Looking to start a new RPG!

[Jade Green]

Originally Posted by tormentedvagrant

The reason I need to limit her powers is so that she can't find people who have been kidnapped, always know if someone is lieing, read enemys thoughts, find other secret hideouts. How bout communication only works with certin people/mutants over long distances, across a city ex... these people/mutants being thouse whom she has a connection with, friends she has become farmiliar with. This way they can talk, but she wont know where they are, they can tell her though if they know. Hows that sound?
Thanks,
Tazukie

Hrn, question, would you accept Jean Grey? (before pheonix of course)

Because Randi's powers act a lot like hers. If The Telepathy part is the only thing you have a trouble with, then well... READ THE OTHER RPGS SHE'S BEEN IN DUDE!

If you will notice, all the people she does contact telepathically are people she HAS met before!!! And LIKE I SAID BEFORE She can keep contact with them across the city (or maybe a little further than that), but that does not mean she knows WHERE the are! Don't worry, she won't be all ****ing powerful! SHe isn't in the other role play games shes in!

[tormentedvagrant]

Ok, this is how it works, there are no dice! The story goes in one direction, say a fight with the shredder, tell a piece of the story from your charecters point of view. Well you telling your part you can only quote what someone else's charecter would say only if they said it and you needed to tie it in somehow. This does not mean if my charecter said "It's cold as ice," this does not mean you can, in the story in a different scene, speak that line for my charecter. Its like passing a talking stick, so if you write, Leonardo slashed at the shredder causing his cheek to bleed, then thats what happened. You can NOT fo on to say that the shredder felt a great deal of pain and hollered out of rage. The reaction would be left to the shredder. One can also simply say, Leonardo swung his blades in hopes of hitting his mark, and stop there. This allowes another charecter to step in and say what happens. Minor actions for charecters you don't control are ok, for example, If Raphel was yelled at, one would know enough as to say raphel's face would not look sad. Im not going to be strict you can take the definition of minor actions the way you wish and the other players or I, will tell you if your taking too much control. Since what you add to the story is well in your controll I will be strict about players killing other players, cutting off limbs of other players, seveir damage delt to players (ex: Donatello's brain was exposed) without that players concent. Seveir damage to me is anything that restricts the useage of a charecter. As for combat rewards, there are none, unless there is a tornement, thats different. hope i didn't just confuse everyone.

[tormentedvagrant]

Well I would have the same limitations on Jean Gray so its not just you. I think it will be fine, communication is not the biggist concern, and what you have said is not a problem. Your charecter will be good in the RPG, im not trying to make her a weak powerless loser. My biggist concern really is mind reading. Well we will see how it works out in the RPG right? Thanks for being, well, negociable and constructive.

[heretic888]

If you're gonna be a dick, then screw it.

I'm not being a dick, I'm being realistic. Trust me, I have had to deal with things like this obvious lack of structure and rules TWICE and it's not pretty. Just ask Jade. The only way fights without some kind of structured rules will work is if someone just basically agrees to lay down and lose the fight.

Hrn, question, would you accept Jean Grey? (before pheonix of course)

Because Randi's powers act a lot like hers. If The Telepathy part is the only thing you have a trouble with, then well... READ THE OTHER RPGS SHE'S BEEN IN DUDE!

Hey, Jade, I have a question: can Randi levitate/float/fly like Jean Grey can?? Cuz I don't think she's ever done that before (at least not when Mike is around).....

Ok, this is how it works, there are no dice!

Better hope there are no serious fights between major characters, then.

The story goes in one direction, say a fight with the shredder, tell a piece of the story from your charecters point of view. Well you telling your part you can only quote what someone else's charecter would say only if they said it and you needed to tie it in somehow. This does not mean if my charecter said "It's cold as ice," this does not mean you can, in the story in a different scene, speak that line for my charecter. Its like passing a talking stick, so if you write, Leonardo slashed at the shredder causing his cheek to bleed, then thats what happened. You can NOT fo on to say that the shredder felt a great deal of pain and hollered out of rage. The reaction would be left to the shredder. One can also simply say, Leonardo swung his blades in hopes of hitting his mark, and stop there. This allowes another charecter to step in and say what happens.

So, in other words...... you could play a character so that they never get hit?? I mean, the person playing the Shredder could just say they always block or dodge the attack. Man, I wanna stick around with this one just to see things go south.... if a person has complete godlike power over how their character will respond, this basically leaves a huge power vacuum.

You know, this isn't a problem with non-serious RPGs (in which the outcomes of battles don't really matter), or with RPGs in which there is little real combat going around. But, if there's ever any REAL combat between major characters in this, watch out!! I can tell you things will go to hell.

Minor actions for charecters you don't control are ok, for example, If Raphel was yelled at, one would know enough as to say raphel's face would not look sad.

That doesn't sound very fair to me. Even with minor reactions like that, its basically up to the player as to how their character will respond. Raph might not have heard the insult or might simply ignore or agree with it. These 'minor reactions' sound like they are up to the character's player.

Since what you add to the story is well in your controll I will be strict about players killing other players, cutting off limbs of other players, seveir damage delt to players (ex: Donatello's brain was exposed) without that players concent. Seveir damage to me is anything that restricts the useage of a charecter.

I don't see why. No one is going to jump in and stop people from being killed or maimed in real life, so why here?? Again, this lack of structure and rules is going to cause problems inevitably. But, I'll still play along....

As for combat rewards, there are none, unless there is a tornement, thats different.

Ahem. When I said 'combat bonuses' (not 'rewards') I was referring to the notion that an obviously more talented, better trained fighter (such as Mike or Shredder) would be able to do certain actions easier than a less talented, less trained fighter (like Casey Jones). But... I guess, somehow, everyone is 'magically' equal in training and talent in this....

hope i didn't just confuse everyone.

No... but more than likely, you will have severe problems down the line... IF serious combat is ever involved.

Well I would have the same limitations on Jean Gray so its not just you. I think it will be fine, communication is not the biggist concern, and what you have said is not a problem. Your charecter will be good in the RPG, im not trying to make her a weak powerless loser. My biggist concern really is mind reading. Well we will see how it works out in the RPG right? Thanks for being, well, negociable and constructive.

Hmmm.... unless a character has some kind of mental defense, special training, or psychic powers, there is no reason their minds couldn't be read by someone like Randi or Jean.

[tormentedvagrant]

Heretic, Randi's ablities are not of your concern, minds will not be probed because in this rpg she will not have that ablity.

You are so sure that this is going to be one big mess, but you only speak from the experiance of failure. I have played in RPGs structured this way and it was very productive, so DON'T tell me that it's enevitably going to fail because you don't know. It may or may not fail, but it has worked before. I would agree that this is no hardcore RPG, with items, lists of skills, strenget levels, hit points etc. This is a game it is suposed to be fun. A charecter can not be godlike, that is a reason for certin power restrictions, and it is not possible to block/dodge every attack. If I were to strike mikey It might be something like this.

<Slash, in his frustration, punched Mikey in the plastron, knocking him of his feet. Slash turned away as Mike tumbled into the wall.>

It would be kinda hard to then say, "Mikey blocked."

As for sever damage/death, It will be controlled because if everyone is dead then there will be NO CHARECTERS TO PLAY, there for killing a charecter is like kicking a player out of the RPG. So if anyone is to kill a players charecter without their concent then a player will be forced to leave the RPG, and that player will be whoever did the killing. There will be no warnings if you kill someones charecter unwillingly your out, (Im not talking to just you, this is in regaurds to everyone.) Other types of injurys like permenent ones, will be delt with warnings, "Ohhh, warnings." If it happens offten then that person will be asked to leave. People that are having problems with peoples actions can do so with tact in an out of charecter thred. I would like you to play in the rpg, yes, it will be different the what you have played, but play for fun. If your going to stick around and cause trouble then its not worth it, your choice.

[heretic888]

Heretic, Randi's ablities are not of your concern, minds will not be probed because in this rpg she will not have that ablity.

I guess that means ninja characters (like Mike) won't have their 'sixth sense' either, because it operates on the same prinicples. Any other shackles you would like to place on our characters???

You are so sure that this is going to be one big mess, but you only speak from the experiance of failure. I have played in RPGs structured this way and it was very productive, so DON'T tell me that it's enevitably going to fail because you don't know. It may or may not fail, but it has worked before.

Heh, we'll see.... man, this is gonna be fun.

I would agree that this is no hardcore RPG, with items, lists of skills, strenget levels, hit points etc. This is a game it is suposed to be fun.

That makes the rather arrogant and ignorant assumption that games with all those elements in them are not fun.

A charecter can not be godlike, that is a reason for certin power restrictions, and it is not possible to block/dodge every attack. If I were to strike mikey It might be something like this.

<Slash, in his frustration, punched Mikey in the plastron, knocking him of his feet. Slash turned away as Mike tumbled into the wall.>

It would be kinda hard to then say, "Mikey blocked."

You haven't changed anything. The characters are still godlike. I could just say, "Mike got up and knocked Slash unconscious" and there's absolutely no rule or justification to counter this. There should be some mechanism in place to evaluate whether or not Mike would be able dodge or parry or whatever Slash's punch.

You just immediately made Mike not dodge the punch because YOU didn't want him to. What if I, the player controlling him, had a problem with that?? There is no rule or principle to settle this.... which is why things are going to go south if there is ever any major battles. Then again, I guess you could always flex your dictatorial GM muscles and make sure combat situations always go the way YOU want them to go.

There was a reason I tried and established these rules in the first place. I originally didn't want to, but as you will inevitably see, there isn't much choice (unless someone basically agrees to being a 'combat bitch' that loses fights to convenience others).

As for sever damage/death, It will be controlled because if everyone is dead then there will be NO CHARECTERS TO PLAY, there for killing a charecter is like kicking a player out of the RPG. So if anyone is to kill a players charecter without their concent then a player will be forced to leave the RPG, and that player will be whoever did the killing.

No, the player could just bring in another character. Or... they could start some sub-story about how the character returns to life somehow. Besides... its usually very hard to kill someone in the first place (if we're talking hand to hand here).

People that are having problems with peoples actions can do so with tact in an out of charecter thred. I would like you to play in the rpg, yes, it will be different the what you have played, but play for fun. If your going to stick around and cause trouble then its not worth it, your choice.

Oh, I'll stick around.... if only to see how things get screwed up.

[tormentedvagrant]

I did not say that rpgs with dice, items, skills, and stats are not fun. This is because I play them myself and Have alot of fun. You are just simply looking for things to critisize. It seems that you want to play a game to win, this is not a game that can be won or lost. This is a story, just for fun not to have winners and losers. I would prefer you not play just to see it bomb out, so thanks for taking interst anyways.

[Jade Green]

Hey, Jade, I have a question: can Randi levitate/float/fly like Jean Grey can?? Cuz I don't think she's ever done that before (at least not when Mike is around).....

She's never really floan, but she has temporarily levitated herself (how do you think she makes it from roof to roof?) I'm not going to say if Randi can really float or anything like that right *now* Don't wanna give ALL her secrets away.

Originally Posted by heretic888

So, in other words...... you could play a character so that they never get hit?? I mean, the person playing the Shredder could just say they always block or dodge the attack. Man, I wanna stick around with this one just to see things go south.... if a person has complete godlike power over how their character will respond, this basically leaves a huge power vacuum.

You know, this isn't a problem with non-serious RPGs (in which the outcomes of battles don't really matter), or with RPGs in which there is little real combat going around. But, if there's ever any REAL combat between major characters in this, watch out!! I can tell you things will go to hell.

That doesn't sound very fair to me. Even with minor reactions like that, its basically up to the player as to how their character will respond. Raph might not have heard the insult or might simply ignore or agree with it. These 'minor reactions' sound like they are up to the character's player.

I think there should be no control of other people's characters PERIOD unless permission is givin by that person... or they've been gone for a long ass time.

Since what you add to the story is well in your controll I will be strict about players killing other players, cutting off limbs of other players, seveir damage delt to players (ex: Donatello's brain was exposed) without that players concent. Seveir damage to me is anything that restricts the useage of a charecter.

Originally Posted by heretic888

I don't see why. No one is going to jump in and stop people from being killed or maimed in real life, so why here?? Again, this lack of structure and rules is going to cause problems inevitably. But, I'll still play along....

As for combat rewards, there are none, unless there is a tornement, thats different.

Originally Posted by heretic888

Ahem. When I said 'combat bonuses' (not 'rewards') I was referring to the notion that an obviously more talented, better trained fighter (such as Mike or Shredder) would be able to do certain actions easier than a less talented, less trained fighter (like Casey Jones). But... I guess, somehow, everyone is 'magically' equal in training and talent in this....

Well I would have the same limitations on Jean Gray so its not just you. I think it will be fine, communication is not the biggist concern, and what you have said is not a problem. Your charecter will be good in the RPG, im not trying to make her a weak powerless loser. My biggist concern really is mind reading. Well we will see how it works out in the RPG right? Thanks for being, well, negociable and constructive.

Originally Posted by heretic888

Hmmm.... unless a character has some kind of mental defense, special training, or psychic powers, there is no reason their minds couldn't be read by someone like Randi or Jean.

Thank you! Yes that is exactly it! Jean can easily read Logan or Scott's minds... they have no training (that I know of) to reisist such attempts! And just like Jean, Randi can hear things that she calls (snow)... bits a peaces of thoughts. Don't worry I play her FAIRLY, you just better hope other people know how to play thier characters fairly or hell will be upon this rpg...

...and that, my dear, is just common logic.

[tormentedvagrant]

I trust that you will play to the best of your ablity, Lets just see how everyone works together.

[Meira-Bates]

I've played in plenty of non-dice RPs and as long as the people have been civil with eachother it's always worked fine. Usualy if the player's fighting couldn't figure out between themselves if one charater was going to win, lose. or tie against the other, then it was majority desicion...but most fights I've been in got interupted by something else anyway, so I dunno....anyhoo...

May I be Donatello? I may ask to play an original character as well once I ever finish a short, to the point bio on her.

[tormentedvagrant]

he is yous ArashiPanduh.

[heretic888]

I did not say that rpgs with dice, items, skills, and stats are not fun.

Perhaps not, but that was what was implied.

You are just simply looking for things to critisize.

No, I don't want the game to go south as has happened to me twice before. And, as I said, unless someone agrees to have their character 'lose' the battles or unless there are no major battles, things are going to get complicated.

It seems that you want to play a game to win, this is not a game that can be won or lost.

No ****, sherlocke. You can't "win" dice RPGs, either. What I want is to not have others put themselves off as 'combat gods' that win every situation (which I have seen happen.... *cough cough* Angelqueen *cough*) or scenarios in which other players invasively take control of my character (such as your scenario of Slash knocking down Mike without giving me a chance to respond). Trust me, there had better not be any real fights, or there will be problems.

I would prefer you not play just to see it bomb out, so thanks for taking interst anyways.

Are you saying you don't want me to play just because I disagree with your obviously ill-planned methods??? Gee.... and I thought I met Nazi GMs in the past.... still, I'd prefer to play. RPing Mike is just so much fun. And, in all truthfulness, the really combat-heavy RPGs (like the one with Stryker and Ookami) aren't really that fun to begin with (although some fighting is usually good)....

She's never really floan, but she has temporarily levitated herself (how do you think she makes it from roof to roof?) I'm not going to say if Randi can really float or anything like that right *now* Don't wanna give ALL her secrets away.

Heretic: I see..... dun dun dunnnn!!!!! ((dramatic music in background))
Mike: Oh, geez.....

I think there should be no control of other people's characters PERIOD unless permission is givin by that person... or they've been gone for a long ass time.

Ditto. I agree completely.

Thank you! Yes that is exactly it! Jean can easily read Logan or Scott's minds... they have no training (that I know of) to reisist such attempts!

Well, she probably couldn't read Logan's mind unless he let her. He had training like that with Weapon X (not to mention his Zen martial artsy type training). And, the dude's just got a lot of freakin mental endurance anyways....

And just like Jean, Randi can hear things that she calls (snow)... bits a peaces of thoughts. Don't worry I play her FAIRLY, you just better hope other people know how to play thier characters fairly or hell will be upon this rpg...

...and that, my dear, is just common logic.

Yup.

I trust that you will play to the best of your ablity, Lets just see how everyone works together.

We'll see.

I've played in plenty of non-dice RPs and as long as the people have been civil with eachother it's always worked fine.

Yeah, and they do work fine..... as long as there's no real fighting.

Usualy if the player's fighting couldn't figure out between themselves if one charater was going to win, lose. or tie against the other, then it was majority desicion...but most fights I've been in got interupted by something else anyway, so I dunno....anyhoo...

Funny.... I didn't know fights could be decided by spectators. In no way should those kinds of things be the deciding factor. People's wishes and intentions don't really influence the way fights go.

[Meira-Bates]

I don't think the other players are considered spectators and I don't mean wishes or whatknot...I mean that the other players can be asked who they THINK would win not who they WANT to win, if the two players with characters fighting can't decide themselves who would win. If you don't like free styling so much why bother with this?

[heretic888]

I don't think the other players are considered spectators and I don't mean wishes or whatknot...I mean that the other players can be asked who they THINK would win not who they WANT to win, if the two players with characters fighting can't decide themselves who would win.

Why would it matter if they thought somebody would win?? I may think so and so can beat another person all I want, but when it comes down to it my predictions and rationalizing mean absolutely jack when the fists fly. And... considering the character I'm playing (michelangelo) is generally regarded as something of an 'inferior fighter' by most (a very erroneous notion), I fail to see how this is fair or accurate in any way.

If you don't like free styling so much why bother with this?

I don't have a problem with free styling.... I DO have a problem with others assuming godlike control over how my character reacts and what my character can do. And, whether you want to admit this or not, everyone has this power over everyone else. It is neither realistic nor fun.

[Moomintroll]

I want to play if thats ok, i will try to play slower than I do in Glitch (such is the curse of having a job where you sit at a computer doing freakne NOTHING 30 hrs a week! - but it pays the bills and allows much net time)...sorry, I digressed
I want to be Leeloo from 5th Element, is that ok with everyone?
And does anyone need me to describe her or have everyone seen the movie?