Is the Yoshi kid in TMNT3 related to Hamato Yoshi?

[Jester]

No one is saying That Yoshi IS Hamato Yoshi, just that He is one of Hamato Yoshi's ancestors. Yoshi could very well be a "family name." Like I said earlier, it seems that there is a serious implication that Whit is Casey's ancestor. Is it so far fetched to assume that this kid who shares a name with another player in the Turtle mythos is his ancestor?

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I doubt the name was chosen because of a green dinosaur from Mario. It's a common Japanese name.

One of the things I absolutely love about you is your ability to unwittingly agree and disagree with someone equally within the same sentence and not even realize it. Have a great summer, don't ever change!

I can definitely see a bunch of places it could be implied the kid was Splinter's ancestor, especially since I'd put money on Whit being Casey's. So it could have been a running theme of the movie that they just only bothered making explicit in the one case (The Whit/Casey connection), and ambiguous in the rest. If it was the case, it wouldn't have hurt them to make it more clear, since the rest of the movie (and the series in general) was not exactly "subtle". One thing that makes me feel like the name was just a coincidence is that based on evidence, if the kid was in fact Hamato Yoshi's ancestor, they probably would have spelled it out a bit more so there would be no mistaking it. Just going by the type of movie it was.

BUT, I say if you want to link Yoshi and Hamato Yoshi, and it makes it a better movie for you, go for it. Nothing disproves it, after all. Like pretending Prof. Perry was an Utrom after all when watching "Secret of the Ooze"; it can change the entire experience around in your head and make it more interesting.

[Jester]

I have a question:
Mikey (and Leo) wind up saving Yoshi from being burned alive in the fire. Was the Turtles appearance in the 1600's what lead to the fire...or did they save this kid from his intended fate?

[Leo656]

Well f*ck.

[FlogginMcMurryZombiePizza]

Originally Posted by Jester

No one is saying That Yoshi IS Hamato Yoshi, just that He is one of Hamato Yoshi's ancestors. Yoshi could very well be a "family name." Like I said earlier, it seems that there is a serious implication that Whit is Casey's ancestor. Is it so far fetched to assume that this kid who shares a name with another player in the Turtle mythos is his ancestor?

Then I will repeat this quote again
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That would be like saying anyone with my given name, "Ryan", is related to or an ancestor of me.

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Yoshi is not a surname. It's a given name. You're connecting to dots that shouldn't be connected without connecting the family names. I went over that before, unless everyone glazed over the wall of text that was my post.
HAMATO is the family name.

Japanese Names: Family Name/Given Name
American Names: Given Name/Family Name

But hey, it's a hypotheses, right? And as Leo put it:

Originally Posted by Leo656

BUT, I say if you want to link Yoshi and Hamato Yoshi, and it makes it a better movie for you, go for it. Nothing disproves it, after all. Like pretending Prof. Perry was an Utrom after all when watching "Secret of the Ooze"; it can change the entire experience around in your head and make it more interesting.

I'm just stating you're connecting a character to another character based on an (un)common given name (or his "first name") in Japan.

Saki is a bit more unique of a name, I think. You just don't hear too many people named Saki so if a character existed in that movie with the name, then that would open a whole new box of snakes.

What would have been nice if the characters wore, or had family crests displayed. We have seen Splinter's family crest displayed a few times, notably recently in the first episode of the Nick show.

As for Whit/Casey...
I honestly don't think there is a connection. But it's possible. He's a prisoner, right? Is he English, atleast? Or are we meant to think he's a local?
Either way the movie doesn't give you any information on anything. It hardly lets you in on the plot itself anyway!
But, again, if it helps.

Maybe I'm just rejecting it more 'cus I never liked it even as a child.

Originally Posted by Jester

I have a question:
Mikey (and Leo) wind up saving Yoshi from being burned alive in the fire. Was the Turtles appearance in the 1600's what lead to the fire...or did they save this kid from his intended fate?

That's some Back to the Future/Doctor Who time paradox provoking thought there.

You could argue that by going back in the timeline as they did, it altered history. But on the same note, it may have all happened because that's how it was meant to be when they went back becasue it had already happened in the history of their present day (everything in the past already happened on the timeline before the movie started and April got the Scepter). Was he meant to die? Did they completely alter the time line? (Back to the Future 3). Who knows, but it's a damn good thought.

[Leo656]

If Whit wasn't at least implied to be Casey's ancestor, I have to think he would have been played by a different actor, possibly one of the several who stood in the background doing little or nothing the whole movie.

Generally, in kids movies, when a familiar actor plays a "new" character, it is strongly implied there is a connection between the two, sometimes ancestral, or a "stand-in" for someone else like in "Wizard of Oz", etc. It's not strictly in kids movies, either, with the "Back to the Futrure" series being a main example; when you see someone from the past (or future) played by a familiar actor, you don't *have* to be told they're related, you already know before they inevitably spell it out for you. By that logic, it's far more likely Whit is Casey's ancestor than Yoshi being Hamato Yoshi's. The people making the movie would know that a 5-year-old kid would see Whit's face and make an immediate visual connection with Casey, a character they know, and think "Well sh*t, they're in the past and he looks just like Casey, so he must be related to him!" Meanwhile, most young kids probably made little to no connection between Yoshi and Hamato Yoshi; they likely failed to notice it or chalked it up to coincidence.

Again, I'm just going off of how kids' movies generally present ideas and information. I'm pretty sure we are led to believe Whit and Casey are related, simply because there is no other reason for Elias Koteas to play a second role and for the main cast to acknowledge, repeatedly, the resemblance between characters. Meanwhile, not one main character stops to think aloud, "Yoshi? As in HAMATO Yoshi? WOAH, mind blown!"

In either case, you can choose to believe whatever improves the movie for you. I just feel like they "told" us in visual that Whit and Casey are related and don't do anything of the same with the Yoshi/Yoshi "connection".

[FlogginMcMurryZombiePizza]

Ya, on the same note, kids were referring to Tokka and Rahzar as Bebop and Rocksteady because of who they were in the cartoon. That's who T&R were to them.

I got Whit being played by Elias from the story standpoint that it's a familiar face therefore we can trust this character because he's Casey, even if he isn't.
But I think there is a better chance at this being an ancestor than Hamato Yoshi being connected to ??? Yoshi.

[Jester]

I guess I'm just reading into the film a seeming "theme" of ancestors. Whit is heavily implied to be Casey's ancestor...complete with April's recognition of him when they share a cell in Norinaga's palace. (and the rat...which I'm sure was just a throw away gag.) Again...neither of us is right. You chose to not see any connection, I seem to read WAY too much into said connection. It's all in good fun...and an attempt to make something more of a movie that gets no love.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Jester

Whit is heavenly implied to be Casey's ancestor...

So GOD told you Whit and Casey are related? Holy f*ckt*tties, that completely blows my reasoning straight out of the water! YOU WIN, sir!

[Jester]

Originally Posted by Leo656

So GOD told you Whit and Casey are related? Holy f*ckt*tties, that completely blows my reasoning straight out of the water! YOU WIN, sir!

Flippin' typos...

[Leo656]

But it totally worked out in your favor. No one can argue higher than God told them Whit and Casey are related. TAKE THE WIN!

[gobo]

I doubt it. It's possible that whatever writers they had working for peanuts were leaning that way, but it would have been confirmed by Splinter or something if they wanted you to think that. Personally, that idea just seems really weak.

[Leo656]

Splinter didn't care, he spent the entire day waiting for them to get home so he could do the lampshade gag. He totally didn't give a f*ck what happened otherwise.

[Jester]

Considering he's half the rat he was in the previous films...literally...I can understand.

[Leo656]

He shrank in Donnie's rigged-up Electric Hot Air Kimono Dryer (patent pending)

[Olmosa]

I'm assuming using Yoshi as the kid's name was meant in a way to tie this Yoshi to Hamato Yoshi, but Hollywood being the ignorant bunch they are probably didn't think about the fact that Japanese place surnames first. That's like if they had a character names Jones Casey and then later on down the line they had a character named Casey and we're supposed to assume they are related.

[Bo Staff.]

No, he can't be. He lives in the 1600s, long before Hamato Yoshi was born.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by bo staff

No, he can't be. He lives in the 1600s, long before Hamato Yoshi was born.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

my brother had this theory about Yoshi..as someone said cause of the surname first thing

[Bo Staff.]

Originally Posted by Jester

Wait...was the OP meaning that Yoshi was just an earlier incarnation of Hamato Yoshi? And not 20th century Hamato Yoshi himself?