Is the Yoshi kid in TMNT3 related to Hamato Yoshi?

[madyankees]

I finally got through the 3rd movie and it was as advertised.
Anyway there was one thing that peaked my interest. There's this kid called Yoshi in the movie that Mikey rescued. And I was thinking...Yoshi. Same name as Splinter/Splinter's sensei.

Granted I am aware that Yoshi seemed to be the kid's first name while the Yoshi in Hamato Yoshi is his last name. But anyone think they could actually be like related or something?

[Aaronardo]

I thought it was obvious

Anyway, yes. But why would you even ask? If it didn't make any sense to you, that whole movie doesn't make sense anyway xD

[madyankees]

Originally Posted by ThatCollectorGuy

But why would you even ask?

The only thing in my head was...time paradox time paradox time paradox...

[Shark_Blade]

I think he might be Hamato Yoshi's ancestor.

Though back then as a kid when watching it, only this "Yoshi" character comes to my mind.

[snake]

Yeah, he's probably his ancestor. Or at least, that's what I thought when I first saw it.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I think it's open for interpretation. Wes are given hints that he could be by Raph's
interactions with him but nothing concrete. It would make some sense though given the subplot with the scroll.

[Leo656]

I think it's there if you want it to be but that it's not necessarily true.

Wouldn't Splinter's family name actually be Hamato, not Yoshi? It's also not an uncommon Japanese name, either.

I could actually believe the producers figured it was just a name kids could pronounce based on how popular the video game character was at the time and decided to use the name based on that. Hollywood is not exactly known for being creative when giving characters ethnic names.

[Toby Barrett]

Originally Posted by madyankees

Granted I am aware that Yoshi seemed to be the kid's first name while the Yoshi in Hamato Yoshi is his last name. But anyone think they could actually be like related or something?

Ah, no. Hamato would be his last name.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I think it's there if you want it to be but that it's not necessarily true.

Wouldn't Splinter's family name actually be Hamato, not Yoshi? It's also not an uncommon Japanese name, either.

I could actually believe the producers figured it was just a name kids could pronounce based on how popular the video game character was at the time and decided to use the name based on that. Hollywood is not exactly known for being creative when giving characters ethnic names.

I doubt the name was chosen because of a green dinosaur from Mario. It's a common Japanese name.

[sgtfbomb]

I never even gave it a thought. Then again, the only thing I ever took from TMNT 3 was the awesome poster, which was 100x better than the movie itself and was shamefully not used for the VHS, and that Baltimora song that kept popping up at that time.

[Foot Soldier Clang]

Originally Posted by Toby Barrett

Ah, no. Hamato would be his last name.

Yep this is correct. It's a Japanese custom to introduce yourself last name first because you "represent your family before yourself". And it's common to be called and referred to by your last name by most people, while your close friends and relatives would use your first name.

[Plasticplayhouse]

lol, never occured to me. i was so annoyed with how silly the film was that i dont even remember much of it.

[BubblyShell22]

When I was younger, I never even thought about it, but now I think he may have been an ancestor or maybe Yoshi himself when he was a boy. You never know.

[Powder]

If that were the case, then Mikey would have been essentially trying to bone his own ancestor.

[Ninjinister]

The family name of the clan is Hamato but since the 1987 series paid f**k all attention to Japanese naming convention, I'd suspect that the writers of the film my not have giving a damn either.

[FlogginMcMurryZombiePizza]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I think it's there if you want it to be but that it's not necessarily true.

Wouldn't Splinter's family name actually be Hamato, not Yoshi? It's also not an uncommon Japanese name, either.

I could actually believe the producers figured it was just a name kids could pronounce based on how popular the video game character was at the time and decided to use the name based on that. Hollywood is not exactly known for being creative when giving characters ethnic names.

I was about to point this out too...
Japanese surnames come first and the given name is the "lower name" (when written vertically in Japanese kanji).

It only looks like his first name because that's what we are accustomed to in America.
The proper American name for him would be Yoshi Hamato.

I would be very surprised if "Hamato" was the actual given name and he was the son of the Yoshi family. I'm not even 100% sure Yoshi is a surname anyway.

Oroku Saki would be the same also, Oroku being the surname and Saki was his given name.

So there wouldn't be any relation. That would be like saying anyone with my given name, "Ryan", is related to or an ancestor of me.

At any rate it couldn't possibly be the same kid who would become their martial arts master... even in a time paradox. It makes less sense!
The film was set in 1603... Yoshi was already a boy so just figure how old he is and that tells you his birth year.
The "present day" we can assume to be 1993, when the film released.
That would mean, if this were Hamato Yoshi, he would be 390 years old in the present. Even if you were to argue that maybe the mutagen gave him prolonged life, he's never portrayed as "elderly". Wise, yes. Older? No, not so much.
YoshiSplinter's age, to my knowledge, has never been stated so even if we assumed Yoshi got to age 40, that would be in the year 1643. That would still tack on hundreds of years still to age him to the late 80s or early 90s.

This is of course assuming that Splinter is Yoshi.
But even if Yoshi is a separate character and Splinter the pet rat learned from observation of his master, rats don't have long lives (only a couple years for pet rats) and that would still put Yoshi at an unnatural age before the events of the rat to mutate (assuming mutation might prolong life) and raise the turtles to teenage years.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by Ninjinister

The family name of the clan is Hamato but since the 1987 series paid f**k all attention to Japanese naming convention, I'd suspect that the writers of the film my not have giving a damn either.

That's not entirely true. The great season 7 episode Legend of Koji got it right.

Mitsu and Yoshi could very well be Hamatos.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Very true, Jester- We're never actually told their last name- or even their grandfather's first name, either. They very well COULD have been Hamatos, but it was never explicitly stated, so they left it for the audience to guess. I still think it had something to do with the scroll and the legend, though- if they'd already "been there, done that" 400 years BEFORE that, as both Mitsu and Norinaga suggest, who's to say they didn't somehow influence their own timeline? Which is what makes that movie so intriguing to me on a time/space level. If the scepter hadn't been fried at the end, we might have learned more.

As I said before, it IS possible that it was Hamato Yoshi's DISTANT ancestor (and perhaps Raph's advice is what started the "control your temper" bit Splinter told Raph in TMNT 1?) but that would not make him an ancestor of either Splinter OR the turtles, in any case- movie Splinter was Yoshi's PET, not the man himself. So, no, Mikey was NOT trying to "bone" his own ancestor, as someone suggested- they had no relation to each other.

[Jester]

You know....that's a very cool theory. Raphael told Yoshi to watch his temper, which becomes "Master Yoshi's 1'st rule" from Turtles 1. It really helps to make Turtles III more than the sum of it's parts...and it needs all the help it can get. I think I'm gonna use that logic to make TMNT III a better movie to me.

Heck...it may very much be implied. I wanna say that Whit is explicitly implied to be Casey Jones' ancestor. Norinaga and Kenshin very well may be Saki's ancestor, and Mitsu and Yosh may well be Hamatos. The bigger "WHA!?" is the implication that Yoshi and Saki may have had a shared ancestry.

[FlogginMcMurryZombiePizza]

I'm just going to re-quote what I already said on the matter. I still can not possible see how we get that "Yoshi" the boy somehow becomes an influence to Hamato Yoshi, the owner of/future mutated rat.

I think there is a lot of stretching going on to find depth in a shallow pool.
But that's just me.

Originally Posted by FlogginMcMurryZombiePizza

So there wouldn't be any relation. That would be like saying anyone with my given name, "Ryan", is related to or an ancestor of me.

At any rate it couldn't possibly be the same kid who would become their martial arts master... even in a time paradox. It makes less sense!
The film was set in 1603... Yoshi was already a boy so just figure how old he is and that tells you his birth year.
The "present day" we can assume to be 1993, when the film released.
That would mean, if this were Hamato Yoshi, he would be 390 years old in the present. Even if you were to argue that maybe the mutagen gave him prolonged life, he's never portrayed as "elderly". Wise, yes. Older? No, not so much.
YoshiSplinter's age, to my knowledge, has never been stated so even if we assumed Yoshi got to age 40, that would be in the year 1643. That would still tack on hundreds of years still to age him to the late 80s or early 90s.

This is of course assuming that Splinter is Yoshi.
But even if Yoshi is a separate character and Splinter the pet rat learned from observation of his master, rats don't have long lives (only a couple years for pet rats) and that would still put Yoshi at an unnatural age before the events of the rat to mutate (assuming mutation might prolong life) and raise the turtles to teenage years.