bats, true, but they are killing us in other ways, ways that are less immediate, but just as devastating.

You shut your salad-eating mouth, you skinny adipose-lacking b@stard.

[TommyT]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

You shut your salad-eating mouth, you skinny adipose-lacking b@stard.

Who me?

I never said I was skinny! I've got the extra 20 I need to lose too, I did all the stupid ****, yadda yadda.

But I will point out, the reported cases in the states should be similar to Canada, for infection spread.

You're just shy of 10x our population, and we were infected around the same time.

Our population is 37 million. we have 736 cases (ATT)
Your population is 327 million. You have 10,822 cases (ATT) and you are barely testing.

So, somehow you are 15X instead of 10x.
Trudeau only closed our borders Yesterday, and not fully. Trump took steps weeks ago. I haven't even gone into mortality.

For all of you at home keeping score, this is the difference in democratic socialism, and your idea of every man for themselves.

[Andrew NDB]

[frank_one]

+427 dead in the last 24 hours in Italy.

[Leo656]

Had a conference call with the boss today. Shutdowns are expected to last at least 8 weeks in NJ. We were instructed to file for unemployment since they can't afford to give us formal "paid leave" (not surprising). Apparently they're basing what you get on what's on your W2 and not what you get paid by the hour, which is actually great news, since I and many others who make most of their money on commission were nervous about that. Granted it's been about or over 10 years since I filed but last time I did they subtracted commissions from your earnings, and apparently now they don't. So that's good news.

Part of me was starting to feel a little bit optimistic as news reports trickled out the last day or so about things in China starting to improve, BUT, as I suspected, other reports conflict that and say it's all a PR smokescreen by the Chinese government - shocker - and that things aren't improving at all. The Chinese citizens who haven't been censored and silenced by the state apparently didn't say if it was getting WORSE, but that most of the government's efforts have been to create an appearance of improvement rather than actually doing anything. Leaving businesses open with the lights on so it looks like people are working, staged photo ops of empty hospital beds, things like that. Why am I not surprised?

We're gonna have to look at Italy and see how things play out there to get any idea whatsoever, because Lord knows we are not gonna ever get a straight and honest answer about anything from goddamn China, nor should we expect to. Their only concern right now is losing their place as the world's largest manufacturer, and will do anything to protect their bottom line. So if you want The Truth, or Hope, look elsewhere. China is nothing but the bratty kid who "Totally did their homework, you guys! Must'a fallen outta their backpack because they totally had it this morning, they swear!"

I've thrown 2020 in the trash at this point. I don't think it's going to get any better whatsoever anytime soon and am sadly prepared to take this as The New Normal for the time being. I really hope I'm wrong, but things can only get worse by the day for so long before optimism just seems like a fool's errand.

That's the upside of being a pessimist, though; it can be exhausting, but it's literally Win/Win. If you predict the worst and are Right, you get to say "I told you so!" and that's always fun. And if you are Wrong, then things work out the best for everyone and that's awesome. There's pretty much no downside to being a pessimist, whereas an optimist has to deal with the crushing disappointment of daily life not living up to their hopes and dreams and expectations.

So yeah, we'll see. Fingers crossed but it ain't lookin' good.

Originally Posted by Sumac

You have my sympathy. I've dealt with similar stuff for a large part of my life and I've got to the same conclusion.

Of course, some people will cry "b-b-but they just need more compassion and empathy", but I think those people never dealt with several years of abuse at the hands of the same person, despite your desperate pleads for them to stop.

It is easy to pretend that you are nigh-saint and full of compassion and empathy...until some freak turns your life into nightmare for several years in the row.

Condolences and much obliged. Sounds like you get it completely. In my experience, only the names ever change. It's always some idiot who "Just wanted to have a good time or try something new", and then they spiral out of control and ruin countless lives while whining about how they "Didn't expect it to turn out like this! They just need HELP!" Gee, that's funny, I remember explicitly being told in Kindergarten that's exactly what was gonna happen, and "luckily" had several people in my family to serve as the worst possible example, therefore I knew better.

Meanwhile, people who hated their parents for getting drunk and beating them, are now grown-ups who get drunk and beat their kids. "They're just acting out and trying to cope! They don't know any better! Genetic predisposition! Cycles of behavior!" Yeah, yeah. They're assholes. Stupid, selfish, narcissistic assholes.

I'll have a few beers and puff some ganja, but only because it doesn't turn me into a f*cking monster or an idiot. Otherwise, I'm a serious hardliner on that kinda sh*t. You can pretty much trace every tragedy of the human condition back to drugs, and peoples' dependency on them. War, poverty, violence, homelessness... all mostly rooted in drugs in some way. Raze the coca fields in Colombia and roust all the kingpins, set up an actual infrastructure, and watch how fast the quality of life in South America improves overnight. Ain't gonna happen, but that's what it would take for those people to literally get decent living conditions in the year 2020. Makes me sick that so many people down there can't even have flushing toilets because the "Escobars" of the world hold them hostage and make them live in filth. And we look the other way, because "culture". We ought'a be dropping bombs.

Like I always say, there's answers to the world's problems. I got some. But nobody actually listens because they'd cut into their Good Time. If a solution is "too mean", then it's not worth it, so f*ck it, let people suffer. Which tells me that people like complaining more than they like actually doing anything.

[Redeemer]

[QUOTE=Redeemer;1839798] Yes, great example I am glad someone knows socialism....
Cuba is a great example of actual socialism. The Cuban government OWNS and OPERATES most industries including the production of goods. No one in this thread is advocating for the US economy to become owned and operated by the federal government. What people are wanting and advocating for is Social progression not Socialism.

Here is a website that defines the difference between the two.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dict...alism#examples[QUOTE/]

I'm ignoring facts???? What about the fact you don't know the difference between "socialism" and "social progressive" or the fact you keep misusing the term "Projecting"

Originally Posted by Sumac

You have my sympathy. I've dealt with similar stuff for a large part of my life and I've got to the same conclusion.

Of course, some people will cry "b-b-but they just need more compassion and empathy", but I think those people never dealt with several years of abuse at the hands of the same person, despite your desperate pleads for them to stop.

It is easy to pretend that you are nigh-saint and full of compassion and empathy...until some freak turns your life into nightmare for several years in the row.


I've got facts for you and your answer is: "you are transferring **** on people".

I do not blame all people of China, I blame only those who were trading and eating ****, as well, as their government for doing nothing about it. It has nothing to do with race.

If you see here "racism" than it is you who are racist, because, you are automatically assume that culture = race and that all Chinese has the same culture.


If you consider that an insult, I dreading to think how you'll react to REAL insults. Must be some fascinating breakdowns.

Your insults are like a mosquito mildly annoying, but not a threat . I was called much worse at the academy

Originally Posted by Sumac

You love facts. Well, I've got some in one of the previous posts of mine in a form of a report from the respected source about the issue.


Ah yes, blaming well documented unsanitary conditions and apathy of government is racist.

People like you are responsible for Rotterham and other stuff like that. You don't care about human lives. You care only about appearance. As long as nobody says a bad word - everything's fine. People can be raped and die by the thousands, but at least no-one says a bad word and you can pretend to be a good person.
I just wonder, what it's like to live a life full of lie?

Also, your "facts" are trash. You are comparing tiny amount of cases against 200k+ infected throughout the world. And an outbreak, which had happened back in 1918. ****ing 102 years ago!!

you are accusing other people of ignoring facts when you are the one doing it

Also I never disagreed with you that China is responsible. You snapped at me and made assumptions

[MikeandRaph87]

My school district extended to three weeks from two today and teachers are recalled in department rotation on March 31st to further plan depending on the governor since my state has just hit 100 cases. At least the department of education applied for a standardized test waiver and already waved all days missed from Coronavirus not made up. So I have my graduate work and figure out what movies to watch in the meantime. I should be ecstatic, but I ma frustrated.

[Leo656]

Me too. Very frustrated. It's not like I do much besides work anyway but I like having options.

Can't go to the craft store and buy more paints or fabric or whatever. Need rubber gloves for handling sculpting clay. Can't go to the flea market and get fodder figures for customs. I had MEANT to do all of this, and quite soon, but the option was abruptly jerked out of my hands and it's incredibly frustrating.

I will say that I am doing better than some, I suppose, in that I don't get "bored". I get depressed and sleepy and thus I waste more days than I should due to general malaise, but if anything, I have too many hobbies. Which right now is a good thing. Literally thousands of video games. 20,000 comics or more. About a thousand DVDs and Blu-rays. Piles of notebooks and sketchbooks. Stacks of board games and jigsaw puzzles. Like I say on my Good Days, I have way too much to do to even think about dying, I could live to be 200 and I'd still run out of time before I got to all the stuff I want to do. So I'm not going crazy from a lack of options.

I just don't like feeling helpless, or like I can't just do whatever I feel like. I used to be able to go grab a burger at 2am if I was inclined, now I can't. You don't realize how important those little things are until they're ripped out of your hands. And when do we get to go back to normal? Nobody knows, other than every single day, it's supposedly further and further off. The more we learn, the farther we get from "better", rather than closer. It just keeps getting worse with no end in sight. We can only "meme" this off for so long before people collectively start to snap.

Very frustrating.
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Side note: I've been meaning to re-watch this for a while, but has anyone ever seen this movie? I've been thinking about it a lot lately. It's free on YouTube. Here.


It was produced by the guys from the band Angels & Airwaves (you'd know Tom DeLonge from Blink 182). Short explanation, an astronaut goes up to work on the space station, and while he's up there the whole world comes to an end and he's trapped up there forever, with no way of getting home and no "home" to go back to, although he doesn't really know that until way later on. So the movie is about his struggle to cope and survive, and maintain some semblance of hope in the face of extreme and utter hopelessness, and the absence of the very basic human connections that we all inherently need in order to stay sane.

It's very low-budget and "artsy" in spots, but it's really powerful stuff. It's actually pretty uplifting altogether. I highly recommend it.

"There's no Seasons.... just Time."

[lonewarrior20]

well nows a good time to catch up on all those rpgs you've never finished on old consoles. I just hope I don't lose power or i'll be saying "no, it's not fair! I had time!"

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by lonewarrior20

well nows a good time to catch up on all those rpgs you've never finished on old consoles. I just hope I don't lose power or i'll be saying "no, it's not fair! I had time!"

Haha, Right? I own like, almost every single non-MMO Final Fantasy game, and I've played and finished, like, three of 'em. Along with Kingdom Hearts, Dragon Quest, etc. etc. I mean I've beaten a bunch of 'em but I always kick myself for not having played more.

I honestly haven't played much besides Smash Bros. Wii U the last week, though. Both because I really enjoy it, but also, I'm in a funk and can't really mentally commit to a "big" game until I calm down a little bit.

Wouldn't be a bad time to run through Knights of the Old Republic for the ???th time, though, either. That's another problem I have, that game is like the RPG version of crack, to me. "I'm not gonna get hooked on it again, I swear... okay, I'll beat it again this ONE time, but after that I gotta play something else..." I have never smoked crack and never will, but I understand it when people tell me, "You do it once and you spend the rest of your life wishing you were doing it, every minute of every day, forever." Because that's what KOTOR is like for me. Not my favorite game of all time and maybe not even my favorite RPG, but man, I cannot recall a single moment of playing that game that wasn't pure joy, every time. It calls to me like that stupid crystal calls to Superman in those Chris Reeve movies.

I did get some Final Fantasy games for Christmas that I really ought'a play first, though. Only right, I guess. But man, if ALL that I had was KOTOR, at least as far as RPGs, if I only owned that one and no others... I'd be alright, I think.