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~~Jarrah White~~ · 02-17-2004, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperShredder84

Need to show Krang and the Technodrome. I understand before it would have been more difficult to do (although not impossible), but now it should be very easy with all the computers. It would cost a lot less and I'm sure it can be a very interesting story too.

They did have plans to include Utroms in the second movie.

Shreddette · 02-17-2004, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Wes

Hm, I'm not sure if that would work. A live-action Krang would give kids nightmares.

Yah, probably... that'd make him all the more cool.
Damn kids...

They could totally pull it off nowadays... when I heard about the first TMNT movie I imagined Krang was gonna be in it and it wouldn't have frightened me... of course, I was sorta desensitized as a kid, my brother, 7 years my senior, was a movie buff and we'd watch horrors together all the time... scared the hell out of me, but I am a better person for it today

Also, I was imagining how they woulda done it based on what I already saw of the turtles... and it looked kind of... dumb. COmputer generated FX Krang would kick so much ass if done by the right people!

raphael90 · 02-17-2004, 10:23 PM

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Hm, I'm not sure if that would work. A live-action Krang would give kids nightmares.

But it would be WICKED cool, especially considering animation technology these days!

*ZariusTwo* · 02-17-2004, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Wes

And why not talk to Zarius? I'm already under the impression that he/she doesn't like me -- after all, I'm not a "true fan" of Buffy and Angel, and I'm probably not a "true fan" of the TMNT either -- but the feeling's far from mutual.

Whoever said I ddi'nt like you?

Just because I was in a bad mood last night does'nt mean I don;t like you, you said something I disareedwith, I was p*ssed, I flamed you, sorry for that.

*Wes* · 02-18-2004, 06:28 AM

Zarius: Well, your post did give me that impression. Glad to know that's not the case!

As far as the live-action Krang goes, yeah, it'd be some scary crap. Doesn't mean I wouldn't want to see it, but I can totally understand why they wouldn't want to go that route -- you can have a gross little cartoon brain and he can be funny, but stick that thing in a movie where it's oozing around and making wet noises and things get creepy pretty quickly.

But if they did decide to do it, I wouldn't want to see a CG Krang -- they'd have to go all-out old school and make a nasty puppet. Anyone remember Boglins? Not even the Hulk can touch 'em, and they were just simple toys. An animatronic puppet would be aaaawesome. And scary.

MW8979 · 02-18-2004, 08:11 AM

But if they ever did have Krang in a movie, they would need to make that android body for him too. He just looks more dignified and intimidating with it.

Keroscene · 02-18-2004, 08:20 AM

If it's to attract any kind of audience, then basing it on a cartoon or having it follow a couple of sequels most moviegoers have forgotten isn't an option. But I'm kinda nervous about the prospects of a fourth film anyway... new films tend to use CGI all over the place and I hate when films look like they've been done on someone's Atari.

Orochi Chimera · 02-18-2004, 12:58 PM

In the last few years, I read a lot of articles saying that there was a new CGI TMNT movie coming out and that John Woo was going to direct it. That didn't work out.

February 12, 2003

Laird:
"Mirage Studios last year signed a deal with a company called Digital Rim. It was an option deal to co-develop a live action or CGI movie. John Woo is a partner in Digital Rim. The press release went out that said what I just said. People picked up on it ands translated that to mean that John Woo is going to direct a Turtles movie. That was never true. We hoped he would be involved and I think he even released something that said he was interested. That option is now expired, anyway. Ain't It Cool just blew up with all these funny posts excited about John Woo directing it."

from:
http://www.cinecon.com/news.php?id=0302126

Which turns out to be really interesting since he actually talked about it in an interview along with a TMNT TV series.

3-June-02
Director/producer John Woo told SCI FI Wire that his proposed Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie would use computer animation instead of animatronic puppets, as did the 1990s series of live-action movies based on the comic franchise. Woo will produce the proposed new film and a television series based on it. "We're still planning," Woo said in an interview. "I [will] work on this project as a producer with my partner, Terence Chang, as co-producer. The other companies [Digital Rim Entertainment and Mirage Studios] wanted to start with television first and then make a movie. Now we're starting with a story."

Woo said that computer animation would give Turtles a different feel from the previous film versions. "CGI can create more interesting techniques," he said. "It's also good for designing some of the crazy action. On the other hand, we want to be closer to the original [comic book], try to make it more moody and darker. CGI can create that kind of mood." New Line Cinema, producers of the three previous Turtles films, is not reported to be involved in the CGI version.

from:
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/art-m.../03/13.00.film

This is interesting as well:

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (TV): Acclaimed author Peter David indicated on his website that Dreamwave has approached him about doing a new series to tie in with the new animated TV show.

from:
http://www.darkhorizons.com/news03/030127.php

Also on darkhorizons about TMNT4:

October 4, 2001
Dark Horizons has posted a report where David Kane did a UK fanzine interview with comic creator Brendon McCarthy and he had this to say about the shelled amphibians.

"I was able to find out that he has just finished work designing a look for a new live-action "NINJA TURTLES" movie, planned for release even if there is a John Woo CGI feature! He said that he had also written the storyline with his original collaborator on the first Turtle movie, the director Steve Barron. He wouldn't say anything about the movie's plot, but suggested that it was a fairly "adult" treatment of the characters.

Then there is:
Laird:
"And we're also working with Hallmark Entertainment to develop a two-part, live-action TV movie. I think the plan for that is, if everything goes well, to get that out next year sometime, probably in the first half of 2004."

from:
http://www.comics2film.com/ProjectFrame.php?f_id=167

So there is a lot of interesting stuff. A few of these articles are several years old but there are some more recent ones as well.

*Tetsu Deinonychus* · 02-22-2004, 06:01 PM

MY TMNT MOVIE WISH LIST

Start from scratch

Based on Mirage

Live-action (with or without CGI) or Cel-Animated

All red masks

Brigette Lin as Karai

Enough Said

BTW why does everyone hate CGI so much. I mean the Hulk looked stupid, but that doesn't mean the Turtles would.

I like both CGI AND animitronics. Whatever is needed to get the job done.

Meeko · 02-22-2004, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TetsuDeinonychus

MY TMNT MOVIE WISH LIST

Start from scratch

Based on Mirage

Live-action (with or without CGI) or Cel-Animated

All red masks

Brigette Lin as Karai

Enough Said

BTW why does everyone hate CGI so much. I mean the Hulk looked stupid, but that doesn't mean the Turtles would.

I like both CGI AND animitronics. Whatever is needed to get the job done.

I would like to see most of what he said

*Tetsu Deinonychus* · 02-22-2004, 07:09 PM

I don't understand what you are asking for.

Hyper Metal Sonic · 02-22-2004, 07:09 PM

I'd prefer anamatronics. It just "feels" more real that CGI ever will. Most of the time, no matter how hard they try, you can still just "sense" that it's CGI.

*Tetsu Deinonychus* · 02-22-2004, 07:14 PM

Well, I think the best effects have always used them both.

Like Jurassic park, and the Flintstones movie

for example.

MW8979 · 02-22-2004, 07:31 PM

You can't "sense" CGI. The only reason why you'd say that is either because you know the movie contains it or because the characters are so unrealistic and cartoony, just by looking at them you can tell it's not a costume, because a costume of that size/shape/whatever couldn't move as smoothly as CGI. I don't think there's anything wrong with it really, it's getting better all the time. Eventually it'll be so good that nobody will notice any difference between reality and computer generated images....it'll be like the matrix....

Meeko · 02-22-2004, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TetsuDeinonychus

I don't understand what you are asking for.

i was agreeing wit you The stuff you said i would like to see in a new TMNT Movie

~~Jarrah White~~ · 02-22-2004, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TetsuDeinonychus

BTW why does everyone hate CGI so much.

Because it rarely looks good. When I first watched Die Another Day and the bit where Bond surfs the giant pressure wave came on, I thought I was watching ingame footage of Nightfire!

Jurassic Park had the only decent CGI.

*Tetsu Deinonychus* · 02-22-2004, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MeekoAngelo

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Originally Posted by TetsuDeinonychus

I don't understand what you are asking for.

i was agreeing wit you The stuff you said i would like to see in a new TMNT Movie

Cool!

MyPetMonster · 02-24-2004, 10:06 AM

I agree with those who say no CGI.You wouldn't need CGI to create a living brain.An animatronic puppet would work fine and be more realistic.
And I can't speak for others,but I'll tell you why I hate CGI.I grew up watching movies like ET,Gremlins,Harry And The Hendersons,Short Circuit,Batteries Not Included and of course Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.All great films with believable creatures.They didn't have complex computer animation back then,so they actually had to build creatures from scratch.And the beauty of watching a creature film is that the being you're seeing actually exists in some form.That someone took the time to design and build said creature.Computer animation has become a visual effects crutch.It's not even a very good crutch as most CGI characters aren't near as believable as their animatronic counterparts.
Let's use Star Wars as an example,the Ewoks and Jar Jar in particular.The Ewoks' faces didn't really move,there was not any complex mechanics there,just a suit and little more.And yet they were still more believable than Jar Jar.That is simply because the Ewok costumes actually exist.They were there giving the actors something to play off.Not only that,the costumed actors' movements and actions were realistic,because there was no need to plot and plan how a real creature would move and then attempt to program into a computer.They moved like a real creature because they were being controlled by a real creature.Jar Jar in contrast moved like a cartoon character.A $30 Furby is more realistic than the umpteen million dollar Jar Jar.
Or take Yoda.Nobody thought he looked particularly fake in Empire,he was a very believable character.But in Attack of the Clones,he was turned into Sonic The Hedgehog.The Battle with Dooku was cool once you got past the fact they were ripping off Sega.CGI characters just have no soul.

**Barkworm** · 02-24-2004, 10:18 AM

I'd like to see an animated movie based on the new cartoon like "Batman: Mask of the Phantasm". It could even be a direct DVD-release.

**Karpo_007** · 02-24-2004, 11:30 AM

About the CGI thing, yes you can definetly see what is CGI and what is not in a live action movie. Same thing with traditional animation, Drawn characters on live action film are not bind to the laws of physics, the animators try to simulate it.

But I like the idea the Hallmark project had, combining CGI and live action. Actors in costumes for the most part, but CGI in facial detail and some stunts. That would probably work very well.

PS.

A little late, but it has been a habit of mine to post this in every Live action Krang thread, here's my pick for the part.

View Poll Results: TMNT4 should be based on...
TMNT4 should take off where the movies/NM left off.	7	17.95%
It should be based on the new cartoon.	8	20.51%
None, a completely new film all together.	24	61.54%
Voters: 39. You may not vote on this poll

02-18-2004, 06:28 AM	#25
Wes Mad Scientist Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: A very scary place. With crayons! Posts: 1,607	Zarius: Well, your post did give me that impression. Glad to know that's not the case! As far as the live-action Krang goes, yeah, it'd be some scary crap. Doesn't mean I wouldn't want to see it, but I can totally understand why they wouldn't want to go that route -- you can have a gross little cartoon brain and he can be funny, but stick that thing in a movie where it's oozing around and making wet noises and things get creepy pretty quickly. But if they did decide to do it, I wouldn't want to see a CG Krang -- they'd have to go all-out old school and make a nasty puppet. Anyone remember Boglins? Not even the Hulk can touch 'em, and they were just simple toys. An animatronic puppet would be aaaawesome. And scary. __________________ * Scary-Crayon * Wesoteric * Chew your gum properly, ok? Aaand... Technodrome buy/sell/trade thread here!

02-22-2004, 06:01 PM	#29
Tetsu Deinonychus The Iron Dinosaur Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Studio Snowlion HQ Posts: 3,021	MY TMNT MOVIE WISH LIST Start from scratch Based on Mirage Live-action (with or without CGI) or Cel-Animated All red masks Brigette Lin as Karai Enough Said BTW why does everyone hate CGI so much. I mean the Hulk looked stupid, but that doesn't mean the Turtles would. I like both CGI AND animitronics. Whatever is needed to get the job done. __________________ (Image hosting by Postimage.org) And here's a list of all my old wacky threads!

02-22-2004, 07:09 PM	#31
Tetsu Deinonychus The Iron Dinosaur Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Studio Snowlion HQ Posts: 3,021	I don't understand what you are asking for. __________________ (Image hosting by Postimage.org) And here's a list of all my old wacky threads!

02-22-2004, 07:14 PM	#33
Tetsu Deinonychus The Iron Dinosaur Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Studio Snowlion HQ Posts: 3,021	Well, I think the best effects have always used them both. Like Jurassic park, and the Flintstones movie for example. __________________ (Image hosting by Postimage.org) And here's a list of all my old wacky threads!

02-18-2004, 08:11 AM	#26
MW8979 Hench Mutant Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 431	But if they ever did have Krang in a movie, they would need to make that android body for him too. He just looks more dignified and intimidating with it.

02-18-2004, 08:20 AM	#27
Keroscene Foot Soldier Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 122	If it's to attract any kind of audience, then basing it on a cartoon or having it follow a couple of sequels most moviegoers have forgotten isn't an option. But I'm kinda nervous about the prospects of a fourth film anyway... new films tend to use CGI all over the place and I hate when films look like they've been done on someone's Atari.

02-18-2004, 12:58 PM	#28
Orochi Chimera Mad Scientist Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,289	In the last few years, I read a lot of articles saying that there was a new CGI TMNT movie coming out and that John Woo was going to direct it. That didn't work out. February 12, 2003 Laird: "Mirage Studios last year signed a deal with a company called Digital Rim. It was an option deal to co-develop a live action or CGI movie. John Woo is a partner in Digital Rim. The press release went out that said what I just said. People picked up on it ands translated that to mean that John Woo is going to direct a Turtles movie. That was never true. We hoped he would be involved and I think he even released something that said he was interested. That option is now expired, anyway. Ain't It Cool just blew up with all these funny posts excited about John Woo directing it." from: http://www.cinecon.com/news.php?id=0302126 Which turns out to be really interesting since he actually talked about it in an interview along with a TMNT TV series. 3-June-02 Director/producer John Woo told SCI FI Wire that his proposed Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie would use computer animation instead of animatronic puppets, as did the 1990s series of live-action movies based on the comic franchise. Woo will produce the proposed new film and a television series based on it. "We're still planning," Woo said in an interview. "I [will] work on this project as a producer with my partner, Terence Chang, as co-producer. The other companies [Digital Rim Entertainment and Mirage Studios] wanted to start with television first and then make a movie. Now we're starting with a story." Woo said that computer animation would give Turtles a different feel from the previous film versions. "CGI can create more interesting techniques," he said. "It's also good for designing some of the crazy action. On the other hand, we want to be closer to the original [comic book], try to make it more moody and darker. CGI can create that kind of mood." New Line Cinema, producers of the three previous Turtles films, is not reported to be involved in the CGI version. from: http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/art-m.../03/13.00.film This is interesting as well: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (TV): Acclaimed author Peter David indicated on his website that Dreamwave has approached him about doing a new series to tie in with the new animated TV show. from: http://www.darkhorizons.com/news03/030127.php Also on darkhorizons about TMNT4: October 4, 2001 Dark Horizons has posted a report where David Kane did a UK fanzine interview with comic creator Brendon McCarthy and he had this to say about the shelled amphibians. "I was able to find out that he has just finished work designing a look for a new live-action "NINJA TURTLES" movie, planned for release even if there is a John Woo CGI feature! He said that he had also written the storyline with his original collaborator on the first Turtle movie, the director Steve Barron. He wouldn't say anything about the movie's plot, but suggested that it was a fairly "adult" treatment of the characters. Then there is: Laird: "And we're also working with Hallmark Entertainment to develop a two-part, live-action TV movie. I think the plan for that is, if everything goes well, to get that out next year sometime, probably in the first half of 2004." from: http://www.comics2film.com/ProjectFrame.php?f_id=167 So there is a lot of interesting stuff. A few of these articles are several years old but there are some more recent ones as well.

02-22-2004, 07:09 PM	#32
Hyper Metal Sonic Stone Warrior Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Southeastern Louisiana Posts: 786	I'd prefer anamatronics. It just "feels" more real that CGI ever will. Most of the time, no matter how hard they try, you can still just "sense" that it's CGI.

02-22-2004, 07:31 PM	#34
MW8979 Hench Mutant Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 431	You can't "sense" CGI. The only reason why you'd say that is either because you know the movie contains it or because the characters are so unrealistic and cartoony, just by looking at them you can tell it's not a costume, because a costume of that size/shape/whatever couldn't move as smoothly as CGI. I don't think there's anything wrong with it really, it's getting better all the time. Eventually it'll be so good that nobody will notice any difference between reality and computer generated images....it'll be like the matrix....

02-24-2004, 10:06 AM	#38
MyPetMonster Mouser Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 7	I agree with those who say no CGI.You wouldn't need CGI to create a living brain.An animatronic puppet would work fine and be more realistic. And I can't speak for others,but I'll tell you why I hate CGI.I grew up watching movies like ET,Gremlins,Harry And The Hendersons,Short Circuit,Batteries Not Included and of course Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.All great films with believable creatures.They didn't have complex computer animation back then,so they actually had to build creatures from scratch.And the beauty of watching a creature film is that the being you're seeing actually exists in some form.That someone took the time to design and build said creature.Computer animation has become a visual effects crutch.It's not even a very good crutch as most CGI characters aren't near as believable as their animatronic counterparts. Let's use Star Wars as an example,the Ewoks and Jar Jar in particular.The Ewoks' faces didn't really move,there was not any complex mechanics there,just a suit and little more.And yet they were still more believable than Jar Jar.That is simply because the Ewok costumes actually exist.They were there giving the actors something to play off.Not only that,the costumed actors' movements and actions were realistic,because there was no need to plot and plan how a real creature would move and then attempt to program into a computer.They moved like a real creature because they were being controlled by a real creature.Jar Jar in contrast moved like a cartoon character.A $30 Furby is more realistic than the umpteen million dollar Jar Jar. Or take Yoda.Nobody thought he looked particularly fake in Empire,he was a very believable character.But in Attack of the Clones,he was turned into Sonic The Hedgehog.The Battle with Dooku was cool once you got past the fact they were ripping off Sega.CGI characters just have no soul.

02-24-2004, 10:18 AM	#39
Barkworm Draconian leftist ruler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 6,703	I'd like to see an animated movie based on the new cartoon like "Batman: Mask of the Phantasm". It could even be a direct DVD-release. __________________ Make ****, not kill!

02-24-2004, 11:30 AM	#40
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	About the CGI thing, yes you can definetly see what is CGI and what is not in a live action movie. Same thing with traditional animation, Drawn characters on live action film are not bind to the laws of physics, the animators try to simulate it. But I like the idea the Hallmark project had, combining CGI and live action. Actors in costumes for the most part, but CGI in facial detail and some stunts. That would probably work very well. PS. A little late, but it has been a habit of mine to post this in every Live action Krang thread, here's my pick for the part.