About Spliter in the comics. Spoilers - Page 2

*Zachatello00* · 04-05-2004, 06:58 PM

Here's the thing, Splinter is ...SPLINTER. He can't be dead. Who's next, Leo?

Peanut · 04-05-2004, 07:28 PM

Yes he can be dead and he is.

*tOkKa* · 04-09-2004, 06:22 AM

-->>

..when my pet rat died.. i buried it out back with my pet lizard and gramma..

Straight-Edge · 04-09-2004, 06:59 AM

>>..when my pet rat died.. i buried it out back with my pet lizard and gramma..

>>

Thanks for sharing..

..I'll alert the authorities!

The Big Bad · 04-10-2004, 06:40 AM

I don't think the Rat King's appearance is supposed means anything; he's just there to witness his "son's" death. Didn't he say in "City at War" that he would be there when Splinter died?

You know, when I read my first issue of vol. 4 (my first taste of the Mirage TMNT, BTW), knowing how the series had progressed in real time, was very surprised to see Splinter still alive. When I saw him die, not in battle, not from a heart attack (IMO), but simply from old age in issue #10 I thought it was very appropiate. He was at least 32 by then, an incredible age for a rat, he was done raising his children, and he had avenged Hamato Yoshi. He had lived a long, fulfilling life, and all that was left, IMO, was the dying.

As for the kid's reactions, well, they're for the most part appropiate, methinks. Remember, we don't know how long after issue 11 issue twelve occurs, and the last three issues have taken place during the course of a couple of days. Anyways, the kids have responded. Leo had his period of grief during the funeral. Raph, the emotional one, has gone through anger, has taken to reminiscing a bit, and has started drinking. Don is apparently in denial, although we'll have to see how the "Splinter body parts" subplot plays out. Then there's Mikey, whom we haven't seen any specific reaction from. Then again he's always been the most well-adjusted one of the quarter.

*heretic888* · 04-15-2004, 03:07 PM

My personal opinion is that the "Rat King" was not the ghost of the sociopath that the TMNT killed in Tales of the TMNT, but rather an archetype or construct projected from Splinter's own consciousness.

Eastman and Laird hinted at this in the letter columns of City At War. Look it up if you don't believe me.

Lots and lots of Mirage goodies and tidbits that people don't pick up on. The series certainly has had a lot of layers to it.

*Buslady* · 04-17-2004, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by heretic888

Lots and lots of Mirage goodies and tidbits that people don't pick up on. The series certainly has had a lot of layers to it.

Layers? Like Ogres? hehehe sorry....no like Onions...

kicknz · 04-19-2004, 04:27 PM

I think those that are saying the TMNT had no reaction should re-read the couple of issues following the death. They did have emotional reactions. Also, they all immediately engaged themselves in distractions after the funeral. I'm pretty sure there will be more and future discussions about Splinter in upcoming issues. I think the death was done pretty well because I, for one, don't want to read a whole issue of the TMNT discussing their innermost feelings. I think it can be assumed that sometime between issue 10, which ends with Splinter's death being revealed to the TMNT, and the begninning of issue 11, which begins with the final preparations for Splinter's funeral, there was a lot of grieving and discussion. Luckily, we were spared most of it.

*heretic888* · 04-20-2004, 08:33 AM

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Layers? Like Ogres? hehehe sorry....no like Onions...

Or something like that.

*ZariusTwo* · 04-20-2004, 11:21 AM

Splinter's death was'nt poorly done...it was bloody natrual, simply because he was an icon in the TMNT does'nt mean Laird has to blow him up in some honourable self-sacrifice, this was a great way to kill him off

Both Eastman and Laird have always balanced thier world full of Utroms and Nano-bots and worm Clones with a very real-life enviorment, all the laws of nature still apply to them, and in Splinter's case, the law finally caught up to him.

04-20-2004, 10:48 PM

It hurts knowing that Splinter died. He seemed like he would be around forever... but that's just wishful thinking. I guess the most acceptible way to most of us for him to die would have been in battle with an honourable death... or at least in his sleep. However, like it was stated by others, the way he died was realistic and natural... but it's painful to see him go like that. We'll miss you, Master Splinter.

**Barkworm** · 04-21-2004, 01:53 AM

I really liked the way Splinter died because that's the way people die! He didn't have to give his life for the rescue of his sons or something. Anyone watches soccer? A few months ago that Hungarian player Feher who played for Benfica Lissabon just dropped on the court in the midst of a game and died a few hours later - it was a heart attack. And... my dad died a similar way. Making Splinter die in such a realistic way was a good decision.

04-21-2004, 11:04 AM

Wow. Those where very strong examples. Well said. You're absolutly right. Because of his death being realistic, so down to earth, it made the biggest impact on us... It makes us think... It makes us realize how sudden and unpredictable death is ...even in the world of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

**Barkworm** · 04-21-2004, 01:54 PM

Some people are just not willing to recognize that.

04-21-2004, 02:05 PM

True.............True....................

*Wes* · 04-27-2004, 07:36 AM

Hmm...alright, I looked at Splinter's scans...and I'm not seeing the Rat King! Anyone care to point him out to me?

Btw, Ryo...your avatar rules.

Orochi Chimera · 04-27-2004, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wes

Hmm...alright, I looked at Splinter's scans...and I'm not seeing the Rat King! Anyone care to point him out to me?

Btw, Ryo...your avatar rules.

Right here:

*Wes* · 04-27-2004, 10:42 AM

Thanks! I see him now.

*Drtooth* · 04-28-2004, 09:59 AM

I gotta say, the death was tastefully executed...

poor choice of words....

The death was done very tastefully. When I first heard of him dying (I don't buy comics like I used to... I focus on toys, now) I had a feeling it was pertaining to Splinter's age and health.

I feel this better suits the series than just having some thug come and rip his head off (I'v read this one manga where characters are brutally killed like nothing, and for some reason come back a few issues later... it's crazyness). It's like anyone would deal with the death of a father. It's peaceful and well done. If he were brutally slaughtered, I'd be disgusted.

As for the Turtles, I feel that in these comics, they are much older, and Splinter probably taught them about taking greif in stride, and not letting it cloud their judgements. They are deep down lamenting their father's death, but they're keeping a strong exterior.

05-01-2004, 09:28 PM

Thanks, Wes! I drew it myself.

04-05-2004, 06:58 PM	#21
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04-09-2004, 06:22 AM	#23
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04-15-2004, 03:07 PM	#26
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	hrmmm My personal opinion is that the "Rat King" was not the ghost of the sociopath that the TMNT killed in Tales of the TMNT, but rather an archetype or construct projected from Splinter's own consciousness. Eastman and Laird hinted at this in the letter columns of City At War. Look it up if you don't believe me. Lots and lots of Mirage goodies and tidbits that people don't pick up on. The series certainly has had a lot of layers to it. __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

04-20-2004, 11:21 AM	#30
ZariusTwo Overlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Britain, DINO THUNDER...POWER UP! Posts: 22,488	Splinter's death was'nt poorly done...it was bloody natrual, simply because he was an icon in the TMNT does'nt mean Laird has to blow him up in some honourable self-sacrifice, this was a great way to kill him off Both Eastman and Laird have always balanced thier world full of Utroms and Nano-bots and worm Clones with a very real-life enviorment, all the laws of nature still apply to them, and in Splinter's case, the law finally caught up to him. __________________ Spider-Man: The Rescue Spider-Man: The Galloping Cat Spider-Man: Scarlet Mirror Doctor Who: Child of the Daleks

04-21-2004, 01:53 AM	#32
Barkworm Draconian leftist ruler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 6,755	I really liked the way Splinter died because that's the way people die! He didn't have to give his life for the rescue of his sons or something. Anyone watches soccer? A few months ago that Hungarian player Feher who played for Benfica Lissabon just dropped on the court in the midst of a game and died a few hours later - it was a heart attack. And... my dad died a similar way. Making Splinter die in such a realistic way was a good decision. __________________ Make ****, not kill!

04-05-2004, 07:28 PM	#22
Peanut Second Gear Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The New World Posts: 15,422	Yes he can be dead and he is.

04-09-2004, 06:59 AM	#24
Straight-Edge Foot Soldier Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 139	>>..when my pet rat died.. i buried it out back with my pet lizard and gramma.. >> Thanks for sharing.. ..I'll alert the authorities!

04-10-2004, 06:40 AM	#25
The Big Bad Stone Warrior Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 653	I don't think the Rat King's appearance is supposed means anything; he's just there to witness his "son's" death. Didn't he say in "City at War" that he would be there when Splinter died? You know, when I read my first issue of vol. 4 (my first taste of the Mirage TMNT, BTW), knowing how the series had progressed in real time, was very surprised to see Splinter still alive. When I saw him die, not in battle, not from a heart attack (IMO), but simply from old age in issue #10 I thought it was very appropiate. He was at least 32 by then, an incredible age for a rat, he was done raising his children, and he had avenged Hamato Yoshi. He had lived a long, fulfilling life, and all that was left, IMO, was the dying. As for the kid's reactions, well, they're for the most part appropiate, methinks. Remember, we don't know how long after issue 11 issue twelve occurs, and the last three issues have taken place during the course of a couple of days. Anyways, the kids have responded. Leo had his period of grief during the funeral. Raph, the emotional one, has gone through anger, has taken to reminiscing a bit, and has started drinking. Don is apparently in denial, although we'll have to see how the "Splinter body parts" subplot plays out. Then there's Mikey, whom we haven't seen any specific reaction from. Then again he's always been the most well-adjusted one of the quarter.

04-19-2004, 04:27 PM	#28
kicknz Thug Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 83	I think those that are saying the TMNT had no reaction should re-read the couple of issues following the death. They did have emotional reactions. Also, they all immediately engaged themselves in distractions after the funeral. I'm pretty sure there will be more and future discussions about Splinter in upcoming issues. I think the death was done pretty well because I, for one, don't want to read a whole issue of the TMNT discussing their innermost feelings. I think it can be assumed that sometime between issue 10, which ends with Splinter's death being revealed to the TMNT, and the begninning of issue 11, which begins with the final preparations for Splinter's funeral, there was a lot of grieving and discussion. Luckily, we were spared most of it.

04-20-2004, 10:48 PM	#31
Ryona Guest Posts: n/a	It hurts knowing that Splinter died. He seemed like he would be around forever... but that's just wishful thinking. I guess the most acceptible way to most of us for him to die would have been in battle with an honourable death... or at least in his sleep. However, like it was stated by others, the way he died was realistic and natural... but it's painful to see him go like that. We'll miss you, Master Splinter.

04-21-2004, 11:04 AM	#33
Ryona Guest Posts: n/a	Wow. Those where very strong examples. Well said. You're absolutly right. Because of his death being realistic, so down to earth, it made the biggest impact on us... It makes us think... It makes us realize how sudden and unpredictable death is ...even in the world of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

04-21-2004, 01:54 PM	#34
Barkworm Draconian leftist ruler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 6,755	Some people are just not willing to recognize that. __________________ Make ****, not kill!

04-21-2004, 02:05 PM	#35
Ryona Guest Posts: n/a	True.............True....................

04-27-2004, 07:36 AM	#36
Wes Mad Scientist Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: A very scary place. With crayons! Posts: 1,607	Hmm...alright, I looked at Splinter's scans...and I'm not seeing the Rat King! Anyone care to point him out to me? Btw, Ryo...your avatar rules. __________________ * Scary-Crayon * Wesoteric * Chew your gum properly, ok? Aaand... Technodrome buy/sell/trade thread here!

04-27-2004, 10:42 AM	#38
Wes Mad Scientist Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: A very scary place. With crayons! Posts: 1,607	Thanks! I see him now. __________________ * Scary-Crayon * Wesoteric * Chew your gum properly, ok? Aaand... Technodrome buy/sell/trade thread here!

04-28-2004, 09:59 AM	#39
Drtooth Foot Elite Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 4,439	I gotta say, the death was tastefully executed... poor choice of words.... The death was done very tastefully. When I first heard of him dying (I don't buy comics like I used to... I focus on toys, now) I had a feeling it was pertaining to Splinter's age and health. I feel this better suits the series than just having some thug come and rip his head off (I'v read this one manga where characters are brutally killed like nothing, and for some reason come back a few issues later... it's crazyness). It's like anyone would deal with the death of a father. It's peaceful and well done. If he were brutally slaughtered, I'd be disgusted. As for the Turtles, I feel that in these comics, they are much older, and Splinter probably taught them about taking greif in stride, and not letting it cloud their judgements. They are deep down lamenting their father's death, but they're keeping a strong exterior. __________________ [Insert mildly amusing banner here]

05-01-2004, 09:28 PM	#40
Ryona Guest Posts: n/a	Thanks, Wes! I drew it myself.