A way to salvage Venus de Milo

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Originally Posted by alliance

YES...over a fictional character..

your reasons for doing this thread simply is rude, immature, and uncalled for, seriously..

all i said was the o'l u must be smokin that stuff comment, nothing more...relax

but i'll bite.. i actually do have a suggestion with what we can do with such an abomination of a character


heres my awesome idea:


at the end of the episode she turns out to be a robot..


theres my idea..


preserving the integrity of the Turtles even though turtles 3 is still in existance

Dude, you said I was &%$-ed up, that felt like an actual insult. And my reasons for starting this thread are neither immature, rude, or uncalled for. I was talking about how I was forced to bring Venus back in an RPG I'm running, and how I modified her to at least make the character salvagable.

Personally, I do not, repeat, not care for Venus. I would have pereferred she create a female turtle OC, rather than bring Venus back. And we do have other turtles in the RP- Slash and Tokka are villians that occasionally show up.


EDIT; Just forget about it, I don't want a conflict of any kind over a fictional character.

[alliance]

Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

Dude, you said I was &%$-ed up, that felt like an actual insult. And my reasons for starting this thread are neither immature, rude, or uncalled for. I was talking about how I was forced to bring Venus back in an RPG I'm running, and how I modified her to at least make the character salvagable.

Personally, I do not, repeat, not care for Venus. I would have pereferred she create a female turtle OC, rather than bring Venus back. And we do have other turtles in the RP- Slash and Tokka are villians that occasionally show up.


EDIT; Just forget about it, I don't want a conflict of any kind over a fictional character.

for petes sake RELAX...

man u guys are..jesus i dont believe how sensitiv.....

u know what...

no wonder Ciro left this site, MAN U GUYS ARE SOMETHING...

Hell here is his last quote:


im not coming here anymore, you guys are depressing.
get a sense of humor and start enjoying life.


THIS...this is what im talking about, some of you..[again some not all] scream ban ban ban troll troll troll and ruin the thread..and blame me and have the nerve to say delete this thread because u dont agree with a thought of mine... i hope u guys dont ruin this thread like how u did my last thread..atleast the Moderators have some sense of creativity when it comes to shelling out ones opinions and dont listen to alot of you, cause if u guys were in charge i wouldve been out a long time ago..Thank god the Mods from here arent from prosports daily...

i didnt mean to upset you at all threadstarter..and i am sorry if i did.. i never called u any horrible names [unlike the rest of you] or anything so chill..


in fact...u guys should be more like me if anything..


oh and by the way.........................


u didnt like my idea for Venus De Milo did you


hahahahaaaaaa!!!!


oh and by the way...im not going ANYWHERE..im staying RIGHT HERE..

[Stingray69]

Man it never ceases to amaze me the stupid stuff people can fight about.

O and venus as a robot kind of seem I dont know like a cop out. Like its been done before. Dont ask me why though.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Dude, chill, don't worry about it. I don't care, it's no big deal. I didn't ask this thread be deleted, I don't think you're a troll, I dont really like venus De milo, and I'm not upset at you one way or the other. I just thought your reaction was a bit harsh, escpecially considering I DON'T LIKE VENUS DEMILO. Your Venus robot idea is actually funny, if you read what I posted I really haven't spoken in favor of Venus once in this whole thread. O_o

[CyberCubed]

Everything from Next Mutation should stay buried.

If Nick wants to revive characters let them revive the original toon and Archie mutants we haven't seen in a while. At least people liked those characters to begin with.

[LivingMutagen]

Originally Posted by miru

Yes! Let's salvage her!


I actually liked her on Next Mutation. Maybe she could mutate from April or Spike? She should still have the shellboobs, but not be more powerful than the turtles. That's like Blaze being stronger than Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, and Amy.

Actually, this idea isn't good. Also Blaze could also beat Tails, Knuckles and Amy, not Sonic as they're equal

[alliance]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Everything from Next Mutation should stay buried.

If Nick wants to revive characters let them revive the original toon and Archie mutants we haven't seen in a while. At least people liked those characters to begin with.

ugh..as much as i hate to agree with this guy..............yup...

[Leo656]

It's not the concept itself of Venus I think is bad. I don't think a fifth Turtle OR a female Turtle is blasphemy, in and of itself. Frankly, I find some of the irrational hatred towards the concept a little annoying (though I'm the first to say the execution of the character was awful).

What made it sh*tty is that Next Mutation's Venus was just about the worst way to integrate the character into the mythology. From origin to execution, they seemed to go out of their way to make every bad decision possible to create a character almost no one would ever like.

It's not an awful idea to have a female Turtle; many, many female fans in the 80s and early 90s requested it repeatedly, and it's actually surprising it took so long for the creators to cave. Had we all known HOW the idea would eventually be done, well... "be careful what you wish for," etc.

I like the concept's potential, but to work it would have to be almost entirely different from what they did on the show. She shouldn't be a main character (though could add a lot as an occasional recurring character, if done properly), shouldn't be biologically related to the other TMNT, shouldn't have been in the bowl with them at their origin, shouldn't be more capable and skilled than the four main characters put together, shouldn't be constantly mixing up what things are called and talking like she's stupid, just to give a few examples.

I liked that they played up her mystic powers, in that it made her different. Problem is, they did it to the point where the other TMNT didn't even need to be there, Venus could just do it all herself. I'd keep the powers but tone it way down, maybe hinting that in the future she could eventually unlock her true potential as a mystic, or something like that. The trade-off being that she would be a poor physical combatant, at first, and would need to learn from the other Turtles to develop her physical skills.

I don't know how I'd do her origin, suffice to say it would be nothing like what they actually went with. She'd have to wear pink, for two reasons. First, Leo wears blue and having another Turtle wearing a slightly different shade of the same color is lazy and confusing. Second, and I know I'm gonna get heat for this, but pink is "the girl's color". For all the ranting and raving about how archaic that thinking is, a female turtle character would be created mostly to appeal to young girl TMNT fans, and scientific studies across a variety of mediums conclude that young girls prefer things that are pink. I say it is what it is, just embrace it.

I know the shell-breasts are annoying to some and appalling to many, but I think you almost have to allow that, too. Without the "curves", Venus would just resemble a shorter, skinnier Turtle. Wearing pink might be enough to identify her as "female", but I honestly never though her having "breasts" was the worst thing about the character. I could tell they were simply going for an easy way to identify her as a girl rather than a smaller Turtle. Implausible, sure, but whatever, it's a silly concept on its face to begin with.

There are no flat-out "bad" characters, just characters done poorly. Every idea has merit to it, but some have more or less than others. Not every idea is worth the trouble of making it work. But there's always a way.

[BubblyShell22]

I think what you've done with her character is pretty good, PKF. I think she could be salvaged and given a better backstory, which is what you did. There was a challenge on Stealthy Stories to do a story about Venus, and one author did it perfectly and changed a lot about her. So, it CAN be done. Would I like to see her on the Nick show? Just depends on how they introduce her and how they make her character fit within that universe.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Actually, the funny thing is when we had the first two girls join our RPG, we were all afraid one of them would want to do venus. (Niether wanted to be april) but they decided to play Ninjara and Mona Lisa, much to everyone's relief. Mona Lisa has actually become like a fifth turtle herself in the RP, she's taken up using a turtle grappling hook and her tail as weapons in the RP game, and has proven to be a capable fighter even without ninjitsu. Certainly nobody has a problem with those two on the team in Venus's place. XD

[alliance]

is venus in any of the Video games??

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

No, I don't think she is, actually. Probably a good thing, too. If I could avoid it, I wouldn't have her in my pen and paper D20 RPG game if I could avoid it.

By the way everyone, that's what I've been talking about here in this whole thread, my role playing game I run with my friends. Everyone else was talking about bringing her into the show or modern comics.

[Konchadunga]

My opinion is that Venus can keep her trademark humor of botching the English language and being unfamiliar with American culture, however, foreign isn't the same as "stupid;" she should not repeat the same mistakes. Shell boobs, I really don't care about either way; ask the player if she does. With regard to balancing her, I'd say give her serviceable hand to hand combat abilities, but no melee weapon to enhance them; instead she has spells, which are potent but limited in amount she can do in a certain amount of time.

I'd like to know, what characters currently exist in your campaign, and what system are you using?

[redsai4lex]

She could always be brought back as an evil ninja and get herself killed going after the TMNT

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Originally Posted by Konchadunga

My opinion is that Venus can keep her trademark humor of botching the English language and being unfamiliar with American culture, however, foreign isn't the same as "stupid;" she should not repeat the same mistakes. Shell boobs, I really don't care about either way; ask the player if she does. With regard to balancing her, I'd say give her serviceable hand to hand combat abilities, but no melee weapon to enhance them; instead she has spells, which are potent but limited in amount she can do in a certain amount of time.

I'd like to know, what characters currently exist in your campaign, and what system are you using?

I'm using a varation on the D20 system called true20, from a game called Mutants and Masterminds. No offense to the awesome guys at palladium, but it's actually easier to use a system designed for a superhero RPG to run a TMNT game, with all the weird robots, mutants, and aliens running around, even if the turtles aren't superoheroes.

When I wanted to do a campaigned in the tMNT world, my first four players wanted to play the turtles instead of building OC's to play- that was the point of doing a tmnt campaign, after all. I used the new IDW -verse as a loose continuity starting point, but quickly introduced chacters from all over the diffrent turtles continuities as villians and NPC allies. (Rocksteady, Bebop, the mutaninamls, Go Komodo/Dragonlord, Lotus Blossom, Casey, Armaggon, etc.)

When another friend of ours joined the campiagn, she wated to play a female mutant, and everybody was afraid of Venus, but I brought in Mona Lisa, and she became like a fifth turtle to the party-and it worked out really, really well. She brought a diffrent, non-ninja fighting style to the team, didn't overshine the turtles, created some good character interaction with Raph, and was a breath of fresh air. She didn't become a fifth turtle, she just hangs around the group a lot. Same when our Alopex/Ninjara player joined the group, felt like an ally/addition to the team rather than a mary-sue tack on.

Oh, and crisis averted with Venus-two of the other players finally convinced her to play A Kala stuck in the earth dimension just hours before our first session last night. Venus Dmilo crisis averted!

[Vivi]

Maybe with boiling water and seasoning.

[CrazySquirrel]

It's too bad more casual people dont know about Ninjara. She is the best female companion in franchise history. (other than April of course) I wanted to post something negitive but the OP doing a TMNT RPG is too likeable to me. I will just say the white bandana is the best idea. Way better than like pink or another 'girly' color.

[Leo656]

I also wish Ninjara got more attention, but as a creator-owned character I think we've seen all we're gonna see of her for a while. I thought she was cool.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Originally Posted by CrazySquirrel

It's too bad more casual people dont know about Ninjara. She is the best female companion in franchise history. (other than April of course) I wanted to post something negitive but the OP doing a TMNT RPG is too likeable to me. I will just say the white bandana is the best idea. Way better than like pink or another 'girly' color.

Thanks, I'm just glad she agreed to play Kala, and now I don't have to worry about Venus.

[jestermon]

I think your rpg people are a little too serious about this if there is a girl that wants anything to do with them they should let her do whatever.