Which TMNT universe had the best ending?

[MikeandRaph87]

I see the three part "Year of The Turtle" as a standalone work not related to TMNTA so I am sure whatever was intended it will work. Even if the characterization or plot was to be similar so many years have passed by I doubt it would hurt the portrayals or intentions of what Shredder was to do. Your right it may never see the light of day yet you never know.

[gobo]

Was Forever War even intended to be the last ever TMNT Adventure or was it just the last one planned?

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by mikeandraph87

I see the three part "Year of The Turtle" as a standalone work not related to TMNTA so I am sure whatever was intended it will work. Even if the characterization or plot was to be similar so many years have passed by I doubt it would hurt the portrayals or intentions of what Shredder was to do. Your right it may never see the light of day yet you never know.

No. It was directly continued from the Archie universe.

Originally Posted by gobo

Was Forever War even intended to be the last ever TMNT Adventure or was it just the last one planned?

I don't think The Forever War was intended to be the ending either, Murphy had no idea the book was being canceled. It was simply the next story arc.

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by gobo

Was Forever War even intended to be the last ever TMNT Adventure or was it just the last one planned?

From what I have learned from talking with Peter Laird at a convention yes it was. Apparently Archie's publisher thought it was getting too dark following the death of the Mighty Mutimals and others along with the decline in popularity the Forever War was crafted not at first but later on to finish the run under the Archie banner. However, before the five parter could be completed the plug was pulled and in its place we got the two part story about how the TMNT got their weapons and the non-affiliated Year of The Turtle as the final five produced issues by Archie.

[Hermano Dyvas]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Year of the Turtle wrapped up the Shredder. I don't know why people are sitting there waiting on the Forever War, when if it comes out now it'll likely be completely rewritten from whatever was intended back in 1995.

We are waiting for it because the advertisement of it in 70# looked awesome! From what I've heard it was going to contain a lot of throwbacks to the entire archie run as well, featuring characters like Scumbug and Wyrm.

Year of the turtle, while a good story, wasn't the originally intended finale and we all know it! It kind of felt disconnected from everything that came before it too.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Hermano Dyvas

Year of the turtle, while a good story, wasn't the originally intended finale and we all know it! It kind of felt disconnected from everything that came before it too.

What was disconnected? The previous story was Raph breaking up with Ninjara and the Turtles returning to New York.

The only thing not explained is how Shredder got back to the present from the future, but I don't see that being a big deal.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

What was disconnected? The previous story was Raph breaking up with Ninjara and the Turtles returning to New York.

The only thing not explained is how Shredder got back to the present from the future, but I don't see that being a big deal.

For me, it's just that the over-all tone seems off.

[CyberCubed]

It has a different art style but tons of Archie issues were done by different artists.

In true Archie fashion, the Turtles go globe-trotting.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

It has a different art style but tons of Archie issues were done by different artists.

In true Archie fashion, the Turtles go globe-trotting.

I wouldn't say "tons". Other than Ken and Chris, there was maybe 3 other artists who worked on the main series (I don't count the flashback issues).

But the writing also just didn't feel like the Adventures Universe for me. I think it's fine that you see it as a good ending, I just don't accept it myself.

That said, I do think it's a pretty good read (even though I haven't tracked down #1).

[CyberCubed]

mycomicsshop currently has all 3 Year of the Turtle issues, even though they're really expensive....$7.00 for a mint copy...yikes.

Anyhow I thought the whole killer monks thing, traveling to tibet, and the search for the 13th talisman fit very well into the Archie world.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

mycomicsshop currently has all 3 Year of the Turtle issues, even though they're really expensive....$7.00 for a mint copy...yikes.

Anyhow I thought the whole killer monks thing, traveling to tibet, and the search for the 13th talisman fit very well into the Archie world.

I'll get it someday. But yeah, I could accept if I wanted to, I guess. But I'd rather hold out hope for Forever War.

[Hermano Dyvas]

Originally Posted by Hermano Dyvas

Year of the turtle, while a good story, wasn't the originally intended finale and we all know it! It kind of felt disconnected from everything that came before it too.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

What was disconnected? The previous story was Raph breaking up with Ninjara and the Turtles returning to New York.

The only thing not explained is how Shredder got back to the present from the future, but I don't see that being a big deal.

I do, but that's not what makes me say this.

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

For me, it's just that the over-all tone seems off.

This is what makes me say this, the over-all tone just didn't feel very Archie-like.
Other things, big and small, that made it feel disconnected from Archie are:

- They went from traveling Alaska to suddenly looking for a talisman, where did that come from? Just didn't feel like a natural flow.

- No more reference to Ninjara at all, I find it hard to believe Raph wouldn't be grieving anymore.

- Besides Shredder's unexplained return, where the hell did his henchmen come from?

- Suddenly they are living in a subway lair, this happened in the movies, not Archie.

- Mention of Casey Jones, he never showed up in Archie!

- We knew it should've been forever war!

[Andrew NDB]

Given their slightly modified costumes and all that, it shouldn't be a mystery to anyone that some time was intended to pass between the end of the core Archie series and "Year of the Turtle."

[Hermano Dyvas]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Given their slightly modified costumes and all that, it shouldn't be a mystery to anyone that some time was intended to pass between the end of the core Archie series and "Year of the Turtle."

Which actually aids in making it feel disconnected from everything before it. It's a great story but it's not really the greatest ending to me.

I've read you're involved in the forever war fanproject, I'd like to thank you for that. It will be great seeing the orginally intended finale which ties in a lot more with the previous stuff.

Will it actually bridge a gap to "year of the turtle" as well? Explaining shredder's return to the present and his new allies?

Probably too early to ask isn't it? (not to mention off-topic)

[Herald7]

I really wish I could say OT or the movies series, but yeah neither one had great endings for me, lol.

I guess Turtles Forever is the closest to a good ending, though even that I had problems with, hehe.

[ToTheNines]

Check out this poll... we've finally found something all Turtles fans can agree upon lol.

[gobo]

Thanks for the invitation to vote for something else just to spite you, but I already cast my vote. I'm sure someone else will be happy to oblige tho. ^_^

[CyberCubed]

Regarding the Archie thing:

Originally Posted by Hermano Dyvas

- They went from traveling Alaska to suddenly looking for a talisman, where did that come from? Just didn't feel like a natural flow.

The Turtles were back in New York at the start of "Year of the Turtle." Obviously we saw them heading home from Alaska...it didn't literally take place the very next day.

No more reference to Ninjara at all, I find it hard to believe Raph wouldn't be grieving anymore.

They just broke up. There was no reason for her to be mentioned. Her character was essentially written off the series by that point.

Besides Shredder's unexplained return, where the hell did his henchmen come from?

Why are you asking this when those henchmen were new characters? In the summary page it flat out says that Shredder hired them as mercenaries.

It was perfect continuity, as Shredder was still rogue without any Foot or Krang or Bebop/Rocksteady or anyone else to help him.

Suddenly they are living in a subway lair, this happened in the movies, not Archie.

I'll give you this.

Mention of Casey Jones, he never showed up in Archie!

Heh, I saw this as an easter egg nod to fans. Either that or the writers really didn't know Casey never appeared in Archie. Whoops?

We knew it should've been forever war!

Actually issues #71 and 72 replaced The Forever war....this was three issues later.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

The first NES game also had an ending with Splinter finally becoming human again I think.

[Hermano Dyvas]

Originally Posted by Hermano Dyvas

- Besides Shredder's unexplained return, where the hell did his henchmen come from?

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Why are you asking this when those henchmen were new characters? In the summary page it flat out says that Shredder hired them as mercenaries.

It was perfect continuity, as Shredder was still rogue without any Foot or Krang or Bebop/Rocksteady or anyone else to help him.

I didn't remember them being hired mercenaries. Ok, that part works then .