Banning The Joker

*The Stryker* · 02-12-2009, 07:13 PM

LONDON, England (CNN) -- A group of Heath Ledger fans have taken their reverence for the late "The Dark Knight" star to a whole new level.
Heath Ledger fans at Web site, The Ultimate Joker, launched a petition calling for studios to remove The Joker from future Batman movies.

Heath Ledger fans launched a petition calling for studios to remove the Joker from future Batman movies.

Followers of the actor, who electrified audiences with his chilling reinvention of the Joker in the second Batman blockbuster, are calling for the character to be retired from the movies permanently.

Ledger supporters at new Web site, The Ultimate Joker, launched a petition last week calling for studios to remove the Joker from any future Batman movies. The petition currently has 2,431 supporters.

"We think Heath deserves this honor," the site's team leader, Fer Barbella, told CNN from Buenos Aires, Argentina. "He is the ultimate Joker."

"We are Batman fans from the comics and from the movies," he said, "After we saw 'The Dark Knight,' we thought this Joker was really the best. It deserves to be withdrawn from any Batman sequels.

"When Michael Jordan retired, they withdrew the number 23 jersey as an honor. It's the same thing with Heath."

Barbella said he thinks any new performance just won't be able to top Ledger's. "He upgraded the character in a thrilling way," he said. "Although a lot of actors would love the chance to play the Joker, as Batman fans and now Heath Ledger fans, we think no one could ever perform it as well as he did."

The Web site is the brainchild of Barbella, 34; Nico Pimentel, 33; and Natalia Rodoni, 33, all advertising creatives in Buenos Aires.

The trio say that if they collect enough names, they may go to the studio to present their petition.

"As soon as we start seeing that we have more than 50,000 names on our Web site, perhaps we will go to the Warner Brothers gate and do a bit of activism," Pimentel said.

The huge buzz around Ledger's performance as the Joker last year stemmed from his update of the iconic character played by camp comedian Cesar Romero and as a hateful clown by Jack Nicholson.

Ledger's Joker was a very different proposition from those that had come before: In a ripped, stained suit, with clown makeup smeared across a scarred, twisted mouth, his Joker was a nihilistic, sociopathic prankster. "Why so serious?" he sneered in a performance that received rave reviews from critics globally. Do you agree that Heath Ledger's Joker should be the last one ever?

The actor was found dead after overdosing on prescription drugs at his apartment in New York on January 22, 2008, shortly after concluding work on "The Dark Knight."

Ledger has been nominated for an Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor for his portrayal of the Joker, having been awarded a Golden Globe for Best Supporting Actor and a BAFTA for Best Supporting Actor.

Barbella says that the Web site and petition are their award: "The Academy gives an Oscar," he said. "This is a new award from the people. A user-generated award."

......I really really hate these people.

*Coola Yagami* · 02-12-2009, 07:45 PM

.... This is just insane. Yes, Ledger did an excellent job as the Joker... but seeing as he was set in Nolan's world... he was a little too 'real'. Where's the acid bath-induced bleached skin? The killer laughing gas? The acid-spewing flower? The razor-sharp playing cards? Hell, the insane laughter? Ledger hardly pulled a LOL. I mean maybe later down the line we'll see a Joker that can pull off 'serious' and 'real' as well as the gags that made the Joker famous.

*Cure* · 02-12-2009, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

.... This is just insane. Yes, Ledger did an excellent job as the Joker... but seeing as he was set in Nolan's world... he was a little too 'real'. Where's the acid bath-induced bleached skin? The killer laughing gas? The acid-spewing flower? The razor-sharp playing cards? Hell, the insane laughter? Ledger hardly pulled a LOL. I mean maybe later down the line we'll see a Joker that can pull off 'serious' and 'real' as well as the gags that made the Joker famous.

So, uh...miss the point?

These people are retarded. Joker wasn't Heath Ledger, Heath Ledger was Joker. If that makes sense.

*Ninjinister* · 02-12-2009, 08:27 PM

Every subsequent live action version of The Joker is considered the definitive version. As cool as Ledger's was, there will be a better one.

*Wes* · 02-12-2009, 09:21 PM

Personally, I prefer Nicholson's Joker to Ledger's. If he doesn't laugh lots and kill you with Joker Venom, he's not Joker to me!

Naturally, I like Hamill's Joker in the DCAU better than both of the live-action versions.

*Spitfire* · 02-12-2009, 09:32 PM

I always hated Nicholson's Joker even before "Dark Knight" was conceived. What he does in the movie hardly dictates his acting ability. Ledger didn't write the script he played the part. If he shot acid at people it wouldn't fit in this movie. I had some stoner tell me he didn't like Ledger because Nicholson's Joker pulls a giant gun out of his pants and Ledger didn't do that. It's all opinion when it boils down to it and that's my two cents. Like Wes said Mark Hamil is my Joker but he's way to old and doesn't look the part to be playing him.

This is just stupid. The producers and director know Ledger was great in the role. If they can't find a good replacement they won't recast them. I trust Nolan that much.

*The Stryker* · 02-12-2009, 09:41 PM

They want the Joker gone from ALL future Batman movies.

**Jester** · 02-12-2009, 09:41 PM

Wow....I thought I was alone. Mark Hamil's my Joker as well...especially in the Batman Beyond movie. Man he's bad-a.

As for a Joker embargo, that's just asinine. Would that expand to any new series or even the comics? I mean why not claim Heath was the best Joker in ALL MEDIA!!

*Buslady* · 02-12-2009, 10:05 PM

like this'll ever happen...

IMO, the best damn joker...well, voice, is Mark Hamill...I hear him as the Joker before anyone else. I thought it was cool he voiced Joker on Robot Chicken too

Can't ever mistake that voice

**Machias Banshee** · 02-12-2009, 10:09 PM

The idea of stopping the continued use of a beloved (or behated?) character like the Joker is laughable. That's like saying Superman can't be used anymore cuz of Christopher Reeve... Or Ertha Kitt for Catwoman...

It's just ONE version out of many of the Character of the Joker. You can never say, "Okay, THIS is the ONLY Joker allowed." It's not going to allow for any growth. If we'd done that after Nicholson (my personal fave), we Never would have gotten Ledger's in the first place...

*Spitfire* · 02-13-2009, 02:32 AM

I was under the impression they just wanted him removed from the current series. If they did future Batman films featuring a different production team and lead role then I could totally see them bringing in another Joker. That however I see being several years down the line. If their request is to get him taken out forever from movies then they're just raving fanatics.

*Tinuvielsdreams* · 02-13-2009, 02:34 AM

Heath was amazing and I love his version of the Joker but, I also love the character of the joker in general so I really hope to keep seeing him.

I love Mark Hamil's for Joker's voice in the animated stuff, he's perfect

*gobo* · 02-13-2009, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Jester

Wow....I thought I was alone. Mark Hamil's my Joker as well.

I was just about to say that. ^_^

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Originally Posted by Jester

I mean why not claim Heath was the best Joker in ALL MEDIA!!

While that actually is what they said, I think they are being misinterpreted as to what their goal is. If they wanted to get Joker removed from all future Batman media, why bring the petition to the movie studio? They'd want to bring it direct to DC. I think, reasonably, they just don't want any cheap imitations in sequels. In the Burton-directed/inspired movies, villains were used once and never heard from again. In Nolan's, they did have a cameo for Scarecrow in Dark Knight, and it appears that they didn't kill off the Joker because they have plans to use him in future sequels, so I think they're right to worry. Hell, they even recast Rachel...

Ra · 02-13-2009, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by TheCure

These people are retarded. Joker wasn't Heath Ledger, Heath Ledger was Joker. If that makes sense.

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Originally Posted by Machias Banshee

The idea of stopping the continued use of a beloved (or behated?) character like the Joker is laughable. That's like saying Superman can't be used anymore cuz of Christopher Reeve... Or Ertha Kitt for Catwoman...

Agreed with the above two points.

I loved Heath Ledger's performance dearly, but this is just plain stupid. If anyone wants to bar off the Joker from any future features in the movie cinemas, that's all about personal opinion. But let's face it - you can't compare all the roles of the Joker. At all.

Ledger WAS the Joker in that movie, no denying that. But he will never be the last person to act as him. He's left behind a spectacular performance that we can all enjoy and be extremely entertained by, and played a role that he loved dearly. The whole idea of a "Joker Ban" is just plain silly, since it just defeats the whole purpose to bring in new takes on the character.

Besides, do we want to see Batman fighting this monstrosity in the next movie revamp because they couldn't get Joker back in?

I didn't think so.

*The Stryker* · 02-13-2009, 08:22 AM

Hell, I wouldn't be opposed to them recasting Joker in the next movie if the original plan was for Joker to return.

I liked Two-Face more anyway.

*Drtooth* · 02-13-2009, 10:05 AM

I think it's ridiculous to ban the Joker from all Batman media... but here's my take on this. While Heath isn't the end all be all, I agree with someone who told me his view on the subject.... the Joker should remain an unseen menace, while Batman tackles another villain entirely. That is if there's a Batman Begins 3. We shouldn't retire the character completely, but not recast him out of respect- sort of like what they did in the Pink Panther movies after Peter Sellers died halfway through his last one. The Joker would still be there, still be a menace... referenced... but not technically in the movie.

of course, that's ONLY if they continue the Batman begins franchise. I'm honestly worried more about the director not coming back. Again, he's not the end all be all, but would we really want to see someone trying to emulate the same directing style without catching the subtleties? Would we really want a repeat of Batman Forever and Batman and Robin? Honestly, if they can't get the director, we should put batman on the back burner and reboot it, and not try to make sequals that won't hold up.

*Voltron* · 02-13-2009, 01:27 PM

I think this is ridiculous. They shouldn't ban Joker from future media. They should take all past media and burn that, too. I mean, let's face it, Heath Ledger is the closest we'll ever get to the Second Coming, and we don't need false idols clouding his miracle. I mean work. Work.

*Cipher* · 02-13-2009, 02:08 PM

Do they mean remove him from all future media? That's ridiculous and would never happen, of course.

And I get the feeling these people have never read a Batman comic in their life. Heath Ledger wasn't the best Joker. In fact, his character was a pretty radical depature from previous versions. The Joker is usually, what's the word, more "suave"? His version was good, but it wasn't definitive. Mark Hamill still played it closer to the comics.

If they mean keep him out of future Batman Begins sequels, I sort of agree, but don't feel too strongly on the subject.

Leonardo87 · 02-13-2009, 02:51 PM

I highly doubt that will ever happen removing Joker from all media. He has been around before those fans were even born! The Joker is one of the greatest comic book villians, yes , but there is Joker fans who enjoy all the incarnations of the character like me for example.

**ThirdMarioBro** · 02-13-2009, 04:04 PM

Nicholson's Joker sucked. Ledger was amazing as the Joker, and while I like to think of that movie as perfection, someday somebody else will try. Maybe it will be better. Maybe it won't. Who knows. Either way, these douchebags aren't going to change anything with their silly little petition, so let's laugh at their closed mindedness and move on.

And regardless of how we look at this, it doesn't change the fact that Mark Hamill kicks all of their asses combined.

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Originally Posted by Machias Banshee

Or Ertha Kitt for Catwoman...

Ahem, I think you mean Michelle Pfeiffer

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Originally Posted by Cipher

If they mean keep him out of future Batman Begins sequels, I sort of agree, but don't feel too strongly on the subject.

I agree with that idea, but we're getting at most one more movie out of this series, and even that's not certain at this point. If Nolan wants out, then I'm getting out. Remember the words of Robot Chicken..."This smells like Batman Forever".

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Originally Posted by Drtooth

I'm honestly worried more about the director not coming back. Again, he's not the end all be all, but would we really want to see someone trying to emulate the same directing style without catching the subtleties? Would we really want a repeat of Batman Forever and Batman and Robin? Honestly, if they can't get the director, we should put batman on the back burner and reboot it, and not try to make sequals that won't hold up.

I can see it now. Christopher Nolan decided he would rather work on something else, so Warner Bros goes out and hires Michael Bay to do a Batman movie. We then all proceed to hang ourselves.

Not so far fetched you know.

02-12-2009, 07:13 PM	#1
The Stryker Stupid Rich Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Room 237 Posts: 11,152	Banning The Joker LONDON, England (CNN) -- A group of Heath Ledger fans have taken their reverence for the late "The Dark Knight" star to a whole new level. Heath Ledger fans at Web site, The Ultimate Joker, launched a petition calling for studios to remove The Joker from future Batman movies. Heath Ledger fans launched a petition calling for studios to remove the Joker from future Batman movies. Followers of the actor, who electrified audiences with his chilling reinvention of the Joker in the second Batman blockbuster, are calling for the character to be retired from the movies permanently. Ledger supporters at new Web site, The Ultimate Joker, launched a petition last week calling for studios to remove the Joker from any future Batman movies. The petition currently has 2,431 supporters. "We think Heath deserves this honor," the site's team leader, Fer Barbella, told CNN from Buenos Aires, Argentina. "He is the ultimate Joker." "We are Batman fans from the comics and from the movies," he said, "After we saw 'The Dark Knight,' we thought this Joker was really the best. It deserves to be withdrawn from any Batman sequels. "When Michael Jordan retired, they withdrew the number 23 jersey as an honor. It's the same thing with Heath." Barbella said he thinks any new performance just won't be able to top Ledger's. "He upgraded the character in a thrilling way," he said. "Although a lot of actors would love the chance to play the Joker, as Batman fans and now Heath Ledger fans, we think no one could ever perform it as well as he did." The Web site is the brainchild of Barbella, 34; Nico Pimentel, 33; and Natalia Rodoni, 33, all advertising creatives in Buenos Aires. The trio say that if they collect enough names, they may go to the studio to present their petition. "As soon as we start seeing that we have more than 50,000 names on our Web site, perhaps we will go to the Warner Brothers gate and do a bit of activism," Pimentel said. The huge buzz around Ledger's performance as the Joker last year stemmed from his update of the iconic character played by camp comedian Cesar Romero and as a hateful clown by Jack Nicholson. Ledger's Joker was a very different proposition from those that had come before: In a ripped, stained suit, with clown makeup smeared across a scarred, twisted mouth, his Joker was a nihilistic, sociopathic prankster. "Why so serious?" he sneered in a performance that received rave reviews from critics globally. Do you agree that Heath Ledger's Joker should be the last one ever? The actor was found dead after overdosing on prescription drugs at his apartment in New York on January 22, 2008, shortly after concluding work on "The Dark Knight." Ledger has been nominated for an Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor for his portrayal of the Joker, having been awarded a Golden Globe for Best Supporting Actor and a BAFTA for Best Supporting Actor. Barbella says that the Web site and petition are their award: "The Academy gives an Oscar," he said. "This is a new award from the people. A user-generated award." ......I really really hate these people. __________________ @~<3 Mom~@

02-12-2009, 08:27 PM	#4
Ninjinister 無問題 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Moesko Island, WA Posts: 14,348	Every subsequent live action version of The Joker is considered the definitive version. As cool as Ledger's was, there will be a better one. __________________

02-12-2009, 09:21 PM	#5
Wes Mad Scientist Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: A very scary place. With crayons! Posts: 1,607	Personally, I prefer Nicholson's Joker to Ledger's. If he doesn't laugh lots and kill you with Joker Venom, he's not Joker to me! Naturally, I like Hamill's Joker in the DCAU better than both of the live-action versions. __________________ * Scary-Crayon * Wesoteric * Chew your gum properly, ok? Aaand... Technodrome buy/sell/trade thread here!

02-12-2009, 09:32 PM	#6
Spitfire Writer • Director Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,035	I always hated Nicholson's Joker even before "Dark Knight" was conceived. What he does in the movie hardly dictates his acting ability. Ledger didn't write the script he played the part. If he shot acid at people it wouldn't fit in this movie. I had some stoner tell me he didn't like Ledger because Nicholson's Joker pulls a giant gun out of his pants and Ledger didn't do that. It's all opinion when it boils down to it and that's my two cents. Like Wes said Mark Hamil is my Joker but he's way to old and doesn't look the part to be playing him. This is just stupid. The producers and director know Ledger was great in the role. If they can't find a good replacement they won't recast them. I trust Nolan that much. __________________ Check out my online portfolio http://www.christopherpelletier.com/

02-12-2009, 09:41 PM	#7
The Stryker Stupid Rich Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Room 237 Posts: 11,152	They want the Joker gone from ALL future Batman movies. __________________ @~<3 Mom~@

02-12-2009, 07:45 PM	#2
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,721	.... This is just insane. Yes, Ledger did an excellent job as the Joker... but seeing as he was set in Nolan's world... he was a little too 'real'. Where's the acid bath-induced bleached skin? The killer laughing gas? The acid-spewing flower? The razor-sharp playing cards? Hell, the insane laughter? Ledger hardly pulled a LOL. I mean maybe later down the line we'll see a Joker that can pull off 'serious' and 'real' as well as the gags that made the Joker famous.

02-12-2009, 09:41 PM	#8
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,301	Wow....I thought I was alone. Mark Hamil's my Joker as well...especially in the Batman Beyond movie. Man he's bad-a. As for a Joker embargo, that's just asinine. Would that expand to any new series or even the comics? I mean why not claim Heath was the best Joker in ALL MEDIA!! __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

02-12-2009, 10:05 PM	#9
Buslady WingsOfDarkness! Perkele! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In 7803... Posts: 4,366	like this'll ever happen... IMO, the best damn joker...well, voice, is Mark Hamill...I hear him as the Joker before anyone else. I thought it was cool he voiced Joker on Robot Chicken too Can't ever mistake that voice __________________

02-12-2009, 10:09 PM	#10
Machias Banshee Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 17,163	The idea of stopping the continued use of a beloved (or behated?) character like the Joker is laughable. That's like saying Superman can't be used anymore cuz of Christopher Reeve... Or Ertha Kitt for Catwoman... It's just ONE version out of many of the Character of the Joker. You can never say, "Okay, THIS is the ONLY Joker allowed." It's not going to allow for any growth. If we'd done that after Nicholson (my personal fave), we Never would have gotten Ledger's in the first place...

02-13-2009, 02:32 AM	#11
Spitfire Writer • Director Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,035	I was under the impression they just wanted him removed from the current series. If they did future Batman films featuring a different production team and lead role then I could totally see them bringing in another Joker. That however I see being several years down the line. If their request is to get him taken out forever from movies then they're just raving fanatics. __________________ Check out my online portfolio http://www.christopherpelletier.com/

02-13-2009, 02:34 AM	#12
Tinuvielsdreams Nothing without passion Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,722	Heath was amazing and I love his version of the Joker but, I also love the character of the joker in general so I really hope to keep seeing him. I love Mark Hamil's for Joker's voice in the animated stuff, he's perfect

02-13-2009, 08:22 AM	#15
The Stryker Stupid Rich Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Room 237 Posts: 11,152	Hell, I wouldn't be opposed to them recasting Joker in the next movie if the original plan was for Joker to return. I liked Two-Face more anyway. __________________ @~<3 Mom~@

02-13-2009, 10:05 AM	#16
Drtooth Foot Elite Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 4,439	I think it's ridiculous to ban the Joker from all Batman media... but here's my take on this. While Heath isn't the end all be all, I agree with someone who told me his view on the subject.... the Joker should remain an unseen menace, while Batman tackles another villain entirely. That is if there's a Batman Begins 3. We shouldn't retire the character completely, but not recast him out of respect- sort of like what they did in the Pink Panther movies after Peter Sellers died halfway through his last one. The Joker would still be there, still be a menace... referenced... but not technically in the movie. of course, that's ONLY if they continue the Batman begins franchise. I'm honestly worried more about the director not coming back. Again, he's not the end all be all, but would we really want to see someone trying to emulate the same directing style without catching the subtleties? Would we really want a repeat of Batman Forever and Batman and Robin? Honestly, if they can't get the director, we should put batman on the back burner and reboot it, and not try to make sequals that won't hold up. __________________ [Insert mildly amusing banner here]

02-13-2009, 01:27 PM	#17
Voltron Handsomest Boy in School Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The Realm of SJW Posts: 4,642	I think this is ridiculous. They shouldn't ban Joker from future media. They should take all past media and burn that, too. I mean, let's face it, Heath Ledger is the closest we'll ever get to the Second Coming, and we don't need false idols clouding his miracle. I mean work. Work. __________________ I AM FOR ACTUAL! . . . and the White Savior. . . and the Right Hand of God. . .

02-13-2009, 02:08 PM	#18
Cipher Foot Elite Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 3,454	Do they mean remove him from all future media? That's ridiculous and would never happen, of course. And I get the feeling these people have never read a Batman comic in their life. Heath Ledger wasn't the best Joker. In fact, his character was a pretty radical depature from previous versions. The Joker is usually, what's the word, more "suave"? His version was good, but it wasn't definitive. Mark Hamill still played it closer to the comics. If they mean keep him out of future Batman Begins sequels, I sort of agree, but don't feel too strongly on the subject.

02-13-2009, 02:51 PM	#19
Leonardo87 Stone Warrior Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Columbus Indiana Posts: 688	I highly doubt that will ever happen removing Joker from all media. He has been around before those fans were even born! The Joker is one of the greatest comic book villians, yes , but there is Joker fans who enjoy all the incarnations of the character like me for example.