Official Episode Discussion: "Web Wranglers"

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Aneras713

"I will love him and hug him and call him George." Priceless!

I'm glad I'm not the only one who found that funny.

[maryshine]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I'm glad I'm not the only one who found that funny.

Me 2! I only wish we saw Kluk's reaction to George!

[TerranigmaFreak]

Originally Posted by Aneras713

.......................637 IQ.................is that even possible?

How else do you explain Donny being able to create a machine that can send them to the digital world?

I found this episode very enjoyable. Kahn getting thrown out actually looks brutal. I love how they went into detail showing everything he hits on the way down.

[Cipher]

Originally Posted by TerranigmaFreak

How else do you explain Donny being able to create a machine that can send them to the digital world?

Or making a frickin' flying car in the second episode of the series out of junkyard scraps? Don's intellegence has been so ridiculous throughout the show that a 637 IQ is actually the most plausible explanation we have...and it's still ridiculous.

Anyway, I slept through the TV premiere this morning, and I've only seen the first part on a certain "tube" so far. I've really enjoyed the first ten minutes, though.

[Aneras713]

Originally Posted by TerranigmaFreak

How else do you explain Donny being able to create a machine that can send them to the digital world?

...................Good point.

[cowabunga14]

This episode was pretty good, I think. It started out kinda poorly, but ended up redeeming itself. I guess it was a good thing that I didn't expect much.

The mutants were kinda neat even though they had somewhat of a cyber aspect. In a way, they reminded of something I'd see in a B movie, especially because Mikey referenced King Kong. Plus, the scenes where the Turtles encountered the mutants made for some good action.

All in all, this episode felt above average and the humor was nice. The cyber aspect didn't bother me as much as before, so that was relief. Next week's looks like it'll be decent.

[FlawedCoil82]

Another episode that did absolutely nothing for me. And from the preview, I can name 437,598 things I would rather do than watch next weekend's episode. I believe this series is officially dead now unless they REALLY impress me on the final few episodes. And.....they were in their black ninja/cybernaught uniforms again during the fights. Shocking...
Jack

[Machias Banshee]

Well, I'm back sooner than expected. I'll post a poll asap.

Now, while watching, a thought came to me. Shredder was taking pictures from the internet, sending them through his portal, with an end product of a solid physical form. If they were able to take a picture of Splinter while on the cyberside, couldn't they make a REAL copy of him and send it to the real world?

It seems that this could have been a major step in their mission - They may have just destroyed the one thing that could have brought Splinter. He wouldn't be a fully organic form, however... perhaps this is why they did not think of it? Perhaps the digital darts would have been too much of a danger to him. Or, if they had continued getting his parts from the internet, they'd have to face the idea of killing off one of their Splinters.

This question becomes a bit of a Frankensteinian moral dilemma. Would their copy of Splinter be a true living thing, or just a copy with no emotional memory?



In all, I found it a mediocre episode that really didn't push any storylines. I would give it two out of five stars. They missed an opportunity to do something to create some new interest and maybe even a little controversy. And after seeing the preview for next week's 'jump in a videogame' episode, my guess is that we'll be seeing some new lows in the season...

[Cipher]

I just saw the whole thing. I could post my opinions, but why bother, since Cowabunga14 expressed them pretty much exactly. It was a fun episode with decent humor and action, but nothing jaw-dropping.

Is there a place where I can see next week's preview online?

In all, I found it a mediocre episode that really didn't push any storylines. I would give it two out of five stars. They missed an opportunity to do something to create some new interest and maybe even a little controversy.

I think people keep forgetting that the series is, and has always ostensibly been a children's cartoon. Even in the darkest depths of say, Season 4, they never would've tackled questions of identity and cloning morality. Seriously.

[Machias Banshee]

That's very true, it Is a kid's show. This was just a comment solely for side discussion here, cuz of the uber-analyzers we've got here on the forum.

[Ninjinister]

Originally Posted by Cipher

I think people keep forgetting that the series is, and has always ostensibly been a children's cartoon. Even in the darkest depths of say, Season 4, they never would've tackled questions of identity and cloning morality. Seriously.

Oh really? Are you forgetting Splinter's speech to Bishop about playing God with his genetic experiments, which included creating a clone of both of them in The Ultimate Slayer?

I'm hoping that someone from The Turtles' lives will end up as one of the gamers in next week's episode... maybe Leatherhead is this legendary gamer they're referring to? I'm pretty sure he has other interests than building transmats and whining about being a monster, lol. Also from the short clip that aired after the episode, it looks like Shredder is in the game.

[Cipher]

Originally Posted by The S

Oh really? Are you forgetting Splinter's speech to Bishop about playing God with his genetic experiments, which included creating a clone of both of them in The Ultimate Slayer?

Telling Bishop to not play God is a throw away one-liner in typical action adventure style. It was a cut-and-dried evil clone scenario. A little edgy for a kid's cartoon, but honestly, if I was in charge and someone brought me a script that had the Turtles wrestling with the moral implications of creating a new Splinter and where his identity lay and whether or not to kill one of them, I'd say, "No way."

But I wasn't trying to start an argument, and neither was Machias Banshee, so it's not really important. Just remember that it's a kid's show.

[Machias Banshee]

Heh, I'm just an instigator... Poll's open!

[Ninjinister]

Originally Posted by Cipher

Telling Bishop to not play God is a throw away one-liner in typical action adventure style. It was a cut-and-dried evil clone scenario. A little edgy for a kid's cartoon, but honestly, if I was in charge and someone brought me a script that had the Turtles wrestling with the moral implications of creating a new Splinter and where his identity lay and whether or not to kill one of them, I'd say, "No way."

But I wasn't trying to start an argument, and neither was Machias Banshee, so it's not really important. Just remember that it's a kid's show.

Who the flip was arguing? I was just interjecting what I thought was a relevant incident in which a character was warned about the moral issues of his actions. Hell, even the mention of God in this day and age in a children's cartoon gets a red flag from some soccer moms, let alone accusing someone of emulating him. Apparently, in the event of the Judeo-Christian soccer moms, you're allowed to worship him, but not have him mentioned in children's programming. I remember an uproar over a couple of episodes of the 90's X-Men.

Anyway, dude, I'm not trying to be your adversary. We can discuss without an anything being an argument.

[gobo]

Originally Posted by Machias Banshee

Would their copy of Splinter be a true living thing, or just a copy with no emotional memory?

Given the reaction of Khan's digital copy, do you even need to ask? Besides, if it was your dad missing with a small chance of getting him back (with some hard work and determination), wouldn't you go the extra mile instead of comissioning your local mad scientist to make a clone of him?

[Aska_Badoura]

I was gratified to hear the explanation for why the guys haven't been helping a lot with getting Splinter's data back... just what I thought, they feel out of their league, and that it's best to stay out of Donnie's way. Yay for stating it implicitly.

Ew at third rail and rat-critter...

I chuckled at the "chipmunk" (Overlooking that it's actually a squirrel...) swimming around in whatever suspension Don had it in. Though the argument that a fully-formed creature wouldn't be dart-able is rather silly... either way, it's still data, just well-formed data instead of bad data.

As far as I know, sewage does not sit exposed in open vats on rooftops... nor does it glow... Eh, let the painters have their fun, I guess, LOL.

I'm starting to be quite convinced that Karai has a BTtS design solely for that tiny cameo she got earlier on... and even then, half of the appearance was reused footage. I'm pretty sad, but I guess they wanted to make the Foot more accessable to people new to the show, who wouldn't necessarily know who Karai is. Perhaps the same goes for Bishop; they feel like their stories are too complicated to reintroduce? Their positions are too ambiguous, maybe? It seems like they want more black and white "good and "bad" this season, though that doesn't explain Baxter's somewhat ambiguous position earlier on... I don't know. I hope to be pleasantly surprised, but I'm not holding my breath.

Machias has some good points about using the Shredder's portal to bring Splinter back; but yeah, as you say... it's not quite the same as actually recovering him (especially if it didn't capture everything that makes him him, so to speak), and if they did later on, they would find themselves with two Splinters. That... would be awkward. Though it does open up new possibilities... transcendental lathe that can make organic creatures? Or maybe it always could do that...

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by The S

Even the mention of God in this day and age in a children's cartoon gets a red flag from some soccer moms, let alone accusing someone of emulating him. Apparently, in the event of the Judeo-Christian soccer moms, you're allowed to worship him, but not have him mentioned in children's programming. I remember an uproar over a couple of episodes of the 90's X-Men.

Exactly. As a Christian who is actually studying for ministry in a very conservative seminary, this quote made my day. You're right on, The S! Now let's all mums the word on the subject.

And I thought Mikey was genuinely funny in this episode without being an idiot. Kudos to the writers.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by Raph's Girl

Spoiler:

Why can't they help Don find Splinter???

637 IQ?! WTF?!

That's one ugly mutant rat

That's a mouse?!

Oh hey...a red headed reporter wearing yellow on Channel 6 news....

King Kong?

Tokka?

Octopus?

Great...he's got a card game and made a zoo...

Shredder had alot of guinea pigs and mice and monkeys and octopi and reptiles and...

Wolverine and Sabertooth?!

Nope...Chipmunk...*L*

Flying Chipmunk?

Will Klunk eat George?

Mikey smart...

Ok Mike and Don!

Wooh...ninja outfits!

Lion's den?? Looks more like the Cerebro room...

Whoa....Don litterally got under the hood

Cyber foot

Free??

Kaaaaahn...bonk...

Try never

Shredder blowed up good

Interesting ep. Don found a way to defeat the creatures a bit too quick IMO. But I love it when they wear their ninja outfits. Especially Raph...

I suppose tho that if they were so insistant on having a TMNT card show they got it with Shredder's zoo in this ep.

Best parts of the ep where the red headed channel 6 news reporter wearing yellow (was her name April or Irma?)
and George the Squirrel.

Next week: Mikey's a wizard and Raph's a Court Jester...frog...*lol*

Now for a couple questions:
1: Why can't the turtles help Don find Splinter?

Quotes:
"I will love him and cuddle him and call him George!" - Mikey

Hey! You're stealing my schtick!!

[silverdragon]

at least they finally gave an explanation as to why they aren't helping Don.
So why do they keep wearing clothes now? Maybe its chilly out -they are cold blooded, just my random guess...its that or playmates keep kidnapping them

I though the mutants - some of them anyway - looked pretty cool - especially the turtle and wolves!
I was a bit 'eh' on cybershredder coming out, but I thought Khan just killing his clone like that so quickly was just despicable -I liked!
Um...don getting 'under the hood'?
Soo...the chipmunk turned into real life? The turtles change to data and back again, so I guess...cyber just makes my head spin...

[Jester]

Originally Posted by silverdragon

I though the mutants - some of them anyway - looked pretty cool - especially the turtle and wolves!

Heck, can't believe I forgot the wolves! we had Tokka and Rahzar!