AFI's 10 Top 10

[Raph's Girl]

The American Film Instittute has released their list of the top 10 films in 10 different genre's (gangster is a Genre???).

http://news.awn.com/index.php?ltype=...sitem_no=23639

ANIMATION

1. SNOW WHITE AND THE SEVEN DWARFS (1937)
2. PINOCCHIO (1940)
3. BAMBI (1942)
4. THE LION KING (1994)
5. FANTASIA (1940)
6. TOY STORY (1995)
7. BEAUTY AND THE BEAST (1991)
8. SHREK (2001)
9. CINDERELLA (1950)
10. FINDING NEMO (2003)

Raph's Girl note: Finding Nemo and Shrek??? Seriously?? WTF?

FANTASY

1. THE WIZARD OF OZ (1939)
2. THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING (2001)
3. IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE (1946)
4. KING KONG (1933)
5. MIRACLE ON 34th STREET (1947)
6. FIELD OF DREAMS (1989 )
7. HARVEY (1950)
8. GROUNDHOG DAY (1993)
9. THE THIEF OF BAGDAD (1924)
10. BIG (1988 )

Raph's Girl note: Groundhog Day?! WTF?!

GANGSTER

1. THE GODFATHER (1972)
2. GOODFELLAS (1990)
3. THE GODFATHER PART II (1974)
4. WHITE HEAT (1949 )
5. BONNIE AND CLYDE (1967)
6. SCARFACE: THE SHAME OF A NATION (1932)
7. PULP FICTION (1994)
8. THE PUBLIC ENEMY (1931)
9. LITTLE CAESAR (1930)
10. SCARFACE (1983)

Raph's Girl note: Where's Godfather III?

SCIENCE FICTION

1. 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY (1968 )
2. STAR WARS: EPISODE IV - A NEW HOPE (1977)
3. E.T. - THE EXTRA TERRESTRIAL (1982)
4. A CLOCKWORK ORANGE (1971)
5. THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL (1951)
6. BLADE RUNNER (1982)
7. ALIEN (1979)
8. TERMINATOR 2: JUDGMENT DAY (1991)
9. INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS (1956)
10. BACK TO THE FUTURE (1985)

Raph's Girl note: Ugh.. 2001 Space Odyssey... :/

WESTERN

1. THE SEARCHERS (1956)
2. HIGH NOON (1952)
3. SHANE (1953)
4. UNFORGIVEN (1992)
5. RED RIVER (1948 )
6. THE WILD BUNCH (1969 )
7. BUTCH CASSIDY AND THE SUNDANCE KID (1969 )
8. McCABE & MRS. MILLER (1971)
9. STAGECOACH (1939 )
10. CAT BALLOU (1965)

Raph's Girl note: Hey!! Where's "The Good The Bad and the Ugly"?!

SPORTS

1. RAGING BULL (1980)
2. ROCKY (1976)
3. THE PRIDE OF THE YANKEES (1942)
4. HOOSIERS (1986)
5. BULL DURHAM (1988 )
6. THE HUSTLER (1961)
7. CADDYSHACK (1980)
8. BREAKING AWAY (1979)
9. NATIONAL VELVET (1944)
10. JERRY MAGUIRE (1996)

Raph's Girl note: Field of Dreams should be in the sports category...

MYSTERY

1. VERTIGO (1958 )
2. CHINATOWN (1974)
3. REAR WINDOW (1954)
4. LAURA (1944)
5. THE THIRD MAN (1949 )
6. THE MALTESE FALCON (1941)
7. NORTH BY NORTHWEST (1959 )
8. BLUE VELVET (1986)
9. DIAL M FOR MURDER (1954)
10. THE USUAL SUSPECTS (1995)

Raph's Girl note: Half of those are Hitchcock films...SURPRISE!

ROMANTIC COMEDY

1. CITY LIGHTS (1931)
2. ANNIE HALL (1977)
3. IT HAPPENED ONE NIGHT (1934)
4. ROMAN HOLIDAY (1953)
5. THE PHILADELPHIA STORY (1940)
6. WHEN HARRY MET SALLY ... (1989 )
7. ADAM'S RIB (1949)
8. MOONSTRUCK (1987)
9. HAROLD AND MAUDE (1971)
10. SLEEPLESS IN SEATTLE (1993)

Raph's Girl note: The house from Sleepless in Seattle is currently for sale if anybody has A million dollars...

COURTROOM DRAMA

1. TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD (1962)
2. 12 ANGRY MEN (1957)
3. KRAMER VS. KRAMER (1979 )
4. THE VERDICT (1982)
5. A FEW GOOD MEN (1992)
6. WITNESS FOR THE PROSECUTION (1957)
7. ANATOMY OF A MURDER (1959 )
8. IN COLD BLOOD (1967)
9. A CRY IN THE DARK (1988 )
10. JUDGMENT AT NUREMBERG (1961)

Raph's Girl note: Judgement At Nuremberg was the first movie Shatner was in.

EPIC

1. LAWRENCE OF ARABIA (1962)
2. BEN-HUR (1959)
3. SCHINDLER'S LIST (1993)
4. GONE WITH THE WIND (1939 )
5. SPARTACUS (1960)
6. TITANIC (1997)
7. ALL QUIET ON THE WESTERN FRONT (1930)
8. SAVING PRIVATE RYAN (1998 )
9. REDS (1981)
10. THE TEN COMMANDMENTS (1956)

Raph's Girl note: Titanic is Epic??? Yeah an Epic borefest....

[Hannah]

Shrek and Finding Nemo are beautifully animated.

[raphael_is_cool]

My two cents:

- Unforgiven did not deserve to beat any of Leone's Dollars trilogy. I'm surprised Once Upon a Time in the West was not in there either.
- Godfather III was terrible
- Rear Window is better than Vertigo

[ToxicRevolution]

A Clockwork Orange, Blade Runner, and Alien need to be much higher.

Also, the Godfather III was, indeed, terrible.

[MadPirateBunny]

pfft.

Aleins, out did Alien any day of the week.


{ps. This my "official" 800th post. YAY!}

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by Raph's Girl

Raph's Girl note: Groundhog Day?! WTF?!

It is a fantasy film, though most would view it as a comedy. People enjoy movies that teach life lessons and it is different.

Raph's Girl note: Where's Godfather III?

Thankfully off the list so other more worthy movies could be on there. 3 was pretty bland compared to the first 2 films.

Raph's Girl note: Ugh.. 2001 Space Odyssey... :/

Well even if you dislike the film, I personally found it boring as well, it's still an amazing movie. Also for the time it was made it featuring some amazing special effects.

Raph's Girl note: Field of Dreams should be in the sports category...

No it shouldn't. These are all realistic sports films as where "Field Of Dreams" is pure fantasy.

Raph's Girl note: Titanic is Epic??? Yeah an Epic borefest....

Only if your a product of the ADD generation of todays youth. Titanic was quite epic. I pushed seeing it off for so long because I thought I was going to be bored to tears. I can't say I'd ever watch it again but I did need to see it. Yeah it's long, has a cheesy love story, and bad acting, but where it lacks in that area it makes up for in pretty much everything else. You can almost see this film as 2 films in one. I also love how you can pinpoint an element from everyone of Cameron's previous films in it.

I always see a lot of groans from the lists AFI put out. I honestly don't see where all the complaining comes from. For one I doubt most of you have seen every movie on that list and if you had you probably would agree more with it. Then again it also takes someone with an appreciation for film to think the way these people do. Their like film critics. They see a lot of movies, and if you notice most of these films are older ones. This is mainly because they recognize many of todays modern films pull from these older movies. I mean it's common practice but I think a lot of people seem to forget that.

A lot of people also forget achievements. When I'm watching a film from the 1950's and I see some really good special effect I have to think, "Wow they managed to pull that off". You really have to put yourself into the time period the film was made in. Watching older movies really does ruin todays modern films. You can see where some directors obviously ripped off one films style. Such as Tim Burton who uses the German revolution in film as a template for every movie he makes now, "The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari" anyone?

I wasn't trying to pick on you Raph's Girl I just find it odd that this weird trend has started to bash movies like "Titanic" for being successful. It's int he top 10 highest grossing pictures of all time with adjusted values. When the values aren't adjusted then it is the top pictures. That says a lot. That many people saw that movie. I also laugh when people give "Gone With The Wind" ****. That movie is the #1 highest grossing picture of all time. Keep in mind how many less people were in the country when that movie came out. Everyone must have gone to see that thing.

The point I'm trying to make is just because a film is boring or uninteresting to you doesn't mean it's not very well made and a great movie. Simply you just don't like it. That is totally fine but giving AFI grief for putting a list together of well made movies is senseless on your part if you dismiss films for being "boring". It is their job to study films as I said before, and truth be told modern movies are pretty poor in quality compared to their older counterparts.

Originally Posted by MadPirateBunny

pfft.

Aliens, out did Alien any day of the week.

Alien was a tension building, atmospheric sci-fi horror film that influenced an entire generation of horror movies to follow.

Aliens was an sci-fi action film that used the template of Alien, made it massive and influenced an entire generation of video game nerds who rip it off around every corner. Any game with space marines is a complete rip off of Aliens but that's another subject.

I love both films but it is impossible to pit them against one another because their two completely different movies. Sure they sport the Alien and Ripley is in them but the way their made is radically different.

[ToxicRevolution]

Originally Posted by MadPirateBunny

pfft.

Aleins, out did Alien any day of the week.


{ps. This my "official" 800th post. YAY!}

That's true. But it was more of like a sci-fi/horror/action cross-mutation. And I actually watched Aliens last night. It had been a while since I'd watched it.

[Sewer Bull]

Originally Posted by raphael_is_cool

- Godfather III was terrible

Originally Posted by ToxicRevolution

Also, the Godfather III was, indeed, terrible.

Bullcrap.

Maybe not the Top 10 movie ever and not as good as I and II, but it was still pretty decent in my opinion.

[Drtooth]

Originally Posted by Raph's Girl

Raph's Girl note: Finding Nemo and Shrek??? Seriously?? WTF?

Much as I loved Nemo, I feel that Incredibles kicked its butt. Really should have been on the list instead. And we, of course got nothing but American films... but it IS the American Film institute. I wish they had Speilberg talk about the car chase sequence in Lupin III Castle of Caligroso (sp?)

Raph's Girl note: Groundhog Day?! WTF?!

I felt the Fantasy category was screwed up. When I think of a fantasy film, I think Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, Dark Crystal... And I though King Kong was a horror film... of course, I always thought of it as a tragedy.... sniff...

Raph's Girl note: Hey!! Where's "The Good The Bad and the Ugly"?!

I don't understand how an iconic film that absolutely every form of media and every single show referenced at least once didn't get on the list and Cat Ballou got on there. Maybe they just wanted to get Barbarella to interview.

Raph's Girl note: Field of Dreams should be in the sports category...

Agreed. Jerry Maguire, I always hated. Mainly for my disdane of Tom Cruise and Cuba Gooding Jr. Tried watching it on TV once... turned it off less than halfway through.

Raph's Girl note: Titanic is Epic??? Yeah an Epic borefest....

Hey, the only Leonardo I want to see in a movie... well, that's obvious. But a movie with that much hype still surrounding it was bound to be on the list, huh?

Anyone else think that the Mystery category shoulda been renamed the "Suspense" category.

Plus, I still hate the fact people think of anime as a genre, NOT a medium. Live action is not a genre.

[Warhorse]

HMMM..... They got "GANGSTER" flicks, but not military? Considering I think some of the best films have been of war and military surroundings, and so many great songs of yesterday seemed to have an iconic connection with some sort of film. Like when ever I hear Painted Black, I think of Full Metal Jacket, and vice versa.

But let's see what the "professionals" claim what is the best! But of course, I tend to buck trends and have opinions outside of the box.

ANIMATION

1. SNOW WHITE AND THE SEVEN DWARFS (1937)
2. PINOCCHIO (1940)
3. BAMBI (1942)
4. THE LION KING (1994)
5. FANTASIA (1940)
6. TOY STORY (1995)
7. BEAUTY AND THE BEAST (1991)
8. SHREK (2001)
9. CINDERELLA (1950)
10. FINDING NEMO (2003)

My favorite animated film is The Last Unicorn. Snow White is probably number one because I believe it was the first real quality cartoon presented at the time. But I prefer Bambi being number one. I just thought the animation, the story and the characters "who didn't love Thumper?" were top notch.

FANTASY

1. THE WIZARD OF OZ (1939)
2. THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING (2001)
3. IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE (1946)
4. KING KONG (1933)
5. MIRACLE ON 34th STREET (1947)
6. FIELD OF DREAMS (1989 )
7. HARVEY (1950)
8. GROUNDHOG DAY (1993)
9. THE THIEF OF BAGDAD (1924)
10. BIG (1988 )

I love my fantasies. LOTR trilogy is my number one now, with Return of the King being the ultimate (have to watch the extended director's cut to get the full impact of the series. Wizard of Oz I can definitely see being number one. Other personal favorites of mine which I would trade such unknowns like Thief of Bagdad and Harvery and I agree with Raph's Girl, Groundhog Day was a bit bland for my tastes, would be Willow, The Never Ending Story and the first Harry Potter, though I think the 3rd one was the best made

GANGSTER

1. THE GODFATHER (1972)
2. GOODFELLAS (1990)
3. THE GODFATHER PART II (1974)
4. WHITE HEAT (1949 )
5. BONNIE AND CLYDE (1967)
6. SCARFACE: THE SHAME OF A NATION (1932)
7. PULP FICTION (1994)
8. THE PUBLIC ENEMY (1931)
9. LITTLE CAESAR (1930)
10. SCARFACE (1983)

Nothing to say here, mobster movies never appealed to me. The only one mobster related movie i can recall watching all the way through would be Oscar. Yes, the funny one with Sylvester Stallone. But every year I here about the best movies ever made, and I'm baffled that The God Father keeps getting the number one spot. Sorry, but I find those movies so boring. When will the ever have a positive, charming movie be number one instead of these dreary borefests!

SCIENCE FICTION

1. 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY (1968 )
2. STAR WARS: EPISODE IV - A NEW HOPE (1977)
3. E.T. - THE EXTRA TERRESTRIAL (1982)
4. A CLOCKWORK ORANGE (1971)
5. THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL (1951)
6. BLADE RUNNER (1982)
7. ALIEN (1979)
8. TERMINATOR 2: JUDGMENT DAY (1991)
9. INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS (1956)
10. BACK TO THE FUTURE (1985)

List is what I expected, though my favorite sch-fi flick is Independence Day. I also to this day swear up and down that Demolition Man will become reality, you know, illegal to smoke, drink, eat unhealthy foods, swear, have sex, even to kiss!

WESTERN

1. THE SEARCHERS (1956)
2. HIGH NOON (1952)
3. SHANE (1953)
4. UNFORGIVEN (1992)
5. RED RIVER (1948 )
6. THE WILD BUNCH (1969 )
7. BUTCH CASSIDY AND THE SUNDANCE KID (1969 )
8. McCABE & MRS. MILLER (1971)
9. STAGECOACH (1939 )
10. CAT BALLOU (1965)

Surprised to see Shane not number one. But my favorite western, and this should have been on the list, The Man From Snowy River. Masterpiece that one.

SPORTS

1. RAGING BULL (1980)
2. ROCKY (1976)
3. THE PRIDE OF THE YANKEES (1942)
4. HOOSIERS (1986)
5. BULL DURHAM (1988 )
6. THE HUSTLER (1961)
7. CADDYSHACK (1980)
8. BREAKING AWAY (1979)
9. NATIONAL VELVET (1944)
10. JERRY MAGUIRE (1996)

Should trade National Velvet with Seabiscuit. I also thought A League of their Own was worthy instead of Pride of the Yankees

MYSTERY

1. VERTIGO (1958 )
2. CHINATOWN (1974)
3. REAR WINDOW (1954)
4. LAURA (1944)
5. THE THIRD MAN (1949 )
6. THE MALTESE FALCON (1941)
7. NORTH BY NORTHWEST (1959 )
8. BLUE VELVET (1986)
9. DIAL M FOR MURDER (1954)
10. THE USUAL SUSPECTS (1995)

I think I would have chosen The Usual Suspects as number one. Surprised to not see Seven on there to.

ROMANTIC COMEDY

1. CITY LIGHTS (1931)
2. ANNIE HALL (1977)
3. IT HAPPENED ONE NIGHT (1934)
4. ROMAN HOLIDAY (1953)
5. THE PHILADELPHIA STORY (1940)
6. WHEN HARRY MET SALLY ... (1989 )
7. ADAM'S RIB (1949)
8. MOONSTRUCK (1987)
9. HAROLD AND MAUDE (1971)
10. SLEEPLESS IN SEATTLE (1993)

Eh, don't really watch this sh!t, but my fave is While You Were Sleeping.

COURTROOM DRAMA

1. TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD (1962)
2. 12 ANGRY MEN (1957)
3. KRAMER VS. KRAMER (1979 )
4. THE VERDICT (1982)
5. A FEW GOOD MEN (1992)
6. WITNESS FOR THE PROSECUTION (1957)
7. ANATOMY OF A MURDER (1959 )
8. IN COLD BLOOD (1967)
9. A CRY IN THE DARK (1988 )
10. JUDGMENT AT NUREMBERG (1961)

Best courtoom dramas do not unfold on the big screen, but the little one in the name of Law & Order. But with that aside, surprised not to see The Client or A Time To Kill on this list.

EPIC

1. LAWRENCE OF ARABIA (1962)
2. BEN-HUR (1959)
3. SCHINDLER'S LIST (1993)
4. GONE WITH THE WIND (1939 )
5. SPARTACUS (1960)
6. TITANIC (1997)
7. ALL QUIET ON THE WESTERN FRONT (1930)
8. SAVING PRIVATE RYAN (1998 )
9. REDS (1981)
10. THE TEN COMMANDMENTS (1956)

Find no problems with this list, even though I always thought one of the best epics was in a tv mini series called Lonesome Dove. Could Gladiator be considered epic, or is it too short?


Ok, so now we need just plain comedies, and a genre where M Knight Shymalan (sp?) could be recognized. I've honestly haven't watched a movie I did not like from him. Can't wait the see The Happening when I have the chance!

[cqb101]

People, people, people...are you really this stupid? AFI = American Film Institute. The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly (and for that matter, all of Leone's films) are Italian and thus ineligible to be on the list.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Ugh.

The only reason people read these lists is so that they can bitch about what was/wasn't on it.

Now that we've got that out of the way, why the hell is Shrek on that list? Shrek is nothing but a mockery of everything Walt Disney ever did. Oh wait, it has Hollywood voice actors and comes from ex-Disney animators who are in the pocket of the academy awards. Never mind.

[That Matt Guy]

so epic is the new word for war?

[odupianist]

I thought the Untouchables was a good gangster movie.

[sarcasm] what about Back to the Future 3 for Western? Jeez. [/sarcasm]

[CudleyCowlick]

I'm not even going to go into how many problems I have with these lists. But then again, I like to think of myself has having more cultured tastes than the average slob (I AM a TMNT fan after all) and I'm sure that the is just the kind of person they have in mind when compiling these lists.

I am however, glad (but not surprised) that Goodfellas made it, and thrilled to see Caddyshack on there.

[Ninjinister]

How they can make a category as specific as "Courtroom Drama" and still not have a straight up "Horror" or even a general "Comedy" category boggles the mind.

[PAAATE]

Originally Posted by The S

How they can make a category as specific as "Courtroom Drama" and still not have a straight up "Horror" or even a general "Comedy" category boggles the mind.

Speaking of horror, that genre should be renamed to Shocker.

Horror-movies doesn't even try to scare the **** out of anyone anymore..

The most horrified you get from a modern horrorflick is the jump-reaction... And that only lasts like a second...

Good horror should make you feel like turning the movie off/walk outta the theater whatever

Umm.. Enough rambling about horror..

I don't like these lists simply because I mostly don't agree with them

[Cure]

Originally Posted by CrazyCowboyDion

But then again, I like to think of myself has having more cultured tastes than the average slob (I AM a TMNT fan after all)

That is the funniest thing I have ever read.

[cqb101]

Originally Posted by CrazyCowboyDion

I'm not even going to go into how many problems I have with these lists. But then again, I like to think of myself has having more cultured tastes than the average slob (I AM a TMNT fan after all) and I'm sure that the is just the kind of person they have in mind when compiling these lists.

I am however, glad (but not surprised) that Goodfellas made it, and thrilled to see Caddyshack on there.

If you're one of these self-proclaimed "cultured" people, you probably shouldn't have any problems with AFI's list. The people who compose them are also "cultured" people, and a good percentage of the film's on their top 100 the average person has probably never even seen, much less heard of.

[raphael_is_cool]

Originally Posted by cqb101

People, people, people...are you really this stupid? AFI = American Film Institute. The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly (and for that matter, all of Leone's films) are Italian and thus ineligible to be on the list.

The Third Man is a British film. I guess they just have certain criteria since all that has is an American co-producer and some American actors.