Old Series Was Better

[Karpo_007]

Mondo has a one point there, Because the old show went all pokemon, 4kids tought that TMNT would sell again. And you don't listen when I say that old mutants could not be use even if they wanted to. Artisan owns the rights. And hell there are 194 episodes of the goofy TMNT, if you want to see Rocksteady, there are over 160 episodes to choose from. So stop complaining, the TMNT has gone back to it's roots, and will stay that way!

[darthsmozers]

Originally Posted by Karpo_007

And hell there are 194 episodes of the goofy TMNT

193...

Originally Posted by Karpo_007

So stop complaining, the TMNT has gone back to it's roots, and will stay that way!

Okie doke, lets all be friends

So....anyone counting down until Saturday? April O'Neil, yeah!

[Karpo_007]

Yeah Im really waiting for it.

[Holden]

You MISS the old Shredder? To each his own I suppose, but I am sick of the tired, old cliche of bumbling, incompetent villains.

I won't address any of your other points, as most of them already have been multiple times and I'm not one to beat a dead horse; but to reiterate what has been stated, you're judging the entire series on one episode. Throw in the fact that most series get better as they go along, it's not usually a good idea to judge from the first episode. I'm not saying you have to prefer this cartoon to the old one, just watch a few more eps before you pass your final verdict; you might be pleasantly surprised.

[Karpo_007]

Yes. the first episode introduces characters etc, no room for real plot yet. It is sure to get better as the plot develops.

[Mondo_Gecko]

You guys are right let me wait about 10 episodes or so before i say more. The first episode was really good though. I reminded me alot of the fist movie it's like they animated it.

[Donatello]

look nate don't take this personally, but try to get some insight from the original mirage comics before you pretend to know what your talking about

Originally Posted by Nate6422

The new Ninja Turtle series is an excellent series by today's low standards

Low Standards? look at some former tv shows, for example Batman the animated series in the 90's in comparison to the one on tvland. intensity is so important to alot of shows. sure you can make an arguement for kirby and spongebob, but those are comedy shows and purely that, action shows have intensified alot for example, batman, dbz, justicve league, samurai jack etc.


[/quote] The problem with the new series is they have made the mistake of using the comics and saying that is what Ninja Turtles is. The fact is the Ninja Turtles most people love and enjoy aren't the ones from the comics, but rather the old cartoon show.[/quote]

THAT IS WHAT THE TURTLES IS! eastman and laird created the turtles and thats how they should've stayed, don't get me worng i love the old show, but some of the episodes are downright painful to watch


[/quote] The first problem I would like to point out is the animation. It is very good by today's standards but compare it to the old series and you will see it is no where near as detailed. [/quote]

The reason they do it this way is not only because it's cheaper but its much more consistant. the old show would often change animation style out of no where. they would discolor the masks and really change character design from one part of an episode to another

[/quote] The next problem is the fact that the series have taken such a serious approach.[/quote]

it had an excellent blend of humor

[/quote] The thing that made the first series the huge success it was was that it was not so serious. Instead it was always funny and packed with action.[/quote]


WRONG the old show was not packed with action, in fact they took every chance to work around it. rather than have leo use his swords he'd cut down a chandalier and have that fall

[/quote] In the new series the turtles are still funny, but Shredder doesn't seem to be. It was always funny to see him being bossed around by Krang and to have him pick on Bebop and Rocksteady. Now, only half of the fun is there in the new series.[/quote]

the old show did a yterrible injustice to shredder, he and krang became like a whiney couple with two idiotic children

[/quote] I see no reason to fool with something that isn't broken.[/quote]

if it ain't broke where is it?

[/quote] My theory is the real villian is Fox [/quote]

Fox a villian to bring back an idea that died a decade ago and do it a true service unlike the old program?

[/quote]I can only hope that in the next season Krang, Rocksteady, and Bebop show up.[/quote]

that would destroy everythiong the new show stands for

sorry but i am a very passionate tmnt fan and this new show is perfect and any tmnt fan of the true eastman and laird comics knows it.

[Holden]

My theory is the real villian is Fox

Not to mention the fact that Fox doesn't have ANYTHING to do with how the show is made. All they do is give it a time slot and advertise.

[Mondo_Gecko]

Originally Posted by Karpo_007

Mondo has a one point there, Because the old show went all pokemon, 4kids tought that TMNT would sell again. And you don't listen when I say that old mutants could not be use even if they wanted to. Artisan owns the rights. And hell there are 194 episodes of the goofy TMNT, if you want to see Rocksteady, there are over 160 episodes to choose from. So stop complaining, the TMNT has gone back to it's roots, and will stay that way!

Aritsan owns the rights huh? Didn't know that. Thanks for informing me Karpo. So that means The Frogs, Mondo Gecko and everybody else as well too. We'll i guess the only hope to see them again is on the DVD. And probably some stupid throwaway where Shredder will see a Rhino and a Warthog and go those would make stupid mutants.

[Prowl]

Been there through both generations. This new cartoon rips the **** out of that old barney crap. There, I said it.

The old cartoon was a kids cartoon, and while this one is as well, it takes its cue from a young adult comic, with tributes to the creators and lines taken directly from the comic. They didn't have to do that. They could have made them goofy and no one would have been the wiser (what with all the crap out there), but they didn't, they made it enjoyable through a wide age-range, and they included the comic fans this time.

The first season of the old show was great, if not serious enough, but then that show became CRAP, as soon as Irma and Vernen became a deeper part of the show. Nostalgia can make people like something more than it deserves. I remember fondly the old show, but I also can watch it now (and I have) and admit how crappy it really is.

PIZZA POWER.....my ass.

That having been said....I love you guys. It's so great having fans to discuss this with. It's been a long lonely 10 years.

[Holden]

Originally Posted by Prowl

Nostalgia can make people like something more than it deserves.

Kind of the way Transfans hold G1 in such high regard and above all other Transformer shows, even though Beast Wars is the most competent of them all.

[Prowl]

Holden, you know it, man.

Beast Wars was excellent, and I have been a Transfan since it all started, but I know Beast Wars has greater production value and a much ritcher story than any of the old stuff. Hell even Beast Machines (while a bit out there), still had stronger design and story. The old show just carries the wieght of nostalgia. It's not just you watching the show, it's you coming home from school with friends and watching it. To some people, that carries more value than the actual show itself

[Holden]

You wouldn't happen to be a member of the Allspark, would you Prowl?

[Prowl]

I think so, but I am windcharger there. Is that at tfw2005?

[Karpo_007]

If we would start to compare the two shows, animation, wrting etc. The old cartoon wouldn't stand a chance. But Like I have been trying to say, They should not be compared. There is 10 years time cap there. Technology has evolved a lot, and more action packed series can be put in to Childern's block. So there is no point in starting comparing the two shows. It wouldn't be fair.

[Prowl]

I completely agree. And the very obvious difference in time and content are evidence to how different these shows are. They are indeed very different cartoons that bear the same name.

BTW, I just doublechecked. I am not in allspark.

[Mondo_Gecko]

Why does everyone think that the first season is the best and everything after that is crap? THAT MAKES ME SO MAD. The first season is great. Those are some of the five best turtle episodes ever. But there are so many other great episodes after that.

Some of my favs are
Invasion of the Punk Frogs - One of the best mutation episodes ever
Turtles on Trial
Enter the Rat King- The Rat King is uniquie, cool and interesting.
The ones with Casey Jones
Leatherhead: Terror of the Swamp - The Frogs return and Leatherhead is mutated. AWESOME EPISODE.
Rapheal Meets His Match - Mona Lisa was a cool mutant.
Michaelangelo Meets Mondo Gecko - I LOVE this episode, Mondo Gecko's in it. Tell's his story and has my fav turtle as well Michealangelo.
Muckman, Mutagen Man, are really good as well.

[Karpo_007]

Because they are goofy, repeatitive, and most have bad animation. Second and Third season were still pretty good, But the time of fourth it became really boring.

[Prowl]

Now that I think of it, you're right. There were some good ones. Hell the Usagi Yojimbo ones were some of my favorite, even though there were only two.

I love the little mini series witht the alien that falls from space and entrust the turtles to find those stones. I think that was first season, but that was a great set of episodes.

[Karpo_007]

First season was the first 5 eps. Eye of Zarnoth was in 2nd.