This conspiracy theorist may have actually had a point about the OT

[Netkeeper]

Originally Posted by Konchadunga

Oh geez; this crap?

The actual Illuminati was never known to use the All-Seeing Eye as a symbol, and even if they did, they did it only because it was considered cool and mysterious. It's a far more ancient symbol that just denotes a higher power in general, and was a fixture on Masonic Lodges, churches, synagogues, and other things. Now it pretty much is meaningless. If I was to paint an eye on my forehead, would that make a me a member of the Illuminati? I'm pretty sure some religious sects would say yes; in the lower-case sense of the word, but I do not buy into the occultist belief that any symbol has magic power.

It's just long been so associated with conspiracy and the occult that many media just slap it on anything for the purposes of storytelling. Slapping a big eye on the Technodrome or an obvious expy of MJ-12 only proves an artist is trying to depict megalomania; not endorse it--if he wanted to endorse it, why associate the symbols with the villains and not the heroes? It's no different than modeling the Empire in Star Wars or Scar's Hyene troops after the Nazis. DEPICTION IS NOT ADVOCACY! I cannot believe I need to explain this to so many people.

And here's one more thing to think about: Even if there is still an Illuminati trying to take over the world, or something similar, what the shell would they really have to gain from announcing their presence all over the place? Even if they once used that symbol, nobody could be that dumb to keep using it and remain in power.

Doesn't explain the Earth Protection Force!

CHECKMATE, ATHEISTS.

[Prowler]

Originally Posted by Tazi

What they say is the buildings went down by the fire caused by the plain crash, but the architect said the metal structure would withstand that heat, and something like this could only be done with explosives.

Now I'm not an architect, neiter do I have a blueprint about the building, so I can't really know or calculate the truth. I see reason why the goverment would and would not do something like this.

There are a good number of proven conspiracies, like the reichstag fire or the watergate scandal, so it's not a bad thing to be a bit sceptic about everything.

I'm not an architect either. But yea, we'll never know what really happened.

As for The Reichstag Fire, that one is far from being one of the most head scratching conspiracy theories out there. Whether it was caused by the nazis or not, they sure knew how to take advantage of the situation. Just like the US Government knew how to take advantage of the 9/11 attacks to invade a country like Iraq, which they probably would have invaded sooner or later, attacks or not.

[Tazi]

Yeah, exactly, I don't really think they had to organise something like this to send troops to Iraq, but it probably made things somewhat easier for the government.

[Netkeeper]

watch out guys its the ilerminerter

[Slade]

Haha, man, I hope those ain't being foreal...

[Tazi]

[Bry]

Originally Posted by Cure

I thought it was invented by DJ CLUE DJ Clue DJ Clue. DESERT STORM Desert Storm Desert Storm.

Solid.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

People believe the 9/11/01 attacks were an inside job because they want to believe it was an inside job. Holocaust denial, anyone?

BTW, years ago I read the book about Hitler by John Toland. He indicated that the Reichstag fire was the work of a Dutch anarchist...and that Hermann Goering was almost killed in it. Just because the Nazis took advantage of it doesn't mean they caused it. They certainly didn't cause the Great Depression-the real reason they got propelled into power.

As for the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the reason was in large part that Saddam Hussein was violating the terms of the 1991 armistice agreement-and that certain nations were collaborating in said violations. And for the record, I am part of a forum which includes a number of recent veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, and I find them to be quite honest.

Originally Posted by Prowler

I'm not an architect either. But yea, we'll never know what really happened.

As for The Reichstag Fire, that one is far from being one of the most head scratching conspiracy theories out there. Whether it was caused by the nazis or not, they sure knew how to take advantage of the situation. Just like the US Government knew how to take advantage of the 9/11 attacks to invade a country like Iraq, which they probably would have invaded sooner or later, attacks or not.

[Powder]

This thread sucks.

[CyberCubed]

Jester, lock this thread.

[Leo656]

Don't put the guy on the spot, yeesh. I kinda prefer the Mods act in silence, like ninjas, so they don't get antagonized by people for locking threads, Warning people, and otherwise doing their jobs. I'm fine not knowing who locked what or who warned who. Keep it all a little mysterious.

But yeah conspiracies are dumb. The average human being can't keep their own dick pics from leaking out on the internet, how could a whole group of them get on the same page long enough to secretly take over the world? Smarten up. People in general are stupid; putting a group of them in a room together only increases the level of idiocy, not the opposite. Thus, there's no way a secret conspiracy society could ever get their act together long enough to take over a Waffle House, let alone the world.

But then... maybe I'm in on it? Dun-Dun-DUN!

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Have you heard about this organization called the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries, a secret cartel whose purpose is to prop up the price of oil on the world market...

What? You know about it already???

[Davetello]

Originally Posted by Leo656

But yeah conspiracies are dumb. The average human being can't keep their own dick pics from leaking out on the internet, how could a whole group of them get on the same page long enough to secretly take over the world? Smarten up. People in general are stupid; putting a group of them in a room together only increases the level of idiocy, not the opposite. Thus, there's no way a secret conspiracy society could ever get their act together long enough to take over a Waffle House, let alone the world.

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Or perhaps that sort of thinking is playing into their hands Look at the things which can be achieved - we can build building which tower so far into the sky, fly planes across the world, treat or even cure certain diseases. Humanity is more competent than you give it credit for, especially as a collective.

Personally I'm not sure either way - but I think it's foolish and complacent to dismiss the possibility out of hand.

[Leo656]

I just don't think it goes with human nature to suggest that any group of people could work together cohesively enough to pull it off. I mean, by definition, these people would be power-hungry and deceitful, right? So they'd be all back-stabbing each other to get ahead, too, and the whole thing would fall apart sooner rather than later.

People can't work together for very long before it all falls apart, even on a small scale. Sports teams can't even get along, and they all get paid a king's ransom to do nothing at all. To me, global conspiracies are merely entertaining fiction. Are some things lies and misdirection, especially from government types? Oh, absolutely. Definitely, definitely, there are people in power who want to control how you think and distract you from how bad they're screwing you. Is there a group of them secretly working in concert to control the whole world? Someone would have come for me by now, I'm certain.

[Davetello]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I just don't think it goes with human nature to suggest that any group of people could work together cohesively enough to pull it off. I mean, by definition, these people would be power-hungry and deceitful, right? So they'd be all back-stabbing each other to get ahead, too, and the whole thing would fall apart sooner rather than later.

People can't work together for very long before it all falls apart, even on a small scale. Sports teams can't even get along, and they all get paid a king's ransom to do nothing at all. To me, global conspiracies are merely entertaining fiction. Are some things lies and misdirection, especially from government types? Oh, absolutely. Definitely, definitely, there are people in power who want to control how you think and distract you from how bad they're screwing you. Is there a group of them secretly working in concert to control the whole world? Someone would have come for me by now, I'm certain.

Hahaha, well to be fair you do make a convincing argument. You would imagine that ruthless, power-drunk people would eventually turn on one another and that the entire operation would be unsustainable. But I'm just not sure - I've heard of things which go on over here (things such as the Orange Order, which links into Freemasonry). That's obviously not on a global scale but perhaps you're right - things can be carried out at a micro level but not macro.

Athletes tend to be very petty, childish types though. You'd think that the Illuminati (I had to use the word eventually, lol) would consist of more driven people. But on the whole you're probably right that - while the media is all about distraction - there probably isn't a one-world government conspiracy theory going on. But to reiterate, I don't think we can so casually dismiss the possibility.

There's a hint of irony in your comments though, given you have a DP of Nash - a guy who was in the NWO stable

[Slade]

Originally Posted by Davetello

Hahaha, well to be fair you do make a convincing argument. You would imagine that ruthless, power-drunk people would eventually turn on one another and that the entire operation would be unsustainable. But I'm just not sure - I've heard of things which go on over here (things such as the Orange Order, which links into Freemasonry). That's obviously not on a global scale but perhaps you're right - things can be carried out at a micro level but not macro.

Athletes tend to be very petty, childish types though. You'd think that the Illuminati (I had to use the word eventually, lol) would consist of more driven people. But on the whole you're probably right that - while the media is all about distraction - there probably isn't a one-world government conspiracy theory going on. But to reiterate, I don't think we can so casually dismiss the possibility.

There's a hint of irony in your comments though, given you have a DP of Nash - a guy who was in the NWO stable

Their on to you Leo

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Davetello

There's a hint of irony in your comments though, given you have a DP of Nash - a guy who was in the NWO stable

Hey, y'know, now that I think of it.... that guy has been paid more money for working on the one TMNT movie than everyone else in all three of them COMBINED (and I mean JUST what he makes from that movie, not the rest of his career)... so maybe there IS a conspiracy at work!

In all seriousness, I almost fell over. Accounting for royalties and inflation, the guy made, like, X million dollars per minute of filming, and still gets paid a cut every time someone buys a DVD. I want HIS agent.

That guy... that guy, I could see running a global conspiracy. He'd make a very handsome dictator.

[Davetello]

Originally Posted by Raph_tha_Dude

Their on to you Leo

Lol, it's one of those messages which they think we are too mind-controlled to notice

Originally Posted by Leo656

Hey, y'know, now that I think of it.... that guy has been paid more money for working on the one TMNT movie than everyone else in all three of them COMBINED (and I mean JUST what he makes from that movie, not the rest of his career)... so maybe there IS a conspiracy at work!

In all seriousness, I almost fell over. Accounting for royalties and inflation, the guy made, like, X million dollars per minute of filming, and still gets paid a cut every time someone buys a DVD. I want HIS agent.

That guy... that guy, I could see running a global conspiracy. He'd make a very handsome dictator.

Yeah, but Super Shredder was worth every penny lmfao.

Nash just has that star quality I guess. He has the right look and seems to be an astute businessman. And yep, the grey hair and the physical presence also leads itself to that 'suave, good looking, yet evil megalomanic' sort who would be the leader of the new world.

[Netkeeper]

Originally Posted by Powder

This thread sucks.

You seem to love going into a thread just to say "this thread [x]".

Not that I really have a problem with it, it's just an observation. :V

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Netkeeper

You seem to love going into a thread just to say "this thread [x]".

Not that I really have a problem with it, it's just an observation. :V

Eh, sometimes that's all ya need to say, y'know? I like that he's right to the point. I can't do that.

Originally Posted by Davetello

Yeah, but Super Shredder was worth every penny lmfao.

Nash just has that star quality I guess. He has the right look and seems to be an astute businessman. And yep, the grey hair and the physical presence also leads itself to that 'suave, good looking, yet evil megalomanic' sort who would be the leader of the new world.

Believe me, he is an enchanting sonofabitch when you're in the same room with him. Once you meet him, you immediately understand why the guy has gotten everything he ever wanted out of life. It's like someone bottled up all the charisma in the entire world and gave it all to just One Guy. I'm not the only one who says so, even people who think he's literally the Devil walking the Earth admit that he could talk himself out of a murder charge while holding a bloody ax. It's uncanny. I have met a million people and never seen anything like it. Guy ain't human.