Banning The Joker - Page 2

*ToTheNines* · 02-13-2009, 04:28 PM

Since FDR was such a good president, I say we knock that **** off too.

~~Leo656~~ · 02-13-2009, 05:10 PM

Any real comic fan knows that the Joker has a severely fragmented personality and is constantly reinventing his persona. Sometimes he's a cold-blooded killer, others a clown, and so on. So he has no "true" persona and no one portrayal could ever be 100% accurate.

That said, and with all respect to Hammil and Nicholson, Heath Ledger's interpretation of the Joker is the one I want to see. Not the actor, keep in mind, but the presentation. I don't care for gimmicky villains in my super-hero movies. Movies are the one time when comic material is taken even a little bit seriously as the art that it is, and no matter what works on the comic page, acid-spewing flowers and giant prop guns just dilute it and "prove" that anything related to a comic is "kids stuff".

My Joker was always the one who shot and crippled Barbara Gordon in front of Jim, in their house, with no warning, then stripped her, photographed her, and made Jim watch in an attempt to drive him mad. And for an encore, after escaping from Arkham he beat 15-year old Jason/Robin half-dead with a crowbar in front of his mother, then blew them both to hell in a warehouse explosion. To me, these were the defining moments in the Joker's history. Not the gimmicks, or the gags, but that pure, unflinching evil.

Nicholson's Joker and Hammil's Joker just never seemed capable to me of going that dark. Both of them were about 1/2 to 3/4 there, but in the end just ended up too goofy (which in the case of the cartoon can be forgiven). Ledger's portrayal was about as close to that kind of madness as I could have imagined. He was the best, even without the comic book origin story.

But irreplaceable? Hardly. Now that Ledger did the hard work, any number of actors could take the part up where he left off and maybe even do it better.

I hope so. Because Gordon clearly has a daughter in these movies and if the Joker doesn't someday cripple her in a sequel I'll be very upset. What's Crispin Glover doing these days?

*Ninjinister* · 02-13-2009, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ThirdMarioBro

Ahem, I think you mean Michelle Pfeiffer

Unless there's some joke there that flew over my head, I don't get why she would mean that....

**ThirdMarioBro** · 02-13-2009, 06:23 PM

I too would like to see Ledger's manic portrayal of the Joker live on, but I don't think you'll get it with the Batman Begins series. No actor would be suicidal enough to step into that role within the next ten years.

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Originally Posted by The Ninjinister

Unless there's some joke there that flew over my head, I don't get why she would mean that....

I think what flew over your head was the fact that I'm saying Pfeiffer makes Kitt look like a cheerleader, but that's a whole different fight entirely.

*Drtooth* · 02-14-2009, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ThirdMarioBro

I can see it now. Christopher Nolan decided he would rather work on something else, so Warner Bros goes out and hires Michael Bay to do a Batman movie. We then all proceed to hang ourselves.

Not so far fetched you know.

Exactly... not the end all be all, but I want to see him continue his vision, and not someone else trying to copy his vision and failing miserably.

Though, I still say, as far as the Joker goes, don't have him in the next film, and focus on one or 2 other villains who pose a bigger threat while the Joker is still at large.

Chrissie Terrapin · 02-14-2009, 02:09 PM

banning Joker from TV? yeeah right....

*The Stryker* · 02-14-2009, 07:11 PM

I really couldn't care less if Nolan continues with the movies or not.

Hamato Yoshi · 02-23-2009, 04:08 PM

"number 23 jersey"

Kareem Jabbar supposedly used 32 as respect to his friend Bruce Lee.....

"banning Joker from TV? yeeah right"

I know you don't like W Bush but to call him a joker....isn't that a bit much

Joker isn't that tough...let's see him in the ring with Undertaker and we'll see his laugh being put permanently to sleep & Joker crying like a toddler....lmao

Fanboys : "Joker should NEVER return !"

*Joker bursts thru a door and shoots every fanboy in sight*

Joker : "Like hell I wouldn't return huh ?" *laughs manically*

That'd be a fun scene lol

*KROW* · 02-23-2009, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Hamato Yoshi

"number 23 jersey"

Kareem Jabbar supposedly used 32 as respect to his friend Bruce Lee.....

"banning Joker from TV? yeeah right"

I know you don't like W Bush but to call him a joker....isn't that a bit much

Joker isn't that tough...let's see him in the ring with Undertaker and we'll see his laugh being put permanently to sleep & Joker crying like a toddler....lmao

Fanboys : "Joker should NEVER return !"

*Joker bursts thru a door and shoots every fanboy in sight*

Joker : "Like hell I wouldn't return huh ?" *laughs manically*

That'd be a fun scene lol

Well, that was absurd...

*XERO* · 02-23-2009, 04:52 PM

I think he was... joking...

*gobo* · 02-23-2009, 05:41 PM

Hard to tell...

*Mr._Mutant_Man* · 03-01-2009, 09:40 AM

I think Ledger's Joker was the best on-screen interpretation yet, but this is taking that praise way too far. It's closed minded to think that there can't be another actor to play a great Joker later. The Joker character has been around since the 1940's. The character is as timeless as Batman himself, suggesting that he be "retired" is stupid.

I think Christopher Reeve's Superman was just as good as Ledger's Joker, but I don't hear anyone making a big deal about Superman possibly being recast in the future. For better or worse, the characters should be given a chance to continue on.

*Drtooth* · 03-02-2009, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Chrissie Terrapin

banning Joker from TV? yeeah right....

Can I just say that long, long ago when the thread title first came up, I thought it was some B.S. from some parental group or something?

02-14-2009, 02:09 PM	#26
Chrissie Terrapin Foot Soldier Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: somewhere Posts: 180	banning Joker from TV? yeeah right.... __________________

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The Stryker Stupid Rich Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Room 237 Posts: 11,152	I really couldn't care less if Nolan continues with the movies or not. __________________ @~<3 Mom~@

02-23-2009, 04:08 PM	#28
Hamato Yoshi Stone Warrior Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 950	"number 23 jersey" Kareem Jabbar supposedly used 32 as respect to his friend Bruce Lee..... "banning Joker from TV? yeeah right" I know you don't like W Bush but to call him a joker....isn't that a bit much Joker isn't that tough...let's see him in the ring with Undertaker and we'll see his laugh being put permanently to sleep & Joker crying like a toddler....lmao Fanboys : "Joker should NEVER return !" Joker bursts thru a door and shoots every fanboy in sight Joker : "Like hell I wouldn't return huh ?" laughs manically That'd be a fun scene lol Last edited by Hamato Yoshi; 02-23-2009 at 04:18 PM.

02-23-2009, 04:52 PM	#30
XERO Hybrid Theorist Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Alamo City Posts: 8,185	I think he was... joking... __________________ "Travel at the speed of light... then hit the nitro!"

02-23-2009, 05:41 PM	#31
gobo Wacky Action Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: on Earth Posts: 12,784	Hard to tell... __________________ Live and let live... or go to hell.

02-13-2009, 04:28 PM	#21
ToTheNines Col. Stinkmeaner Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19,386	Since FDR was such a good president, I say we knock that **** off too.

02-13-2009, 05:10 PM	#22
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Any real comic fan knows that the Joker has a severely fragmented personality and is constantly reinventing his persona. Sometimes he's a cold-blooded killer, others a clown, and so on. So he has no "true" persona and no one portrayal could ever be 100% accurate. That said, and with all respect to Hammil and Nicholson, Heath Ledger's interpretation of the Joker is the one I want to see. Not the actor, keep in mind, but the presentation. I don't care for gimmicky villains in my super-hero movies. Movies are the one time when comic material is taken even a little bit seriously as the art that it is, and no matter what works on the comic page, acid-spewing flowers and giant prop guns just dilute it and "prove" that anything related to a comic is "kids stuff". My Joker was always the one who shot and crippled Barbara Gordon in front of Jim, in their house, with no warning, then stripped her, photographed her, and made Jim watch in an attempt to drive him mad. And for an encore, after escaping from Arkham he beat 15-year old Jason/Robin half-dead with a crowbar in front of his mother, then blew them both to hell in a warehouse explosion. To me, these were the defining moments in the Joker's history. Not the gimmicks, or the gags, but that pure, unflinching evil. Nicholson's Joker and Hammil's Joker just never seemed capable to me of going that dark. Both of them were about 1/2 to 3/4 there, but in the end just ended up too goofy (which in the case of the cartoon can be forgiven). Ledger's portrayal was about as close to that kind of madness as I could have imagined. He was the best, even without the comic book origin story. But irreplaceable? Hardly. Now that Ledger did the hard work, any number of actors could take the part up where he left off and maybe even do it better. I hope so. Because Gordon clearly has a daughter in these movies and if the Joker doesn't someday cripple her in a sequel I'll be very upset. What's Crispin Glover doing these days?

03-01-2009, 09:40 AM	#32
Mr._Mutant_Man Mad Scientist Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,340	I think Ledger's Joker was the best on-screen interpretation yet, but this is taking that praise way too far. It's closed minded to think that there can't be another actor to play a great Joker later. The Joker character has been around since the 1940's. The character is as timeless as Batman himself, suggesting that he be "retired" is stupid. I think Christopher Reeve's Superman was just as good as Ledger's Joker, but I don't hear anyone making a big deal about Superman possibly being recast in the future. For better or worse, the characters should be given a chance to continue on.