AFI's 10 Top 10

[cqb101]

Originally Posted by raphael_is_cool

The Third Man is a British film. I guess they just have certain criteria since all that has is an American co-producer and some American actors.

The criteria for their top 100 list, which is the basis for all of their other lists.

1. Feature-length: Narrative format, at least 40 minutes in length.

2. American film: English language, with significant creative and/or financial production elements from the United States.

3. Critical Recognition: Formal commendation in print.

4. Major Award Winner: Recognition from competitive events including awards from organizations in the film community and major film festivals.

5. Popularity Over Time: Including figures for box office adjusted for inflation, television broadcasts and syndication, and home video sales and rentals.

6. Historical Significance: A film's mark on the history of the moving image through technical innovation, visionary narrative devices or other groundbreaking achievements.

7. Cultural Impact: A film's mark on American society in matters of style and substance.

[Raph's Girl]

Popularity over time??? The following films are films on the list that I've never even heard of:

HARVEY (1950)
WHITE HEAT (1949 )
SCARFACE: THE SHAME OF A NATION (1932)
THE PUBLIC ENEMY (1931)
LITTLE CAESAR (1930)
SCARFACE (1983)
THE SEARCHERS (1956)
RED RIVER (1948 )
McCABE & MRS. MILLER (1971)
CAT BALLOU (1965)
BULL DURHAM (1988 )
THE HUSTLER (1961)
BREAKING AWAY (1979)
CITY LIGHTS (1931)
ANNIE HALL (1977)
IT HAPPENED ONE NIGHT (1934)
ROMAN HOLIDAY (1953)
ADAM'S RIB (1949)
MOONSTRUCK (1987)
HAROLD AND MAUDE (1971)
THE VERDICT (1982)
WITNESS FOR THE PROSECUTION (1957)
THE PRIDE OF THE YANKEES (1942)
ANATOMY OF A MURDER (1959 )
IN COLD BLOOD (1967)
A CRY IN THE DARK (1988 )
REDS (1981)

So those movies are soo popular and have been on tv soo many times that I guess I just missed em? Guess I should pay attention to TMC more often eh?

[Roseangelo]

Originally Posted by Raph's Girl

So those movies are soo popular and have been on tv soo many times that I guess I just missed em? Guess I should pay attention to TMC more often eh?

Scarface, Bull Durham, Annie Hall, and Pride of the Yankees are all movies people should have at least heard of.

[Drtooth]

Here's a real piss off for Henson fans....

In the nominations for Fantasy, Dark Crystal and Labarynth were both considered. And they lost to clearly NON-Fantasy films.

I LOVE Groundhog Day, but I would hardly call it a fantasy. Bug squeaks by, and Feild of Dreams really did belong in the sports category.

[Raph's Girl]

Originally Posted by Drtooth

Here's a real piss off for Henson fans....

In the nominations for Fantasy, Dark Crystal and Labarynth were both considered. And they lost to clearly NON-Fantasy films.

I LOVE Groundhog Day, but I would hardly call it a fantasy. Bug squeaks by, and Feild of Dreams really did belong in the sports category.

WTF?! Dark Crystal and Labrynth are clealy way more worth it than Groundhog Day....What about The Last Unicorn?!

[Cure]

Originally Posted by Raph's Girl

Popularity over time??? The following films are films on the list that I've never even heard of:

HARVEY (1950)
WHITE HEAT (1949 )
SCARFACE: THE SHAME OF A NATION (1932)
THE PUBLIC ENEMY (1931)
LITTLE CAESAR (1930)
SCARFACE (1983)
THE SEARCHERS (1956)
RED RIVER (1948 )
McCABE & MRS. MILLER (1971)
CAT BALLOU (1965)
BULL DURHAM (1988 )
THE HUSTLER (1961)
BREAKING AWAY (1979)
CITY LIGHTS (1931)
ANNIE HALL (1977)
IT HAPPENED ONE NIGHT (1934)
ROMAN HOLIDAY (1953)
ADAM'S RIB (1949)
MOONSTRUCK (1987)
HAROLD AND MAUDE (1971)
THE VERDICT (1982)
WITNESS FOR THE PROSECUTION (1957)
THE PRIDE OF THE YANKEES (1942)
ANATOMY OF A MURDER (1959 )
IN COLD BLOOD (1967)
A CRY IN THE DARK (1988 )
REDS (1981)

So those movies are soo popular and have been on tv soo many times that I guess I just missed em? Guess I should pay attention to TMC more often eh?

Oh, yeah. Cuz the all knowing Raph's Girl, copy-paster of stupid news and keeper of useless knowledge and trivia that no one gives a f*ck about, hasn't heard of these movies, they MUST be irrelevant and unpopular.

[cqb101]

Originally Posted by Raph's Girl

Popularity over time??? The following films are films on the list that I've never even heard of:

HARVEY (1950)
WHITE HEAT (1949 )
SCARFACE: THE SHAME OF A NATION (1932)
THE PUBLIC ENEMY (1931)
LITTLE CAESAR (1930)
SCARFACE (1983)
THE SEARCHERS (1956)
RED RIVER (1948 )
McCABE & MRS. MILLER (1971)
CAT BALLOU (1965)
BULL DURHAM (1988 )
THE HUSTLER (1961)
BREAKING AWAY (1979)
CITY LIGHTS (1931)
ANNIE HALL (1977)
IT HAPPENED ONE NIGHT (1934)
ROMAN HOLIDAY (1953)
ADAM'S RIB (1949)
MOONSTRUCK (1987)
HAROLD AND MAUDE (1971)
THE VERDICT (1982)
WITNESS FOR THE PROSECUTION (1957)
THE PRIDE OF THE YANKEES (1942)
ANATOMY OF A MURDER (1959 )
IN COLD BLOOD (1967)
A CRY IN THE DARK (1988 )
REDS (1981)

So those movies are soo popular and have been on tv soo many times that I guess I just missed em? Guess I should pay attention to TMC more often eh?

The fact that you haven't heard of, much less scene, those films makes me incredibly depressed. You need to culture yourself some more. Seriously.

[That Matt Guy]

Originally Posted by TheCure

Oh, yeah. Cuz the all knowing Raph's Girl, copy-paster of stupid news and keeper of useless knowledge and trivia that no one gives a f*ck about, hasn't heard of these movies, they MUST be irrelevant and unpopular.

hahaha wow.

anyway if you havent seen or heard of half of those, maybe you should get off the turtle forum once and awhile and discover movies that were made before 1985. pride of the yankees is a bonafide classic, lee marvin won an oscar for cat ballou, moonstruck starred cher, the searchers is the ultimate john wayne western, and for the love of everything scarface is pop culture defined!! and you whine because s*** like labyrinth didn't make the list??

/not a personal attack.

[Drtooth]

Gonna have to agree. I've heard of most of these films... even Cat Balloo (An' all this time, I thought Balloo was a bear... NARF). A couple are pretty obscure though. But I can't believe you never heard of Harvey. I saw that one when I was pretty young, and I forgot most of it, but I remembered it.

[Raph's Girl]

Originally Posted by That Matt Guy

hahaha wow.

anyway if you havent seen or heard of half of those, maybe you should get off the turtle forum once and awhile and discover movies that were made before 1985. pride of the yankees is a bonafide classic, lee marvin won an oscar for cat ballou, moonstruck starred cher, the searchers is the ultimate john wayne western, and for the love of everything scarface is pop culture defined!! and you whine because s*** like labyrinth didn't make the list??

/not a personal attack.

Oh ok.. I might have seen Searchers but most of those John Wayne films (with the exception of Conquerer where he plays Ghengis Khan ) is basically the same hashed western plot. Moonstruck...well to be honest the only Cher movie I've ever seen is "Mermaids" (which should have been on that list too).

Im probably just gonna have to find all these films and watch em. "Moonstruck" (which came out in 1987 BTW) I'll definatly have to watch if only to see John Mahoney in something other than "Frasier"

[Warhorse]

Yeah, definitely watch Bull Duhram, that was really funny, and a bit ironic at times. It's got Kevin Costner, Susan Sarrandon and Tim Robbins in it, and they are fantastic!

[Sewer Bull]

Now something has struck me. I'm pretty amazed that generally acclaimed "Citizen Kane", for ever loved by the film historians, didn't make it to the list at all. Along with another huge pop-cultural icon, "Casablanca" namely. They should be in that "Epic" category, instead of pretty weak but irritating "Reds" and "The Ten Commandments", which is just another one of those pompous Bible flicks from the 50s.

Other notable lefts outs would be "Shawshank Redemption" and "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest". I also lack my beloved "Silence of the Lambs", but I'm not that sure if it's really that great.

But well - you never can agree on ranks like that.

[Ra]

I really have to say that the entire list is a bit screwy. Probably because it's only focused on American films, which stinks.

Originally Posted by Raph's Girl

Popularity over time??? The following films are films on the list that I've never even heard of:

...SCARFACE: THE SHAME OF A NATION (1932)
SCARFACE (1983)

Dude, you haven't heard of Scarface? Scarface? My god, sit yourself down and watch at least one of the versions before I have a fit.

[cqb101]

Isn't it, like, impossible to never have heard of Scarface? I mean, every store I go into there's Scarface swag, turn on MTV Cribs and every rapper will talk about how it's their favorite film. I mean, the movie has probably been homaged a dozen times and parodied even more. How can you miss something like that?


Mind you, I'm no fan of the film, just sayin'.

[Sewer Bull]

Originally Posted by Ra

I really have to say that the entire list is a bit screwy. Probably because it's only focused on American films, which stinks.

Yeah, no movies with Jason Donovan

[cqb101]

Originally Posted by Ra

I really have to say that the entire list is a bit screwy. Probably because it's only focused on American films, which stinks.

Again, the list was composed by the American Film Institute, of course they're all going to be American films, that's one of the criteria.

[Drtooth]

Originally Posted by cqb101

Isn't it, like, impossible to never have heard of Scarface? I mean, every store I go into there's Scarface swag, turn on MTV Cribs and every rapper will talk about how it's their favorite film. I mean, the movie has probably been homaged a dozen times and parodied even more. How can you miss something like that?

Exactly. Every unfunny hack writer in the biz has stole the "Say Hello to my little friend" line and used it out of context for years.

Anyway:

Now something has struck me. I'm pretty amazed that generally acclaimed "Citizen Kane", for ever loved by the film historians, didn't make it to the list at all. Along with another huge pop-cultural icon, "Casablanca" namely. They should be in that "Epic" category, instead of pretty weak but irritating "Reds" and "The Ten Commandments", which is just another one of those pompous Bible flicks from the 50s.

Would Casablanca and Citizen Kane be considered Epics? I think half the problem with this list is semantics. What I call a Fantasy differes from what they call fantasy (since most of them were rooted in reality with one or two little things).

Though, when it comes right down to it, as glad as I am that Back to the Future made the list, I feel the second was a much better, much more science fictiony plot, and it was just a better ride than the first. I'd say BBTF 2 should have ranked in instead.

[cqb101]

Originally Posted by Drtooth

Though, when it comes right down to it, as glad as I am that Back to the Future made the list, I feel the second was a much better, much more science fictiony plot, and it was just a better ride than the first. I'd say BBTF 2 should have ranked in instead.

My guess is when it comes to trilogies like that, they just list the first film. Lord of the Rings, just Fellowship made the list, and the only Star Wars movie listed was A New Hope, even though Empire is almost universally considered the best.

But I do agree, Back to the Future Part 2 is better than the first and far more science fiction-y.

[Drtooth]

Originally Posted by cqb101

My guess is when it comes to trilogies like that, they just list the first film. Lord of the Rings, just Fellowship made the list, and the only Star Wars movie listed was A New Hope, even though Empire is almost universally considered the best.

Though, I think it odd that they had T2 instead of the first one, if that's the case.

[cqb101]

Originally Posted by Drtooth

Though, I think it odd that they had T2 instead of the first one, if that's the case.

That's true.