Should the series end at season 5?

[CyberCubed]

You people do not understand the way business works. Nick didn't spend $60 million just to buy the franchise, (and another $50 million ontop of that to produce the episodes) to just run a cartoon for 4 years and call it quits. It was a long-term investment.

The show is no way going to end after 4-5 years. The movie franchise is still in theaters and there will be a cartoon on the air the same time. Nick TMNT's ratings and toysales are fine.

Its hard to believe a bunch of disgruntled 20-30 year olds on online forums have no idea how real-life business works. This isn't fanfiction where the creator can pull a plug at any moment, its BUSINESS.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Tarris Vaal

Actually, there is a lot of truth in that. Better to end on a high note than linger and fall - for those of us that remember it, you need look no further than Babylon 5 as a good example.
4 Seasons effectively finished and wrapped up the entire show and it was comfortably a classic. Then it was given an unexpected extra season and a spin off. Those extra seasons were an utter joke and basically ruined the legacy of the show.

Actually, an interesting thought; If the show was cancelled (either season 4,5 or even just pulled unexpectedly), what would the Nicktoons legacy be for the Turtles franchise? What would it be remembered for leaving a lasting influence, and what do you think would just quietly be swept under the rug in future iterations?

Personally, I think the lasting legacy of the Nick cartoon is thus:

Positives:
Karai as Hamato Yoshi's biological daughter
Giving needed dimension to Leonardo's personality (before the show forgot he was a nerd and insecure in being a leader)
Fishface, Rahzar/Dogpound, and Tiger Claw

Negatives:
Donatello's massive crush on April
Teenage April and Casey

Neutrals:
The Kraang (Utroms) as a malevolent race operating in secret to enslave/undermine humanity

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

You people do not understand the way business works. Nick didn't spend $60 million just to buy the franchise, (and another $50 million ontop of that to produce the episodes) to just run a cartoon for 4 years and call it quits. It was a long-term investment.

The show is no way going to end after 4-5 years. The movie franchise is still in theaters and there will be a cartoon on the air the same time. Nick TMNT's ratings and toysales are fine.

Its hard to believe a bunch of disgruntled 20-30 year olds on online forums have no idea how real-life business works. This isn't fanfiction where the creator can pull a plug at any moment, its BUSINESS.

I'm not going to bother rereading every post in this thread, but from what I've seen, we're not arguing that the show WILL end soon, but that it might be best (from an artistic integrity POV) if the show DID end soon, rather than drag on and limp along to a slow, ignoble, forgotten death. Kinda like previous takes on the franchise.

But no, Nick is definitely going for the massive ROI. Toys (cheap though they may be), cartoons (with definite highs and lows), and movies (ruined by Michael Bay) will continue for as long as Nick can make it.

And as long as I keep getting kickass amazing comics from IDW, I'm fine with it.

[TigerClaw]

Fred Wolf series lasted for 10 seasons

The 2k3 series lasted for 7 seasons

With so much stuff in all previous incarnations, such as the comics, movies, video games, and so on, This show could last for more then 10 seasons.

[Tarris Vaal]

The show is no way going to end after 4-5 years. The movie franchise is still in theaters and there will be a cartoon on the air the same time. Nick TMNT's ratings and toysales are fine.

Whilst I completely agree with you that its highly unlikely Nick 'will' pull the show after the proposed 5 seasons (assuming nothing dramatically changes between now and then of course), that wasn't the question posed by the thread.

To misquote Goldblum; 'They are so concerned with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to consider whether or not they should!'

I guess its possible we might have a middle road option, and a new series is commissioned further down the line to reboot it again. Perhaps bringing it more in line with anything the movies have set up.


edit: Sorry CyberC, looks like I got beaten to that answer

[NinjaPug]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

You people do not understand the way business works. Nick didn't spend $60 million just to buy the franchise, (and another $50 million ontop of that to produce the episodes) to just run a cartoon for 4 years and call it quits. It was a long-term investment.

The show is no way going to end after 4-5 years. The movie franchise is still in theaters and there will be a cartoon on the air the same time. Nick TMNT's ratings and toysales are fine.

Its hard to believe a bunch of disgruntled 20-30 year olds on online forums have no idea how real-life business works. This isn't fanfiction where the creator can pull a plug at any moment, its BUSINESS.

Why couldn't they just end this show and create a different, cheaper version?

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by NinjaPug

Why couldn't they just end this show and create a different, cheaper version?

How would they do that? If you're implying something like Teen Titans Go that in no way will bring in the same money.

[IndigoErth]

Well no, not everyone is business minded, some people wrap their mind around "how business works" better than others, people have different traits and what they're good and bad at.

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Giving needed dimension to Leonardo's personality (before the show forgot he was a nerd and insecure in being a leader)

I miss that side (and glad it showed up for a second in one of the recent episodes), though rather than the show forgetting, I've taken it more as character development and recent events having forced him to grow up and become more serious.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

How would they do that? If you're implying something like Teen Titans Go that in no way will bring in the same money.

Well, 2D would surely be cheaper for one, though I think a new unrelated series would probably be more likely. (Though I'd prefer a continuation, even if they turn it 2D.) Suppose it's not out of the question they could jump ship and do a 2D series for the 2014 Turtles... (But they better use a decent looking art style - I've seen some nice looking fan made stuff, there's potential in 2D maybe.)

[rickwj324]

It'll be a sad day in my household when this show ends! I'm the major turtle geek in my house, but my kids (and now my wife) are all turtles fans. Not only is this show one of my favorite cartoons, but it is also one of my favorite shows period. I truly love it and as long as it stays fresh and doesn't drag on for the sake of milking it for money then I'd like to see it have a very long life indeed.

[NinjaPug]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

How would they do that? If you're implying something like Teen Titans Go that in no way will bring in the same money.

I'm not implying anything. Why wouldn't that generate the same (or more) money as the current series?

Why couldn't they take a page out of Marvels book and cancel the current TMNT series to make a new one set in the movie universe?

There are many ways this show could be cancelled while still having TMNT on tv.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by NinjaPug

Why wouldn't that generate the same (or more) money as the current series?

Kids whose first exposure to TMNT is the Nick cartoon and they obviously enjoy the fighting and action. If they make a short comedy series it would probably air alongside it, not replace it if it happens at all.

Why couldn't they take a page out of Marvels book and cancel the current TMNT series to make a new one set in the movie universe?

Nick isn't anywhere as moronic as Marvel or Cartoon Network are with their shows. The movie franchise will already have its second movie out by the time we're in Season 4-5 so it'll likely be too late by then.

Even IDW doesn't want anything to do with the movie hence no movie-based comics.

There are many ways this show could be cancelled while still having TMNT on tv.

They could but as I've said above there would be no point. If the show gets canceled I expect them to just air it in reruns for a few years without anything new for a long time if ever.

I certainly don't expect Nick to start up a whole new cartoon in a new continuity right after the Nick one ends. This isn't Batman or the way Marvel treats their shows.

[NinjaPug]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Kids whose first exposure to TMNT is the Nick cartoon and they obviously enjoy the fighting and action. If they make a short comedy series it would probably air alongside it, not replace it if it happens at all.

Nick isn't anywhere as moronic as Marvel or Cartoon Network are with their shows. The movie franchise will already have its second movie out by the time we're in Season 4-5 so it'll likely be too late by then.

Even IDW doesn't want anything to do with the movie hence no movie-based comics.

They could but as I've said above there would be no point. If the show gets canceled I expect them to just air it in reruns for a few years without anything new for a long time if ever.

I certainly don't expect Nick to start up a whole new cartoon in a new continuity right after the Nick one ends. This isn't Batman or the way Marvel treats their shows.

All I read on here is how stupid Nick is with their shows (TMNT, Korra). We've never seen how Nick would treat this franchise in this situation so it's ridiculous to say Nick wouldn't do something.

Your wants and opinions have no bearing on what Nick will do with this franchise.

[sdp]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

You people do not understand the way business works. Nick didn't spend $60 million just to buy the franchise, (and another $50 million ontop of that to produce the episodes) to just run a cartoon for 4 years and call it quits. It was a long-term investment.

The show is no way going to end after 4-5 years. The movie franchise is still in theaters and there will be a cartoon on the air the same time. Nick TMNT's ratings and toysales are fine.

Its hard to believe a bunch of disgruntled 20-30 year olds on online forums have no idea how real-life business works. This isn't fanfiction where the creator can pull a plug at any moment, its BUSINESS.

no offence but I don't think you understand how real-life business works, it's all about profit and often the short term profit. They will continue the show/movies as long as its profitable, if they make their $60 million investment back they'll be happy if not they won't, it doesn't matter how much they spent they won't continue something that is generating fewer and fewer returns, that's how big businesses work, it doesn't have to be making money or breaking even, it has to be making a lot of money. Now I don't think they'll be cancelling the show but the moment its no longer profitable they won't be afraid to cancel everything and putting it in the vault in perpetuity. And yeah they could cancel the current show to make a new one in 2 years, WB does it all the time with Scooby-Doo and Batman and other franchises like Transformers also get rebooted all the time, it's nothing new. Like you've posted many times in the past after 5 years the little kids who watched the show are now teenagers and no longer the target audience so why not reboot it for the new generation?

As much as this show doesn't has dissapointed me I do wish it gets plenty of seasons and see where it goes since it's not terrible. I think the deciding factor for this would be great toysales, ratings and the box office of the movies. If two of those are not great you can kiss TMNT good bye and all three are likely to falter. Playmates is continuing the trend of ******ness which killed the 2k3 line and took the TV show down with it. The movie did alright but didn't do Transformers numbers, if the next movie keeps declining then it might not even reach a third movie and ratings could be a big factor since kids today lose interest much quicker than before. My only hope is that Viacom doesn't shelf the franchise for too long of a time when this current "wave" of TMNT is over.

[srmff]

Originally Posted by Metalwolf

Plus this show's original target audience (7 year olds) will be turning 11 years old when Season 4 runs, so unless they plan on doing darker and edgier to try and keep them going at 12 and 13, they might just wrap it up then and then start a new show in about 2 years.

The show is already targeting an older age group if you base it on the age rating of the DVDs. The season 2 boxset released on 30 March in the UK is rated 12. I don't know what the rating is in the US but they can't go much darker than what they're currently doing if this is the age rating.

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Positives:
Karai as Hamato Yoshi's biological daughter
Giving needed dimension to Leonardo's personality (before the show forgot he was a nerd and insecure in being a leader)
Fishface, Rahzar/Dogpound, and Tiger Claw

From the beginning Ciro claimed that he was going to the develop Leo into the character that people have already known. I believe that this is character development rather than amnesia in the show. It was even referenced in a recent episode. We are seeing Leo transform from a nerdy, insecure teenager into a confident, serious leader with responsibilities. Ciro didn't want Leo to be this wise, confident and wordly leader from the start but rather develop these traits through experience. We are seeing him grow into the leader that we all know he will become.

[Powder]

Originally Posted by srmff

From the beginning Ciro claimed that he was going to the develop Leo into the character that people have already known. I believe that this is character development rather than amnesia in the show. It was even referenced in a recent episode. We are seeing Leo transform from a nerdy, insecure teenager into a confident, serious leader with responsibilities. Ciro didn't want Leo to be this wise, confident and wordly leader from the start but rather develop these traits through experience. We are seeing him grow into the leader that we all know he will become.

& that is what makes this Leo so damn good. I'd put him right next to Mirage's.

[yellowmario27]

What if the show's ratings dropped significantly? Like in the thousands rather than million viewers it currently has? Would they still continue it?

I'm not sure about Nick shows, but a lot of shows on there don't seem to get cancelled....unless there's some external conflict (zoey 101, victorious)

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by NinjaPug

All I read on here is how stupid Nick is with their shows (TMNT, Korra). We've never seen how Nick would treat this franchise in this situation so it's ridiculous to say Nick wouldn't do something.

Your wants and opinions have no bearing on what Nick will do with this franchise.

Korra was always planned to be a short series and end like Avatar did. The only difference is they aired the last season online because ratings were low. Which makes sense, Korra felt like it was aimed at adults rather than kids. Not to suprising kids didn't get into the show.

With TMNT the only problem is the constant rerun breaks. Other than the rerun hiatus how are they treated it badly?

[BubblyShell22]

Originally Posted by Powder

& that is what makes this Leo so damn good. I'd put him right next to Mirage's.

Yes, exactly. Leo has still matured, but he still has his geeky side, which we saw in "Battle for New York" and I liked that a lot. It shows that even if you do change, you can still stay the same in some aspects, and I love the growth they've given him and how he'll continue to grow throughout the series.

As for how long I want it to last, I say as long as they can be consistent and make good stories, it can last as long as they want it to. We know Ciro said he had planned for five seasons, so if it goes that long, great. If not, then I'm sure he has a way to end it in four if the show isn't picked up for another one. And there is talk about a spin-off show, so there's definitely going to be that as well. It all depends on what Nick wants to do.

And, Cubed, there are two ways the show has been treated badly: 1. The constant breaks and 2. Lack of marketing on Nickelodeon itself. I have yet to see a TMNT commercial on Nickelodeon, and that is sad to say the least.

[blindturtle02]

I'd love it to last longer than 5 seasons. Besides Star Wars Rebels, this show has to be my favorite animated series on TV at present. I'm with Bubbly. As long as the stories continue to be incredible, I'd be up for however many seasons they'll throw at us. Until we hear otherwise, I'd certainly like to think we're in for more than 5 seasons. I'm jumping the gun since we don't even know if there will be a fifth season, but I'm an optimal optimist.

[senpai]

Originally Posted by Powder

& that is what makes this Leo so damn good. I'd put him right next to Mirage's.

Leo is ichiban turtle.

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