Official Episode Discussion S2 #22 "Vengeance is Mine" - Page 20

*pennydreadful* · 07-05-2014, 12:18 PM

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Anyway..... Did anyone else get a little sad when Splinter picked up Mutated Karai and said "Miwa......My child." I hadn't felt that sad watching something TMNT related since SAINW, even though noone died in VIM and everyone dying in SAINW is what made it sad.

You're not the only one - that bit caught me right in the feels! Also, confession time here - as great as SAINW is, it's my least-watched episode/an episode I skip a lot unless I'm in the right state of mind for it, because it's such an emotional kick in the balls for me.

I know, I'm so feeble.

*Refractive Reflections* · 07-05-2014, 12:54 PM

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Speaking of dying, I wonder if they are ever gonna kill anyone in this show. If they do, it will have to be offscreen. Avatar The Last Airbender, another Nick cartoon action show that also was rated TVY7 got away with killing people, but they all died offscreen. Maybe they could kill off a villain by having them fall off a building or a building collapses on them... I dunno.

Wasn't Dr. Falco/Rat King killed off when Splinter moved aside while on a cliff as the Rat King tried to swat Splinter, and fell off the cliff in the ending of "Of Rats and Men"? ...And therefore assumed to be dead?

*Vicky82* · 07-05-2014, 01:17 PM

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Anyway..... Did anyone else get a little sad when Splinter picked up Mutated Karai and said "Miwa......My child." I hadn't felt that sad watching something TMNT related since SAINW, even though noone died in VIM and everyone dying in SAINW is what made it sad.

Yeah I did, I actually had tears in my eyes.

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Wasn't Dr. Falco/Rat King killed off when Splinter moved aside while on a cliff as the Rat King tried to swat Splinter, and fell off the cliff in the ending of "Of Rats and Men"? ...And therefore assumed to be dead?

I think he's alive and he survived his fall, maybe his rats saved him. I doubt that could kill him off that quickly as he's only been the Rat King for 2 episodes (3, if you count Monkey Brains). I expect he will be back in season 3.

*Refractive Reflections* · 07-05-2014, 01:20 PM

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I think he's alive and he survived his fall, maybe his rats saved him. I doubt that could kill him off that quickly as he's only been the Rat King for 2 episodes (3, if you count Monkey Brains). I expect he will be back in season 3.

Yeah, he could be alive. **shrug** I guess typically when characters die off in cartoons for children, they use the falling off the cliff scene (into a bottomless pit) to imply that, but you never know.

*Vicky82* · 07-05-2014, 01:35 PM

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Yeah, he could be alive. **shrug** I guess typically when characters die off in cartoons for children, they use the falling off the cliff scene (into a bottomless pit) to imply that, but you never know.

Yeah, they killed a few characters in Gargoyles by having them fall off a cliff/building. It also had a high death toll too as a lot of Gargoyles in stone were smashed and also in the 4 part episode City of Stone, where every human in New York turned to stone and then Demona smashed up some of them.

If they do kill someone off in TMNT, it have to be done off screen. I wonder who could be killed off if they go down that route, (maybe ICK or Kirby). I do wonder that when Karai was put in that metal casket, it could be foreshadowing a death (not Karai) is going to happen soon.

*Foombamaroom* · 07-05-2014, 01:40 PM

I hope that Rat King isn't dead. He's a great villain. I think they're under-using him in this show, but they're not giving him that great of plots besides take over the mind of Splinter, so I can see why they aren't using him. Plus, he doesn't contribute to the story that much.

*victory_angel* · 07-05-2014, 02:10 PM

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Yeah, they killed a few characters in Gargoyles by having them fall off a cliff/building. It also had a high death toll too as a lot of Gargoyles in stone were smashed and also in the 4 part episode City of Stone, where every human in New York turned to stone and then Demona smashed up some of them.

If they do kill someone off in TMNT, it have to be done off screen. I wonder who could be killed off if they go down that route, (maybe ICK or Kirby). I do wonder that when Karai was put in that metal casket, it could be foreshadowing a death (not Karai) is going to happen soon.

Maybe not a physical death as but a proverbial death of a character. Kinda like how they were saying that when Donnie had that second mutation in the 2k3 they were saying that he was losing his mind in that form, but they were also implying that he would die in that form if something wasn't done.

MCLeo28 · 07-05-2014, 03:07 PM

I doubt the Rat King is dead. Nick made it obvious in "The Wrath of Tiger Claw" when Mikey said, "We're forgetting something, something the fate of the world can depend on," and Raphael responded with, "The Rat King?" To me, it foreshadowed the Rat King's return.

*Foombamaroom* · 07-05-2014, 04:44 PM

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I doubt the Rat King is dead. Nick made it obvious in "The Wrath of Tiger Claw" when Mikey said, "We're forgetting something, something the fate of the world can depend on," and Raphael responded with, "The Rat King?" To me, it foreshadowed the Rat King's return.

Hmmm. That's a good point. Hopefully he's still alive so he can return in season 3.

*BubblyShell22* · 07-06-2014, 07:51 AM

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You were sporting an eye patch, Bubbly? Boss! Sorry, I just think they're cool.

Just now getting around to posting my thoughts pertaining to this episode because of exam stuff. I loved it, of course. There hasn't been much of a chance for me to re-watch it yet but once things settle down, I'm certainly planning on it. I love all the Fot/Shredder/Karai stuff, so I was glued to the screen from the first scene. Well, we all saw the Karai mutation bit coming, but it was still sad. I love the idea of her being a sort of shapeshifter. Guess we'll have to wait and see if she'll be able to act rationally in her more humanoid form. Also great to know that Baxter is still able to speak. Like I said in the Kabuto thread, chalk it up to him being extremely depressed about the whole mutation thing now and then. Great episode and looking forward to the final 4 of season 2.

Yeah, I was wearing an eye patch because I had my retina surgery the day before the episode aired. It sucked though because I couldn't see anything so I didn't know what was going on. Good thing they replayed the episode the next week.

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Pre-emptive Tiger Claw cosplay?

Nope. Just standard retina surgery to fix a retinal detachment in my good eye. Wasn't fun not to see anything though. I hated it. But that does sound funny now that you think about it. Would have been hilarious if it had happened this year instead of in 2003.

*Foombamaroom* · 07-06-2014, 11:34 AM

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Yeah, I was wearing an eye patch because I had my retina surgery the day before the episode aired. It sucked though because I couldn't see anything so I didn't know what was going on. Good thing they replayed the episode the next week.

Nope. Just standard retina surgery to fix a retinal detachment in my good eye. Wasn't fun not to see anything though. I hated it. But that does sound funny now that you think about it. Would have been hilarious if it had happened this year instead of in 2003.

I remember they took a break after that episode and the cliffhanger was absolute HELL.

*DVD* · 07-06-2014, 12:24 PM

For a cartoon, this was a seriously emotionally charged episode .
The hug scene was so, real.
Brilliant episode.

*Panda_Kahn_fan* · 07-06-2014, 12:34 PM

hOLY FRACK THEY TURNED kARAI INTO sCALE tAIL!

Still I didn't think I'd like it if they mutated her, buuut I think they handled it really well!

*BubblyShell22* · 07-06-2014, 04:06 PM

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I remember they took a break after that episode and the cliffhanger was absolute HELL.

Yeah, even though we all knew the Turtles would survive and all.

*Foombamaroom* · 07-06-2014, 05:35 PM

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Yeah, even though we all knew the Turtles would survive and all.

Still, it was just "Wait, what's going to happen next?!?!" kind of like this series.

*Candy Kappa* · 07-06-2014, 05:41 PM

This episode was intense, and very emotionally charged. And I really liked how Mikey handled himself in this episode, he was comedic, but comedic for a big reason: annoying Bradford and Xever.

Great to know more back story between Splinter and Shredder, and with what happened to Karai was really well done even though I don't care a whole lot of her new King Hsss make-over.

rickwj324 · 07-06-2014, 05:49 PM

So, I know it's a cartoon and all, but does it bother anyone that when Karai mutates back she's wearing her human outfit? Haha. I know lots of other cartoons do things like this (such as Hulk ripping out of clothes, etc) but it's still a little silly...

Werecat · 07-06-2014, 06:05 PM

I am surprised none of you mentioned How to Train Your Dragon, a critically acclaimed animation meant for all ages, managed to get away with character dismemberment and character death.

*BubblyShell22* · 07-07-2014, 07:09 AM

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Still, it was just "Wait, what's going to happen next?!?!" kind of like this series.

Yeah, I know, but that's the way it goes sometimes. We'll get through it.

*pennydreadful* · 07-07-2014, 07:37 PM

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So, I know it's a cartoon and all, but does it bother anyone that when Karai mutates back she's wearing her human outfit? Haha. I know lots of other cartoons do things like this (such as Hulk ripping out of clothes, etc) but it's still a little silly...

It doesn't bother me per se, but I totally was thinking about it after the episode. I was like... "So does this mean that she has mutant clothes if they can shapeshift with her?"

I have waaaay too many thoughts sometimes.

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Say welcome to KobraKarai!	35	33.65%
Father Daughter hug at last!!	44	42.31%
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07-06-2014, 12:34 PM	#393
Panda_Kahn_fan Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,715	hOLY FRACK THEY TURNED kARAI INTO sCALE tAIL! Still I didn't think I'd like it if they mutated her, buuut I think they handled it really well! __________________ My TMNT fanfic: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/1266176...n-a-Half-Shell IDW is the best version of TMNT If they make a TMNT reboot movie retelling the shredder battle/origin, I won't buy a ticket.

07-06-2014, 05:41 PM	#396
Candy Kappa The Agenda of Existing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Vikingland Posts: 14,596	This episode was intense, and very emotionally charged. And I really liked how Mikey handled himself in this episode, he was comedic, but comedic for a big reason: annoying Bradford and Xever. Great to know more back story between Splinter and Shredder, and with what happened to Karai was really well done even though I don't care a whole lot of her new King Hsss make-over. __________________ devianArt Instagram Youtube Tumblr Art Blog Patreon

07-05-2014, 01:40 PM	#386
Foombamaroom Lord of Cinder Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 1,646	I hope that Rat King isn't dead. He's a great villain. I think they're under-using him in this show, but they're not giving him that great of plots besides take over the mind of Splinter, so I can see why they aren't using him. Plus, he doesn't contribute to the story that much.

07-05-2014, 03:07 PM	#388
MCLeo28 Hench Mutant Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 313	I doubt the Rat King is dead. Nick made it obvious in "The Wrath of Tiger Claw" when Mikey said, "We're forgetting something, something the fate of the world can depend on," and Raphael responded with, "The Rat King?" To me, it foreshadowed the Rat King's return.

07-06-2014, 12:24 PM	#392
DVD Mad Scientist Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Shanghai Posts: 2,066	For a cartoon, this was a seriously emotionally charged episode . The hug scene was so, real. Brilliant episode.

07-06-2014, 05:49 PM	#397
rickwj324 Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 1,019	So, I know it's a cartoon and all, but does it bother anyone that when Karai mutates back she's wearing her human outfit? Haha. I know lots of other cartoons do things like this (such as Hulk ripping out of clothes, etc) but it's still a little silly...

07-06-2014, 06:05 PM	#398
Werecat Hench Mutant Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Canada Posts: 266	I am surprised none of you mentioned How to Train Your Dragon, a critically acclaimed animation meant for all ages, managed to get away with character dismemberment and character death.