WORLD ISSUES - Page 2

**Machias Banshee** · 10-13-2002, 12:09 PM

I dont think Bush's racist, considering the variety of ethnicities he selected for his cabinet...

Maybe, its been a while since i've had a real history class...yeah, it WAS FDR...

Kingkapong · 10-13-2002, 12:22 PM

but the funny thing is, many of the people he selected for cabinent used to work for his father.

**Nturtle** · 10-13-2002, 12:30 PM

yeah that would make sence, FDR was an excellent president.
race is something republicans had to get on board because thats where the votes were going. I never said Bush was a racist, he may have some unconcious bias, but many people do without wanting to. Eisenhower was a racist.

~~Reznorite420~~ · 10-13-2002, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Machias Banshee

Comparing the two, I see Bush as miles ahead better than Clinton

ROFFLE x 40000000000!!!!!!!!!!!!

That was good!!! Please, tell me another one!!!!!

~~Reznorite420~~ · 10-13-2002, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Nturtle

You're green too!!! awesome dude!!!

Actually, I'm kind of a swinger between the Greens and Libertarians.

*Skeletoncrew* · 10-13-2002, 10:49 PM

I voted for Gore as the lesser of two evils...but I believe I'll be voting Green next time.

**Machias Banshee** · 10-13-2002, 11:15 PM

Heh, i'm not even registered to vote yet...

*Skeletoncrew* · 10-13-2002, 11:44 PM

Here in Oregon you have to be registered by the 15th. We also vote by mail here!

10-14-2002, 12:23 AM

Well you want world issues? Two days ago a bomb went off in near a Bali nightclub. And then while people were fleeing another went off. Bali is a very popular place for holidays for Australians. People were killed and a lot were severly hurt

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/National/story_40808.asp

http://www.cnn.com

**Nturtle** · 10-14-2002, 07:03 AM

Yeah, I heard about that

it is most likey terrorism, many terrorist networks dothrive in Indonisia.

Cool SC!! Vote your heart not your fears!!

Libertarian??! yech!!! those guys are idiots!! they want to abolish all taxes and get rid of the government

speedracer · 10-14-2002, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Nturtle

one word: oil

other countries despise the US on forign affairs, we hold many hostage with military might and support dictators to stop dictators who go against America we also exploit them to make clothes and everyday things, thats why they come to America cheap, due to cheap labor.
Bush has investments in Oil same with all the senators and conngressmen who voted for the war. Saddam is cruel and evil, he uses biological and chemical weapons on his people. Weapons we helped him make to attack Iran. But when he invaded Kuwait it compromised our oil intrests there. So Bush the first invaded now Bush the Second wants the oil in Iraq. its all for selfish gain.

Buzz. Try again.

If all Bush cared about was oil, he'd pressure the UN to lift the economic sanctions on Iraq, get Iraq to produce more oil and turn a blind eye to Saddam's human rights abuses in his country instead of pushing for war (sort of like we do with Saudi Arabia). As late as *October 2001*, a lot of oil industry-types were still lobbying for the end of sanctions.

A lot of financial analyst-types think that invading Iraq will *raise* oil prices. OPEC nations could start an embargo or start cutting down production, civil war in Iraq (think about Afghanistan) might break out in areas where the US might want to drill for oil, etc.

Like all universal "truths" about politics (Democratic: government programs will eliminate poverty, AIDS, and all of society's ills; Republican: what's good for business is good for the nation), the leftist credo (governments are corrupt and ruled entirely by corporate interests) is doomed to failure.

~~Reznorite420~~ · 10-14-2002, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Nturtle

Libertarian??! yech!!! those guys are idiots!! they want to abolish all taxes

But...who wants taxes? And I don't think they're anarchists (otherwise they'd be CALLED anarchists). Like I said, I'm a swinger; I don't believe in every value of either party. For instance, the Libertarians want all National Park land to be taken out of the sanction of the government. I don't support that; by making it a National Park, it already IS public land. As for the Greens, I sometimes think they go a bit too far on the whole environmental issue. True, Ralph Nader may be a consumer rights activist, but once in awhile they'll push for too high a standard that in essence takes away freedom while saving lives.

I don't know...he supports the legalization of marijuana (not just for medicinal purposes, I hear), is another activist on homosexual rights, and we have him to thank for seat belts...I think he has a chance.

prowler4 · 10-14-2002, 10:25 AM

Why are so many people dissing Bush here? If we're not hard on these jerks we're gonna be in trouble. This tread is for world issues. Incase you haven't noticed they were planning two other attacks bigger and worse than the twin towers. All I have to say is: Evil started in the middle east and the destruction of the world will begin there by some tyranical jack ass with power! These people need a good kick in the ass!

In the case of Clinton, say wut you want about bush, but at least Bush ain't usein cigars to make the horizontal poka with people!

**Nturtle** · 10-14-2002, 11:40 AM

Oy this may end up as a real long post.

Ok, first off did you know Iraq had medicare, free education and food in 1990?! right before the sanctions, now all thousands of Iraqi CHILDREN have died of lack of food, I find that repulsive and it gets worse. The UN wants to lift sanctions but the US has repeatedly said no, those are children are dying.The point of Iraq is
1.Its election time, the government has spat out so much propaganda that Americans belive its right.
2.Oil, right now we buy Iraqi oil and are stockpiling it in a trade for food, the trick is we don't give any food. but if we invade iraq put in a regime that will support the US like Saddam used to. Then we can just take all the oil we want. The war may flip over the economy, sure, and if oil prices rise then it can be sold for more leading to Bush, Cheney and all the othe r fat cats in his addministration getting rich and the bailing out otherwise screwing over Iraq and the american people. Saddam to the US is like a pet which lost its owners love by peeing on the carpet, now the owner will have it eliminated and get one that will do everything he says until it displeases the owner.

Ok now for the libertarian stuff. The basic policy of libertarians is no taxes and no government programs. No taxes would lead us into so much debt that there would need to be so much tax to get us out you would leavve the country. no programs includes enviromental, health and everything else, like the Republicans eliminating big government but to an outragous extreme. And putting buisnesses up to run th government instead. The environment is going down the tubes and fast, we are polluting the world and destroying a very beautiful land, there needs to be action on this now, or it will never happen. Nader is incredible he is deffinitly someone I look up to and would of voted for if I was not too small. I can't say leagelized Marijuana is a great idea though. Meddically yes, but even people who say it is not addictive and causes no harm don't know, they maybe deffending thier own addiction, I've seen people who are addicted it takes its toll on you and your brain severely.

And for Prowler, read Harpers magazine and some forign journals, the "free" press here is just propaganda these days.

~~Reznorite420~~ · 10-14-2002, 12:51 PM

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**Nturtle** · 10-14-2002, 01:12 PM

what happened?

speedracer · 10-14-2002, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Nturtle

Oy this may end up as a real long post.

Ok, first off did you know Iraq had medicare, free education and food in 1990?! right before the sanctions,

Uh, I did know that Iraq was a very prosperous country in 1990.

Did you know that Iraq is essentially a police state?

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Originally Posted by Nturtle

now all thousands of Iraqi CHILDREN have died of lack of food, I find that repulsive and it gets worse. The UN wants to lift sanctions but the US has repeatedly said no, those are children are dying.

Kurdish-controlled areas in Northern Iraq live under the same economic sanctions as the rest of the country, but people who live there are relatively well off.

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Originally Posted by Nturtle

1.Its election time, the government has spat out so much propaganda that Americans belive its right.

If Bush were advancing the war for political gain, then doing so *before* the elections makes no sense, as it could very well lead to masses of disgruntled voters putting a bunch of Democrats in Congress. It would have made far more sense for Bush to spend all his time campaigning for Republicans to win back the Senate and House of Representatives, *then* declare war on Iraq.

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Originally Posted by Nturtle

2.Oil, right now we buy Iraqi oil and are stockpiling it in a trade for food, the trick is we don't give any food.

Would you care to explain exactly how the US is cheating Iraq in the *UN*-administered oil-for-food program?

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Originally Posted by Nturtle

but if we invade iraq put in a regime that will support the US like Saddam used to. Then we can just take all the oil we want. The war may flip over the economy, sure, and if oil prices rise then it can be sold for more leading to Bush, Cheney and all the othe r fat cats in his addministration getting rich and the bailing out otherwise screwing over Iraq and the american people.

First you say that toppling Saddam and installing a puppet regime will lead to cheap oil and profits for the oil-stained Bush administration, but then you say that the war will lead to increased oil prices and profits for the oil-stained Bush administration. You can't have it both ways.

*Nickokapo* · 10-17-2002, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Nturtle

ugh.... lets go find Carter and put him back in office

That's pretty funny

Um...that is...unless you're talking about another carter

besides that, i dont know much about politics and war and stuff...so i'll pass in posting my opinion

10-13-2002, 12:22 PM	#22
Kingkapong Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2002 Location: T.O. Canada Posts: 548	but the funny thing is, many of the people he selected for cabinent used to work for his father. __________________ Go leafs go!

10-13-2002, 12:30 PM	#23
Nturtle Ninja Master Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Technodrome Airducts Posts: 5,215	yeah that would make sence, FDR was an excellent president. race is something republicans had to get on board because thats where the votes were going. I never said Bush was a racist, he may have some unconcious bias, but many people do without wanting to. Eisenhower was a racist. __________________ Fil rules. If Fil takes your 5 bucks then you should be eternally grateful that Fil would even borrow your money. Fil.

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10-13-2002, 11:44 PM	#28
Skeletoncrew Foot Elite Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Bearing in on your spicy brains Posts: 3,275	Here in Oregon you have to be registered by the 15th. We also vote by mail here! __________________ Adult TMNT fan art and fiction contest Now accepting entries!

10-14-2002, 07:03 AM	#30
Nturtle Ninja Master Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Technodrome Airducts Posts: 5,215	Yeah, I heard about that it is most likey terrorism, many terrorist networks dothrive in Indonisia. Cool SC!! Vote your heart not your fears!! Libertarian??! yech!!! those guys are idiots!! they want to abolish all taxes and get rid of the government __________________ Fil rules. If Fil takes your 5 bucks then you should be eternally grateful that Fil would even borrow your money. Fil.

10-13-2002, 12:09 PM	#21
Machias Banshee Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 17,163	I dont think Bush's racist, considering the variety of ethnicities he selected for his cabinet... Maybe, its been a while since i've had a real history class...yeah, it WAS FDR...

10-13-2002, 11:15 PM	#27
Machias Banshee Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 17,163	Heh, i'm not even registered to vote yet...

10-14-2002, 12:23 AM	#29
Anonymous Guest Posts: n/a	Well you want world issues? Two days ago a bomb went off in near a Bali nightclub. And then while people were fleeing another went off. Bali is a very popular place for holidays for Australians. People were killed and a lot were severly hurt http://news.ninemsn.com.au/National/story_40808.asp http://www.cnn.com

10-14-2002, 10:25 AM	#33
prowler4 Hench Mutant Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 297	Why are so many people dissing Bush here? If we're not hard on these jerks we're gonna be in trouble. This tread is for world issues. Incase you haven't noticed they were planning two other attacks bigger and worse than the twin towers. All I have to say is: Evil started in the middle east and the destruction of the world will begin there by some tyranical jack ass with power! These people need a good kick in the ass! In the case of Clinton, say wut you want about bush, but at least Bush ain't usein cigars to make the horizontal poka with people! __________________ GO GREEN MACHINE!

10-14-2002, 11:40 AM	#34
Nturtle Ninja Master Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Technodrome Airducts Posts: 5,215	Oy this may end up as a real long post. Ok, first off did you know Iraq had medicare, free education and food in 1990?! right before the sanctions, now all thousands of Iraqi CHILDREN have died of lack of food, I find that repulsive and it gets worse. The UN wants to lift sanctions but the US has repeatedly said no, those are children are dying.The point of Iraq is 1.Its election time, the government has spat out so much propaganda that Americans belive its right. 2.Oil, right now we buy Iraqi oil and are stockpiling it in a trade for food, the trick is we don't give any food. but if we invade iraq put in a regime that will support the US like Saddam used to. Then we can just take all the oil we want. The war may flip over the economy, sure, and if oil prices rise then it can be sold for more leading to Bush, Cheney and all the othe r fat cats in his addministration getting rich and the bailing out otherwise screwing over Iraq and the american people. Saddam to the US is like a pet which lost its owners love by peeing on the carpet, now the owner will have it eliminated and get one that will do everything he says until it displeases the owner. Ok now for the libertarian stuff. The basic policy of libertarians is no taxes and no government programs. No taxes would lead us into so much debt that there would need to be so much tax to get us out you would leavve the country. no programs includes enviromental, health and everything else, like the Republicans eliminating big government but to an outragous extreme. And putting buisnesses up to run th government instead. The environment is going down the tubes and fast, we are polluting the world and destroying a very beautiful land, there needs to be action on this now, or it will never happen. Nader is incredible he is deffinitly someone I look up to and would of voted for if I was not too small. I can't say leagelized Marijuana is a great idea though. Meddically yes, but even people who say it is not addictive and causes no harm don't know, they maybe deffending thier own addiction, I've seen people who are addicted it takes its toll on you and your brain severely. And for Prowler, read Harpers magazine and some forign journals, the "free" press here is just propaganda these days. __________________ Fil rules. If Fil takes your 5 bucks then you should be eternally grateful that Fil would even borrow your money. Fil.

10-14-2002, 12:51 PM	#35
~~Reznorite420~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 3,851	EDIT:....all that text...gone....

10-14-2002, 01:12 PM	#36
Nturtle Ninja Master Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Technodrome Airducts Posts: 5,215	what happened? __________________ Fil rules. If Fil takes your 5 bucks then you should be eternally grateful that Fil would even borrow your money. Fil.