Gotham Showrunner is an Idiot? - Page 2

*TurtleTitan97* · 08-26-2016, 02:36 PM

"Idiot" doesn't even come close to describing this fool.

I'll take shows like The Flash over trash like Gotham.

*snake* · 08-26-2016, 02:36 PM

It's the dumb reason why DC takes characters out of shows when they're about to appear in a movie. So casuals won't get "confused" when they're not even watching the shows in the first place

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 08-26-2016, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by snake

It's the dumb reason why DC takes characters out of shows when they're about to appear in a movie. So casuals won't get "confused" when they're not even watching the shows in the first place

That NEVER happens!

Except with Amanda Waller. And Floyd Lawton. And Captain Boomerang. And Katana. And...

Okay, okay. It happens all the damn time.

*snake* · 08-26-2016, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

That NEVER happens!

Except with Amanda Waller. And Floyd Lawton. And Captain Boomerang. And Katana. And...

Okay, okay. It happens all the damn time.

Don't forget how Blue Beetle was supposed to appear on flash before they changed it to The Atom.

*TurtleTitan97* · 08-26-2016, 02:46 PM

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Don't forget how Blue Beetle was supposed to appear on flash before they changed it to The Atom.

Actually Blue Beetle was suppose to debut on Arrow since they kept hinting at "Kord Industries".

Either way, it's a darn shame.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 08-26-2016, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by snake

Don't forget how Blue Beetle was supposed to appear on flash before they changed it to The Atom.

Oh, that's right! I completely forgot about that!

It's even worse that they remove or skip over characters like Blue Beetle, Deathstroke, and Nightwing...

Only to never do a damn thing with them on the big screen after all.

*snake* · 08-26-2016, 02:52 PM

That's why I like animated shows. Not only could you do more story wise, but NO ONE is going to think people won't be able to tell the difference between cartoon Superman and movie Superman

Right?

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 08-26-2016, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by snake

That's why I like animated shows. Not only could you do more story wise, but NO ONE is going to think people won't be able to tell the difference between cartoon Superman and movie Superman

Right?

I dunno, I prefer live-action. Animated is great, but there's just something more "weighty" about live-action. I take it more seriously.

Like, we've had some good TMNT cartoons, and some great Robins in cartoons, but I'm still not going to be satisfied until we get great live-action Robins and TMNT.

*snake* · 08-26-2016, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

I dunno, I prefer live-action. Animated is great, but there's just something more "weighty" about live-action. I take it more seriously.

Like, we've had some good TMNT cartoons, and some great Robins in cartoons, but I'm still not going to be satisfied until we get great live-action Robins and TMNT.

We need 42 minute runtime cartoons and quality animation and writing. Maybe then people can take an animated show a little more seriously.

*TheSkeletonMan939* · 08-26-2016, 03:02 PM

That's literally what the Justice League TV show was. And EVERYONE loves the JL cartoon!

It can totally work. The problem is people like Jeph Loeb forcing Ultimate Spider-Man down everyone's throats.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 08-26-2016, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by snake

We need 42 minute runtime cartoons and quality animation and writing. Maybe then people can take an animated show a little more seriously.

I think the only animated feature I'd feel comfortable telling a non-geek adult to sit down and watch would be "Under the Red Hood."

Maybe that's why I put so much stock into "we need live-action." Non-geeks take movies more seriously and credibly than animated shows/movies or comics.

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 08-26-2016, 03:11 PM

Just chiming in with my two cents but Gotham isn't really about the villains AS villains, it's about how they GOT that way. Same with Batman. It's an origin show with emphasis on the seedy characters of Gotham. It's equal parts Suicide Squad and Smallville, but much more history-driven than Smallville was. The characters have grown and changed. Sure some episodes are a little weird( the guy killing people with the balloon chairs) but it's more about the journey than where they all end up. We know what they WILL become, the show just leads us along the way. I like it- it's different enough to be interesting, and they've done some really neat takes on some of my favorite characters.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 08-26-2016, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Just chiming in with my two cents but Gotham isn't really about the villains AS villains, it's about how they GOT that way. Same with Batman. It's an origin show with emphasis on the seedy characters of Gotham. It's equal parts Suicide Squad and Smallville, but much more history-driven than Smallville was. The characters have grown and changed. Sure some episodes are a little weird( the guy killing people with the balloon chairs) but it's more about the journey than where they all end up. We know what they WILL become, the show just leads us along the way. I like it- it's different enough to be interesting, and they've done some really neat takes on some of my favorite characters.

None of the villains are supposed to become villains until after Batman. The whole underlying theme of Batman's villains are "would they even exist without him?" Well according to Gotham, yes. Yes they would.

I mean, hell. Gordon's wife Barbara is some lunatic serial killer now. It's just... if you want to enjoy it, go right ahead. But it has about as much in common with good Batman stories as Batmite.

*Candy Kappa* · 08-26-2016, 03:16 PM

The Bat-Mite stories in the Brave and the Bold cartoon are great, thank you very much

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 08-26-2016, 03:18 PM

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The Bat-Mite stories in the Brave and the Bold cartoon are great, thank you very much

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I am staring at you in utter bewilderment.

*ToTheNines* · 08-26-2016, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

None of the villains are supposed to become villains until after Batman. The whole underlying theme of Batman's villains are "would they even exist without him?" Well according to Gotham, yes. Yes they would.

Boom. That's why I wrote the show off the second I heard about it. Then it ended up being putrid filth on top of its fundamental misunderstanding of its source material.

*Candy Kappa* · 08-26-2016, 03:30 PM

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I am staring at you in utter bewilderment.

Emperor Joker! episode says it all.

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 08-26-2016, 03:32 PM

YMMV of course but obviously they already existed. I tink the question in this show is really more of what would they be like as people if not tangled up in his life and Gordon's. The two driving forces throughout the series have been Gordon's investigation and Bruce wanting to clean up Wayne Enterprises. Which has unearthed a slew of cans of worms that never would have been opened, like Hugo's nasty secret lab and Ed turning psycho. I'm not married to the idea of Bats pre-dating all of them, I see this as sort of a symbiotic kind of origin. Which came first, the Penguin or the Bat? Does it matter? Is the Joker an urban legend kind of loony like the Red Hood, or can there be only ONE? He's never had a SET origin before- I think they were trying to capitalize on that with Jerome. Where did Ivy get her obsession with plants? These questions are what the show attempts to answer. Burton dabbled with the idea a bit, and Gotham took it and ran with it.

*Andrew NDB* · 08-26-2016, 03:41 PM

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Where did Ivy get her obsession with plants?

Who cares? It doesn't belong in a show about Young Bruce.

*CyberCubed* · 08-26-2016, 03:54 PM

I'm just baffled that the first live-action "Batman" TV series since the 1960's Adam West show is.....this.

Its bizarre we've never had another Batman live-action show in 50 years.

08-26-2016, 02:36 PM	#21
TurtleTitan97 Space Cowboy Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Speed Force Posts: 7,043	"Idiot" doesn't even come close to describing this fool. I'll take shows like The Flash over trash like Gotham. __________________

08-26-2016, 03:11 PM	#32
MsMarvelDuckie I Married a Duck! Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: The bowels of Hell, Texas(otherwise known as Decatur) Posts: 8,773	Just chiming in with my two cents but Gotham isn't really about the villains AS villains, it's about how they GOT that way. Same with Batman. It's an origin show with emphasis on the seedy characters of Gotham. It's equal parts Suicide Squad and Smallville, but much more history-driven than Smallville was. The characters have grown and changed. Sure some episodes are a little weird( the guy killing people with the balloon chairs) but it's more about the journey than where they all end up. We know what they WILL become, the show just leads us along the way. I like it- it's different enough to be interesting, and they've done some really neat takes on some of my favorite characters. __________________ "You IDIOTS! You've captured their STUNT doubles!" -from "Spaceballs" "Where Science ends, magic begins." -Spiral, Uncanny X-Men #491 My various stories and fan-fics are now here- https://m.fanfiction.net/u/4770494/#end

08-26-2016, 03:16 PM	#34
Candy Kappa The Agenda of Existing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Vikingland Posts: 14,596	The Bat-Mite stories in the Brave and the Bold cartoon are great, thank you very much __________________ devianArt Instagram Youtube Tumblr Art Blog Patreon

08-26-2016, 03:32 PM	#38
MsMarvelDuckie I Married a Duck! Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: The bowels of Hell, Texas(otherwise known as Decatur) Posts: 8,773	YMMV of course but obviously they already existed. I tink the question in this show is really more of what would they be like as people if not tangled up in his life and Gordon's. The two driving forces throughout the series have been Gordon's investigation and Bruce wanting to clean up Wayne Enterprises. Which has unearthed a slew of cans of worms that never would have been opened, like Hugo's nasty secret lab and Ed turning psycho. I'm not married to the idea of Bats pre-dating all of them, I see this as sort of a symbiotic kind of origin. Which came first, the Penguin or the Bat? Does it matter? Is the Joker an urban legend kind of loony like the Red Hood, or can there be only ONE? He's never had a SET origin before- I think they were trying to capitalize on that with Jerome. Where did Ivy get her obsession with plants? These questions are what the show attempts to answer. Burton dabbled with the idea a bit, and Gotham took it and ran with it. __________________ "You IDIOTS! You've captured their STUNT doubles!" -from "Spaceballs" "Where Science ends, magic begins." -Spiral, Uncanny X-Men #491 My various stories and fan-fics are now here- https://m.fanfiction.net/u/4770494/#end

08-26-2016, 02:36 PM	#22
snake Disgusting Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Outer Heaven Posts: 12,231	It's the dumb reason why DC takes characters out of shows when they're about to appear in a movie. So casuals won't get "confused" when they're not even watching the shows in the first place

08-26-2016, 02:52 PM	#27
snake Disgusting Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Outer Heaven Posts: 12,231	That's why I like animated shows. Not only could you do more story wise, but NO ONE is going to think people won't be able to tell the difference between cartoon Superman and movie Superman Right?

08-26-2016, 03:02 PM	#30
TheSkeletonMan939 A New Day, A New Headache Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Over there Posts: 3,963	That's literally what the Justice League TV show was. And EVERYONE loves the JL cartoon! It can totally work. The problem is people like Jeph Loeb forcing Ultimate Spider-Man down everyone's throats.

08-26-2016, 03:54 PM	#40
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,881	I'm just baffled that the first live-action "Batman" TV series since the 1960's Adam West show is.....this. Its bizarre we've never had another Batman live-action show in 50 years.