When fans think the original TMNT Show "Jumped the Shark." - Page 2

**Jo Dawn** · 03-25-2006, 09:00 AM

Ok, so, as for jumping the shark... Well, when I watched it originally? It didn't. Because we were young and innocent and there WAS no 'jumping the shark' when it came to the TMNT. Why do we want to look back as adults (or almost adults) and try to see where our green guys' 80's counterpoints went wrong?

Looking at it from an adult perspective will surely do two things:

Disenchant you from it, or cause a fight.

*ZariusTwo* · 03-25-2006, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael

And I don't debate people who got nothing.

Which would be you purist, keep it up, I can go all day knowing whose showing their true colours, you had no intention of debating at all. Stick what you define you know where, the condescending "Oh I'll say I'm not debating when I make snide comments with someone who was genually joking with me" tone you're displaying does not work around me. You dont' "get" the original cartoon, hence why you're so stuck up about what you define as "true" TMNT. Glad for once the mainstream outnumbers you a billion to one, I'm a comics fan myself, but the original TMNT is more "fun". Lighten up and maybe you'll see that one day

And of course I know the eyelidless looks were there since the beggining, I never liked them, I still dont', they look badly animated when interpreted on screen

Old series bashing is'nt allowed, and if you think it is, ANYONE here thinks that way, what the hell are you still doing here?

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I totally agree with you, also.

Ok, so, as for jumping the shark... Well, when I watched it originally? It didn't. Because we were young and innocent and there WAS no 'jumping the shark' when it came to the TMNT

Eeer, speak for yourself, children are'nt stupid, they see the writing on the wall when it happens, look no further than Power Rangers, Pokemon and a dozen or so others.

**Jo Dawn** · 03-25-2006, 09:26 AM

Oh I know. I worked in a school for YEARS, my dear. Children are quite familiar to me. No, they're not stupid... BUT, you have to admit that children NOW are much less naive than we were.
(And no, I wasn't nor am I now stupid... But going into all that is called bashing. And that's not allowed here.

)

Hey, I was just making a point, you know. Trying to diffuse a fight, but whatever.

*ZariusTwo* · 03-25-2006, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Jo Dawn

Oh I know. I worked in a school for YEARS, my dear. Children are quite familiar to me. No, they're not stupid... BUT, you have to admit that children NOW are much less naive than we were.

I dont' remotoley agree with that, Children go nuts over Spongebob, Winx, 4Kids dubs, and Imaginary Freinds, and there some of the worst shows conceived by mankind.

I think the only naive people are the ones who can't enjoy the original series other than "pure cheese" rather than a seperate animal with its' own way of doing things, depending on whenever they "get it" or want it to have the balance that came with Archies' run. I can watch the original series again and again, I can only watch the new series for four episodes at a time before it bores the hell out of me (and four is a pretty fair deal) I probably should not group every purist as crass narrow minded people, just the people who act like their version should be the be-all, end-all and to hell with the rest.

This went way too far, I agree, but thats' what happens with pursits of that kind, not to say all of them are like that, but the ones who are? Worst fans period, for many different reasons (and before it looks like its' limited to THIS fandom, thats' hardly the case, its' the same with a lot of fandoms, Power Rangers still have their "MMPR forever" purists etc)

**GK Punk** · 03-25-2006, 10:57 AM

*Cries and leaves the thread*

*ZariusTwo* · 03-25-2006, 11:31 AM

If its' any help....its' a little better than Crap: Lyoko

**GK Punk** · 03-25-2006, 11:40 AM

Oh man I hate that show

*ZariusTwo* · 03-25-2006, 11:51 AM

Yeah,if that show was'nt some knock off psudo-anime trying to be Reboot, I'd enjoy it.

**GK Punk** · 03-25-2006, 12:23 PM

You can't recreate something like Reboot. You just can't. And I wish people wouldn't try.

*Masked Ninja* · 03-25-2006, 06:52 PM

Am I wrong for liking both cartoon series? Each, I think, has aspects I don't like. I just focus on what I love instead. Like the serious tone of the new toon, and the better animation and attention to story... and how the old toon was cute and funny and part of my childhood. I couldn't disown either of them, really.

Guh. I hate these sort of debates. They are DIFFERENT shows, not to be compared. Yes, the new toon is closer to the Mirage comic "canon," but the old toon is hecka awesome by itself. Not to mention the old theme kicks the new theme's trash.

**Jester** · 03-25-2006, 08:57 PM

I agree with you Mask, I love the new toon for totally diffrent reasons than I like the Old Toon, heck there are even elements of NT:TNM I like...and heck the new series is out to sell toys too. I mean look at the last few episodes. Monster Hunters and Paleo-Patrol were majorly put in the show to pimp the toy line. Yes, Mirage is the source material, but the old toon took that universe and made it accesible to all kids, who could grow up with it and eventually move to the more adult Mirage world.

~~ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael~~ · 03-25-2006, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jester

I agree with you Mask, I love the new toon for totally diffrent reasons than I like the Old Toon, heck there are even elements of NT:TNM I like...and heck the new series is out to sell toys too. I mean look at the last few episodes. Monster Hunters and Paleo-Patrol were majorly put in the show to pimp the toy line. Yes, Mirage is the source material, but the old toon took that universe and made it accesible to all kids, who could grow up with it and eventually move to the more adult Mirage world.

Yes, but thats really only the real TMNT fans. The rest either still haven't heard of the Mirage comics, have but still don't read them cause theyr'e not into comics, or have but refuse to except them because theyr'e too different, or too violent.

**Jester** · 03-25-2006, 10:16 PM

And since they don't like the Mirage comics (I've only read Vol 1 Ish 1 and vol 4 1-19) they aren't true TMNT fans? I think a true fan can take any version of the TMNT and see the good in it and not deride one as too campy or cheesy. It made the TMNT media darlings.

*KROW* · 03-25-2006, 10:39 PM

Oy. What happened to this?

I'll say this about the labrynthine phrase "true fan": If you like it, you're a fan, and since it can be stated and documented as fact, you are therefore considered a "true fan" of it.

But hey, that's just a theory on my part.

**Jester** · 03-25-2006, 10:45 PM

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Oy. What happened to this?

I'll say this about the labrynthine phrase "true fan": If you like it, you're a fan, and since it can be stated and documented as fact, you are therefore considered a "true fan" of it.

But hey, that's just a theory on my part.

God bless you Krow...you always make me smile.

~~ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael~~ · 03-25-2006, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jester

And since they don't like the Mirage comics (I've only read Vol 1 Ish 1 and vol 4 1-19) they aren't true TMNT fans? I think a true fan can take any version of the TMNT and see the good in it and not deride one as too campy or cheesy. It made the TMNT media darlings.

Yes, it made them media darlings, it also branded them with certain stereotypes they may never be able to live down, and thus can never be taken as seriously as other comic characters like Batman, Superman, and Spider-Man.

**Jester** · 03-25-2006, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael

Yes, it made them media darlings, it also branded them with certain stereotypes they may never be able to live down, and thus can never be taken as seriously as other comic characters like Batman, Superman, and Spider-Man.

Batman came back to his dark roots after a campy cheesy rendition...i think the TMNT can pull it off.

*KROW* · 03-25-2006, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael

Yes, it made them media darlings, it also branded them with certain stereotypes they may never be able to live down, and thus can never be taken as seriously as other comic characters like Batman, Superman, and Spider-Man.

Dude, they're turtles. You could say the same thing about Savage Dragon and it would mean the same thing. If you were talking about Spawn or X-Men, that'd be different.

Stereotyped? The only thing I can think of when you said that is The Grinch shouting, "It's because I'm green, isn't it?!"

*ZariusTwo* · 03-25-2006, 11:24 PM

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Batman came back to his dark roots after a campy cheesy rendition...

Yeah, and people love both the dark and humerous Batman series one after the one, which is great, because both are the definitive versions if you know the comics history.

~~ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael~~ · 03-26-2006, 07:05 PM

Zarius, I wan't to apologize to you. I finally see where your'e coming from. Both versions of TMNT can be considered the definitive versions because they both have done something to help get the TMNT some recognitition.

While I still think the new toon better represents(and I would still like to debate you on that). I can see theres nothing really wrong with saying the old toon was the definative, because it kinda is in a certant way.

03-25-2006, 09:00 AM	#21
Jo Dawn Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Authority On All Things Don Posts: 5,190	Ok, so, as for jumping the shark... Well, when I watched it originally? It didn't. Because we were young and innocent and there WAS no 'jumping the shark' when it came to the TMNT. Why do we want to look back as adults (or almost adults) and try to see where our green guys' 80's counterpoints went wrong? Looking at it from an adult perspective will surely do two things: Disenchant you from it, or cause a fight. __________________

03-25-2006, 09:26 AM	#23
Jo Dawn Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Authority On All Things Don Posts: 5,190	Oh I know. I worked in a school for YEARS, my dear. Children are quite familiar to me. No, they're not stupid... BUT, you have to admit that children NOW are much less naive than we were. (And no, I wasn't nor am I now stupid... But going into all that is called bashing. And that's not allowed here. ) Hey, I was just making a point, you know. Trying to diffuse a fight, but whatever. __________________

03-25-2006, 11:31 AM	#26
ZariusTwo Overlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Britain, DINO THUNDER...POWER UP! Posts: 22,486	If its' any help....its' a little better than Crap: Lyoko __________________ Spider-Man: The Rescue Spider-Man: The Galloping Cat Spider-Man: Scarlet Mirror Doctor Who: Child of the Daleks

03-25-2006, 11:51 AM	#28
ZariusTwo Overlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Britain, DINO THUNDER...POWER UP! Posts: 22,486	Yeah,if that show was'nt some knock off psudo-anime trying to be Reboot, I'd enjoy it. __________________ Spider-Man: The Rescue Spider-Man: The Galloping Cat Spider-Man: Scarlet Mirror Doctor Who: Child of the Daleks

03-25-2006, 08:57 PM	#31
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,300	I agree with you Mask, I love the new toon for totally diffrent reasons than I like the Old Toon, heck there are even elements of NT:TNM I like...and heck the new series is out to sell toys too. I mean look at the last few episodes. Monster Hunters and Paleo-Patrol were majorly put in the show to pimp the toy line. Yes, Mirage is the source material, but the old toon took that universe and made it accesible to all kids, who could grow up with it and eventually move to the more adult Mirage world. __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

03-25-2006, 10:57 AM	#25
GK Punk I'm your Devil Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,439	Cries and leaves the thread

03-25-2006, 11:40 AM	#27
GK Punk I'm your Devil Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,439	Oh man I hate that show

03-25-2006, 12:23 PM	#29
GK Punk I'm your Devil Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,439	You can't recreate something like Reboot. You just can't. And I wish people wouldn't try.

03-25-2006, 06:52 PM	#30
Masked Ninja Doodles TMNT for fun Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: sploshin' through some sewer... Posts: 2,137	Am I wrong for liking both cartoon series? Each, I think, has aspects I don't like. I just focus on what I love instead. Like the serious tone of the new toon, and the better animation and attention to story... and how the old toon was cute and funny and part of my childhood. I couldn't disown either of them, really. Guh. I hate these sort of debates. They are DIFFERENT shows, not to be compared. Yes, the new toon is closer to the Mirage comic "canon," but the old toon is hecka awesome by itself. Not to mention the old theme kicks the new theme's trash.

03-25-2006, 10:16 PM	#33
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,300	And since they don't like the Mirage comics (I've only read Vol 1 Ish 1 and vol 4 1-19) they aren't true TMNT fans? I think a true fan can take any version of the TMNT and see the good in it and not deride one as too campy or cheesy. It made the TMNT media darlings. __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

03-25-2006, 10:39 PM	#34
KROW Meat-n-Potatoes Man Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: State's Anus, NY Posts: 6,472	Oy. What happened to this? I'll say this about the labrynthine phrase "true fan": If you like it, you're a fan, and since it can be stated and documented as fact, you are therefore considered a "true fan" of it. But hey, that's just a theory on my part. __________________ - Optimus Acid Trip - Cult of a Half-Shell - Raiden's Bitter Tongue - *I don't try to be funny; I fail at it naturally.*

03-26-2006, 07:05 PM	#40
~~ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael~~ Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Seventh Layer of Hell Posts: 1,929	Zarius, I wan't to apologize to you. I finally see where your'e coming from. Both versions of TMNT can be considered the definitive versions because they both have done something to help get the TMNT some recognitition. While I still think the new toon better represents(and I would still like to debate you on that). I can see theres nothing really wrong with saying the old toon was the definative, because it kinda is in a certant way.