Shredder Cast? Sounds like Col. Schrader

[chrisdude]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Why give him such a similar name and have him command the Foot though if they intended to use Shredder?

Saving the main villain for a sequel that's at least 3 years away from this one doesn't sound like a smart idea. By that point the Nick cartoon could be in its waning phase.

I'm not assuming they plan to ever use "Shredder."

I just mean, they may use Shredder as a base, and make big changes. If they don't name the character Shredder, I'm not going to have Shredder expectations of him or his story. Because he's literally not Shredder.

[CyberCubed]

Which makes no sense as to why they're going to blatantly change the Turtles most important and iconic villain into an entirely different character.

[chrisdude]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Which makes no sense as to why they're going to blatantly change the Turtles most important and iconic villain into an entirely different character.

Because if they created an entirely new villain, everyone would still be pissed? At least if this guy's name kinda sounds like Shredder, and has blades, it's like a nod to Shredder.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by chrisdude

Because if they created an entirely new villain, everyone would still be pissed? At least if this guy's name kinda sounds like Shredder, and has blades, it's like a nod to Shredder.

In which case begs the question, why not just use Shredder? I just don't understand their reasoning.

And if we eventually see Krang, Bebop and Rocksteady....it makes even less sense why Shredder is changed to a white caucasion general.

[NinjaPug]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

They called Vernon a lead too.

I went back and looked at the original Hollywood Reporter story and they just said his role was a secret. Nothing about it being a lead role.

[chrisdude]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

In which case begs the question, why not just use Shredder? I just don't understand their reasoning.

And if we eventually see Krang, Bebop and Rocksteady....it makes even less sense why Shredder is changed to a white caucasion general.

The only explanation that occurs to me is if they want to drop the whole ninja aspect the Foot. If that's the plan, it's better that they don't name the guy Shredder, isn't it? And people totally would be upset if it looked like the Shredder was left out. So, split the difference. Give Shredder a nod.

But I don't know. I'm only guessing Schrader because we know Schrader was part of the old plan, the Foot look kind of militaristic, and this guy's supposed to be playing "a lead of iconic stature." That make Schrader my best guess.

Originally Posted by NinjaPug

I went back and looked at the original Hollywood Reporter story and they just said his role was a secret. Nothing about it being a lead role.

First line of the article, dude.

"Will Arnett has joined Megan Fox as one of the leads in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles"

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hea...gan-fox-432515

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by chrisdude

Because if they created an entirely new villain, everyone would still be pissed? At least if this guy's name kinda sounds like Shredder, and has blades, it's like a nod to Shredder.

Schrader is an entirely new villain. Military colonel, secretly a yellow skinned alien that grows spikes. There's no TMNT character that is remotely similar too. The fact that he's supposed to be a nod to Shredder rubs salt in the wound...why not, oh I dunno....use Shredder?

What was the biggest complaints from casual fans about the last two movies? Answer; no Shredder. Now potentialy we've got no Shredder and the fact that Schraders existence means that we likely wont getting the real Shredder down the line.

I don't personaly believe Shredder is intrinsic to making a good TMNT movie but a lot of people do think that partly due to there being no "good" TMNT movies without him. I do think that Shredder is a vital part of the TMNT story so the possibility that he wont exist at all in this movie series is rather shocking.

[Welmanshire]

Originally Posted by Bob

And we have our Colonel Schrader. I just hope they've changed his name or at least make it clear enough that he's not a substitute for Shredder so we can then get a proper version of him in a sequel.

Actually, exactly the opposite. How on earth is Schradar an "iconic stature in the Turtles’ mythology""?This pretty much confirms that he WON'T be playing Schradar. Get yourself together and think people.

[chrisdude]

Originally Posted by Galactus

Schrader is an entirely new villain. Military colonel, secretly a yellow skinned alien that grows spikes. There's no TMNT character that is remotely similar too. The fact that he's supposed to be a nod to Shredder rubs salt in the wound...why not, oh I dunno....use Shredder?

What was the biggest complaints from casual fans about the last two movies? Answer; no Shredder. Now potentialy we've got no Shredder and the fact that Schraders existence means that we likely wont getting the real Shredder down the line.

I don't personaly believe Shredder is intrinsic to making a good TMNT movie but a lot of people do think that partly due to there being no "good" TMNT movies without him. I do think that Shredder is a vital part of the TMNT story so the possibility that he wont exist at all in this movie series is rather shocking.

I didn't say you'd like it... I'm just trying to piece together how this guy could be playing an iconic character.

We know we have the Foot. We know they look kind of militaristic. And we know this guy's supposed to play an iconic character from TMNT lore. Maybe it's Schrader. Maybe it's Shredder. Maybe it's the neighborly barkeeper, Casey Jones. My guess is Schrader. Somehow I ended up defending my guess, as if I wrote the movie.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by Welmanshire

Actually, exactly the opposite. How on earth is Schradar an "iconic stature in the Turtles’ mythology""?This pretty much confirms that he WON'T be playing Schradar. Get yourself together and think people.

Because in the minds of people making this movie Schrader is (or was) Shredder. Simply a new version of the character.

The fact that Schrader is so radicaly different that fans would never accept it as the same character doesn't alter the fact that to their minds when originaly writing the script it was Shredder.

[Welmanshire]

Originally Posted by Galactus

Because in the minds of people making this movie Schrader is (or was) Shredder. Simply a new version of the character.

The fact that Schrader is so radicaly different that fans would never accept it as the same character doesn't alter the fact that to their minds when originaly writing the script it was Shredder.

I don't think they would be using terminology like "iconic stature in the Turtles’ mythology" if the character was to be renamed and changed. It really points to a character that is already existent, like Baxter or with the military side of things going on, I am thinking it could be a character similar to John Bishop.

[Jester]

Also, wasn't Will Arnett's character supposed to be a big deal and then then turned out to be Vernon? The word "iconic" must be taken with an entire Morton's factory, my friends.

[chrisdude]

Honestly, I think it's a stretch to call any TMNT villain 'iconic,' other than Shredder, Stockman or Krang.

But I think we'd be giving these guys a little too much credit to think they'd dig up Bishop. And so many people wouldn't know who he was. Like me

Originally Posted by Jester

Also, wasn't Will Arnett's character supposed to be a big deal and then then turned out to be Vernon? The word "iconic" must be taken with an entire Morton's factory, my friends.

They just said 'lead.' And that may very well be the case.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by Welmanshire

I don't think they would be using terminology like "iconic stature in the Turtles’ mythology" if the character was to be renamed and changed. It really points to a character that is already existent, like Baxter or with the military side of things going on, I am thinking it could be a character similar to John Bishop.

My point to them Schrader is/was Shredder and that is definitely an iconic character.

As much as I really like Bishop and he became a fan favourite he's not really iconic. As Chrisdude said no villain other than Shredder could really be considered iconic.

The only other character I can think of that would be described (at a push) as iconic and that might fit the actor is a white Baxter Stockman.

Originally Posted by Jester

Also, wasn't Will Arnett's character supposed to be a big deal and then then turned out to be Vernon? The word "iconic" must be taken with an entire Morton's factory, my friends.

I'm pretty sure Vernon will be a lead character in this movie. I'd go as far to say it looks like he's Casey's replacement.

[Shark_Blade]

Schrader doesn't even make sense. Why can't they just use the name Shredder?

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

Schrader doesn't even make sense. Why can't they just use the name Shredder?

They very well might do.

They could make it his codename or have the turtles nickname him "Shredder" but that still wouldn't really make the character Shredder.

[ctt4lfecw]

*Fingers crossed for Rat King.* I really like this dude, ever since Dark Knight. And I love Entourage. Or maybe this is our Casey?

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

*SIGH*

Aaaaand here we go with the wild speculation again. We went through this with Vernon's actor, and here we go again.

SHREDDER WILL PROBABLY BE IN THIS MOVIE AS SHREDDER!

My money's on Brune for this guy.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by Jester

Also, wasn't Will Arnett's character supposed to be a big deal and then then turned out to be Vernon? The word "iconic" must be taken with an entire Morton's factory, my friends.

Exactly, until we see photos or the trailer theres no need to get all frazzeled over something we have no concrete facts for.

[Slade]

Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

*SIGH*

Aaaaand here we go with the wild speculation again. We went through this with Vernon's actor, and here we go again.

SHREDDER WILL PROBABLY BE IN THIS MOVIE AS SHREDDER!

My money's on Brune for this guy.

I'm with you!


Otherwise, I need to stay away from movie talk on here, the Schrader b.s. is depressing.