Official TMNT 2 Trailer Discussion

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I'd rather gamble on Suzie Swallows' next herpes outbreak than on such a thing.

See, that's funny sh*t.

Let's see how long it takes for some loser to shake YOUR tree for making tongue-in-cheek statements in the name of fun. Unless I'm the only one not allowed to talk.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Leo656

See, that's funny sh*t.

Let's see how long it takes for some loser to shake YOUR tree for making tongue-in-cheek statements in the name of fun. Unless I'm the only one not allowed to talk.

Hey, better you than me. Should scroll back and look at the posts in 2007 I made that suggested TMNT 2007 was anything other than Shakespeare. Salem and Nuremberg have nothing on that.

Little surprised and impressed that I didn't quite get that about the 2014... "film." But then, I think a lot of TMNT fan folks around here had either broken free of the battered wife syndrome or just quit the forum (because it's "too negative" [read: not automatically impressed by dogsh*t with TMNT's name on it because we're TMNT fans]) by that point. And the weirdness about the Shredder weirdness ("he's Sachs! No, we've reshot stuff, but totally not that... no, Shredder is Japanese now! trust us!" and thankfully even the most lowbrow of fans sort of seeing through that) probably played a part in that as a rallying point.

The optimism for TMNT Part 6/The Crappy TMNT Reboot Part 2 is a little puzzling to me, though at the same time it's not. Because these same fans that have been raw-dogged over and over again still at least have the comfort of knowing garbage like Bebop and Rocksteady from their childhood Playmates collection will be front and center. So there's probably this innate hope in them that's like, "Oh! They're listening now! This will be the bee's knees!" But it's not. TPTB will somehow get Bebop and Rocksteady "wrong" (how you get two one dimensional comic relief characters whose only "iconic" feature beyond their size is their dimwittedness wrong is beyond me) and these same people will be here in a year or whatever talking about how dumb the movie was and all of their disagreements with you or I will just quietly ebb away. Like... like...

[Leo656]

I've noticed how TMNT fans have a certain sense of desperate "ownership" of the franchise that I don't always see elsewhere. Like they'd rather have lots of crap than nothing at all. I don't get it.

When I talk to, like, Batman fans, for example, I never hear anyone say, "Well, I'm glad 'Batman & Robin' exists because it kept the franchise going," and not one person ever even pretends it's good, no matter how much they love Batman. They just say "Wow, what a piece of sh*t, no movie at all is better than a piece of sh*t movie, I wish they never made it." That's the right attitude.

To me, once it officially gets to a point where MOST of the TMNT stuff ever made is Bad and only a little bit is Good - and at this rate, that day's not far off - all it means is that 1. Fewer people will get into the franchise at all because the majority of it will be off-putting and irredeemable, and 2. The actual good stuff will be harder and harder to find, buried under a mountain of crap.

Why anyone WANTS that to happen is beyond me. "Nah, just keep the brand alive. To hell with anything being 'Good'. If we don't support their Bad Movies they won't make anymore movies at all!" Well, sh*t, GOOD, then, if all they know how to make is bad movies I don't WANT them to ever make more! Why would anyone? Holy sh*t.

But yeah, it's probably not unique to TMNT fans but I don't see the attitude much in other fandoms. They just want the thing they love to be taken care of and treated respectfully. Not to simply have its logo feces smeared across the landscape because they loved something when they were 5.

Anyone who thinks this place is "too negative" should take note of how two folks like you and I, who disagree on pretty much everything outside of, "Green Lantern is pretty sweet", can be united by our mutual hatred of these movies and our ability to see through the haze of marketing bullsh*t. I mean, that's pretty inspiring if you think about it.

[Wildcat]

Ha, you guys complaining people are over accepting of everything but being overly negative/dramatic about bad installments is the same difference.

Batman and Robin is a good example. It didn't kill the franchise. PD Tmnt is not going to kill this franchise.

This version will pass. The license will move and totally new, most likely better movies will be made.

I mean ranting on boards how said-whatever is so awful is equally ridiculous. Omg how could anyone like this?!!!

We all like something dumb, corny or cheesy. No one's claiming PD Turtles are fantastic works of cinema.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I've noticed how TMNT fans have a certain sense of desperate "ownership" of the franchise that I don't always see elsewhere. Like they'd rather have lots of crap than nothing at all. I don't get it.

I think it's because TMNT is one of those properties that actually "went away" for a while. Show ended, movies ended, comics ended, everything. It wasn't even for that long, really, but I think some fans are just scared that if they don't support everything with the TMNT brand attached that it'll "go away" again and never come back.

But that's not really how things work anymore. Nothing is allowed to die. If this movie fails, the "worst"-case scenario is that Paramount puts more TMNT movies on hold for a few years then reboots it once again in another, probably much-better direction. Franchises are rebooted so quickly these days it's almost unbelievable -- especially ones that are proven money-makers.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Leo656

When I talk to, like, Batman fans, for example, I never hear anyone say, "Well, I'm glad 'Batman & Robin' exists because it kept the franchise going," and not one person ever even pretends it's good, no matter how much they love Batman. They just say "Wow, what a piece of sh*t, no movie at all is better than a piece of sh*t movie, I wish they never made it." That's the right attitude.

I have a few thoughts on this. For one, there hasn't been enough consistent "quality" TMNT stuff in wide enough mediums to breed enough sound-minded fans that see the diamond through the ruff. For another, deep down there's probably a knowledge that TMNT isn't as "Big" as something like Batman, so this creates a sort of innate fear that if anything TMNT isn't out there always, no matter the quality control, it might just go away altogether. And we can't have that. And how dare you suggest otherwise, otherwise you're the enemy kind of a thing.

To me, once it officially gets to a point where MOST of the TMNT stuff ever made is Bad and only a little bit is Good - and at this rate, that day's not far off - all it means is that 1. Fewer people will get into the franchise at all because the majority of it will be off-putting and irredeemable, and 2. The actual good stuff will be harder and harder to find, buried under a mountain of crap.

I think there's good in large portions of IDW and there's humor and fun in the Nick stuff... but I kind of think we're already there.

Anyone who thinks this place is "too negative" should take note of how two folks like you and I, who disagree on pretty much everything outside of, "Green Lantern is pretty sweet", can be united by our mutual hatred of these movies and our ability to see through the haze of marketing bullsh*t. I mean, that's pretty inspiring if you think about it.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't remember disagreeing with you about a whole ton of stuff. Maybe bandanna colors or what ninja clans mean or something.

Originally Posted by Wildcat

We all like something dumb, corny or cheesy. No one's claiming PD Turtles are fantastic works of cinema.

But plenty have the wide-eyed stance of, "Oh, they've learned! They've learned! The next one will be badass! Don't you remember playing with the action figures in the bathtub???!?! Turtle vehicles! Lots of vehicles! Bebop and Rocksteady, for god's sake! It's gonna be AWESOME!!!! Think of the toooooys!!!" When these should only be serving as reasons to further treat it as thermonuclear fallout and run the f*ck in the other direction.

[Leo656]

Even if it did go away, who even cares? There's been a mountain of stuff. It doesn't NEED to constantly be redone, there's already plenty of it. Even if they stopped making new stuff, the old stuff is still fine, people would still find their way to it if they felt like it. Parents would still be introducing it to their kids, and so on. Stuff like Dick Tracy still has fans, nobody's done anything "new" with it in decades but people still get into it, and those fans aren't constantly begging for some crappy half-assed reboot of it that craps all over the integrity of the original material, just to keep toys on the shelves. They don't care if the thing they like is a "global phenomenon", they just want it to be good. It's not important to them if billions of little kids like it, or like some crappy "new and different" version of it.

That kind of stuff isn't important. It's only important to the companies making billions dumping more plastic on a gullible consumerist public. Constant Reboots = More Toys. Meanwhile, the newer stuff is usually worse than the older stuff. "Law of diminishing returns" and all that.

Andrew: All that, and you've said mean things about Kevin Nash! I also think I'm a little more favorable of Geoff Johns than you are.

It maybe isn't quantity, more like, on things we disagree, we disagree completely. But that's fine. Everybody knows you're a good egg.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Andrew: All that, and you've said mean things about Kevin Nash!

Did I? I never had anything against him as a wrestler. When he came into the WWE with the resurrected nWo in the WWE with Hogan he seemed sound, and I was stoked. I never watched WCW but he still seemed like he had a presence. In terms of TMNT II, he was just a hulking guy in a suit, he didn't really add or subtract anything from an already crappy movie I thought was Citizen Kane when I was 9 years old. Though I don't think I've even commented that much on him in terms of TMNT around here, ever.

I also think I'm a little more favorable of Geoff Johns than you are.

An ideas man who ran out of ideas a long time ago. In terms of comic book scripting, a hack relying on Top List artists with lots of lazy splash and double-splash pages (and cliffhangers edging on cliffhangers, events bleeding into events) to fill out his books that you can read in like a minute. You will never find him slumming it with an "average" or crappy artist because he absolutely knows people will then see him for what he is. When I read fans talking about how great Geoff is over guys like Grant Morrison or Mark Waid I want to sh*t the bed.

Good god, he's co-writing the next Batman movie... save us all. He should have gone down with the ship on the Green Lantern movie (which he had full creative veto power on and input on every level), if not the Blade TV series. But people seem to forget about all of that. Maybe because he keeps sing-songing memories of carrying Richard Donner's jockstrap 2 decades ago in every interview he ever does.

The current crop of GL writers are afraid to even mention his name beyond in terms of, "Trying to follow in his footsteps" or "he left big shoes to fill," which says a lot. He's still pulling the strings as "CCO." Like some kind of vapid empowered fratboy that won't let go.

It maybe isn't quantity, more like, on things we disagree, we disagree completely. But that's fine. Everybody knows you're a good egg.

You're aw-right too.

[Commenter 42]

And you all think they don't pay attention to us...

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

And then I'm reminded of this sh*t stain train wreck. It's like waking up into a nightmare.

I want them to release the trailer in front of Star Wars. I dare them.

Looks like Paramount's gone ahead and accepted my challenge.

Well played Mista Green, well played...

[Wildcat]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

But plenty have the wide-eyed stance of, "Oh, they've learned! They've learned! The next one will be badass! Don't you remember playing with the action figures in the bathtub???!?! Turtle vehicles! Lots of vehicles! Bebop and Rocksteady, for god's sake! It's gonna be AWESOME!!!! Think of the toooooys!!!" When these should only be serving as reasons to further treat it as thermonuclear fallout and run the f*ck in the other direction.

I haven't seen any posts with a wide-eyed stance but I'm willing to bet part 2 will probably be a little better. That's not saying much but again bad/below average movies come and go all the time.

After a certain point complaining about how awful something is turns into silly hyperbole. Which I guess is the reason some do it in the first place. It's fun. Especially with the internet.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Wildcat

I haven't seen any posts with a wide-eyed stance but I'm willing to bet part 2 will probably be a little better.

But... based on what kind of track record? Or anything empirical, really?

[Wildcat]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

But... based on what kind of track record? Or anything empirical, really?

Well I'm assuming they're not going back to redo any major part of the film over internet complaining. So at least it should be better put together.

Bebop and Rocksteady will probably be entertaining. They should fit into a movie like this. Just generally speaking too. Other things could be good.

Of course I don't know for sure these things will turn out good. I said I'm willing to bet because it's a different movie/script. I'm not saying it'll be amazing.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by Wildcat

Of course I don't know for sure these things will turn out good. I said I'm willing to bet because it's a different movie/script. I'm not saying it'll be amazing.

but its not different...it may be NEW SCRIPT in terms of it was written recently as far as we know


but its the same exact crew as the last one, new director, but same production team


the script couldve been written by the right hand of God...but the crew are the ones who turn pen and paper to picture, if anything they have more to work towards in keeping to the old script and adding in new characters as will as "fixing" anything they deem fiable...which looks like new shredder

[letscook89]

Do you guys think we will have the trailer before star wars in France too ? If we won't have it, I hope some of you will film it in the theater and put it online

[Wildcat]

@Boston Ninja Turtle, Same crew and studio doesn't make it the same. Same continuity since its a sequel but it is a different storyline and plot. Which could be better. Could. Not for sure.

Plenty of movies that have the same studio and crew turn out different from its predecessors or successors. Look at great movies with not so good sequels. The reverse is just as possible.

Again not saying it'll be great...I'm just expecting general improvement.

[Leo656]

You may be right. Sometimes the sh*t I took after lunch was better than the sh*t I took after breakfast.

Still sh*t ether way, though, so one being marginally better than the other doesn't say much at all. That's the point some of us are making.

[Commenter 42]

The trend for sequels is to take the original, add more stuff, but distill the elements from the former into the more compact latter.

Example - Batman was a surprise hit, so they made Returns, which is essentially Batman with double the Burton. Nolans Batman the same, only this time it took 3 movies before we collectively over-Nolaned.

Not sure where they'll double down with TMNT, but rest assured it won't be pretty.

[bushido]

Originally Posted by letscook89

Do you guys think we will have the trailer before star wars in France too ? If we won't have it, I hope some of you will film it in the theater and put it online

Don't count on it fellow frog eater. We will have Star Wars few days before USA () but we will have TMNT2 weeks after... Paramount logic. 06/06 for USA and 07/13 for us. The trailer will drop online next month, don't worry about that, worry about what we will see in it
By the way we're not sure it will be before SW, Amell never said it. I won't be surprised if not. Maybe Point Break remake? With Paramount everything is possible because...Paramount

[xChri5x]

Originally Posted by Leo656

See, that's funny sh*t.

Let's see how long it takes for some loser to shake YOUR tree for making tongue-in-cheek statements in the name of fun. Unless I'm the only one not allowed to talk.

I had some guy do this to me in another thread. It's sure getting crazy around here!

[Foombamaroom]

I don't know why you guys are thinking that the second movie is going to be different. When I say different, I don't mean good, I mean different. It's literally the same production team with a different director. It's still gonna have roid-raged turtles, bad dialogue, heavy April focus, lots of CGI/Explosions, and at least 3 action scenes.

The main thing about the Batman movies is that they're fresh. Each one has its own unique style. Batman was like a cheese-fest that tried taking itself seriously, Returns was Burton on double the crack he's usually on, Forever was a cheese-fest that didn't take itself seriously, and Batman and Robin was molded in ****.

Probably not the best examples, let's try again.
BB: Gritty, dark intro story with a villain that has a clear cut motivation.
TDK: Gritty and dark with a villain with no clear motivation, and pushes the characters to a breaking point.
TDKR: The villain wants to follow the first movie's villain, and everything the second movie's villain said came true, ending the circle.

These movies are gonna be like the Transformers movies.
TF: Bad guy wants an object so he destroys a city.
ROTF: Bad guy wants an object so he destroys another city.
DOTM: Bad guy wants multiple objects so he destroys a city.
AOE: Multiple bad guys want an object to create even more bad guys so they destroy a city.

If you're expecting TMNT 2 to be an emotional joyride with the Turtles, not focus on April, and respect the source material, well, I've got bad news for ya.