Indiana Jones 5 Announced For 2019

[Sumac]

I admit I haven't watched the movie yet, and don't plan to do it in cinema anyway, but from the outside it looks like another dumb**** deconstruction - turning successful and adventurous man into a shadow of his former self, outshined by an AMAZING female character.

KK certainly a petty bitch.
It takes some unprecentend level of pettiness to aim to supplant legacy of your predecessor with your ****.

[ssjup81]

As an Indiana Jones fan, finding out what Kennedy did in regard to this film, it makes my head hurt more than the fall I took last week that's keeping me out from work this week. Geez. Why do they keep letting this woman work on these franchises?! Say what you will about the last Indy film that didn't need to be made and should have been done in the 90s (I know it was planned...but we got that Young Indy show conceptualization), but it had its moments and the ending was actually nice. I know I hate to judge things without seeing it for myself, but there's a track record here. What's up with her obsession with washed up old men feeling sorry for themselves and having Girl Power protagonist jump in? By the sounds of it, there's nothing even remotely Indy about Indy for this film and of course, CGI galore. Screw those practical effects.

You know, I forgot who said it, but it feels like a self-insert fanfiction Kathleen wrote. Oh well...

In my mind, the only Indiana Jones is the original trilogy which had a good wrapped up ending. I mean, they LITERALLY rode off into the sunset together! Want to watch in order, 2, 1, 3. That's how I feel about it anyway. I'm in the mood to watch the original trilogy now. Movie 3 was always my favorite of them.

[biganimefan]

I decided to see this movie after all. Especially once the real deal breaker "spoiler" from months ago was confirmed not to be a thing. My ranking of the movies (worst to best)

Kingdom of the Crystal Skull
Temple of Doom
Dial of Destiny
Raiders of the Lost Ark
The Last Crusade

This did feel like an Indiana Jones movie to me. And the Time Travel aspect was handled far better than the alien one from the previous movie. "Indy" did feel like himself and he did feel his age weighed down with grief. The goddaughter and her companion both were insufferable and badly written. As far as "woke-ness" is concerned, those characters don't get any points in either direction. Again, badly written and nothing to like about them.

And I completely understand and respect Indy's desire to stay in the past. History and Archeology are his lifelong passions in every sense.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Sumac

I admit I haven't watched the movie yet, and don't plan to do it in cinema anyway, but from the outside it looks like another dumb**** deconstruction - turning successful and adventurous man into a shadow of his former self, outshined by an AMAZING female character.

KK certainly a petty bitch.
It takes some unprecentend level of pettiness to aim to supplant legacy of your predecessor with your ****.

It's too bad Spielberg wasn't around for this one. He probably would have been able to shield the movie from KK's influence, at least.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by sdp

Spielberg definitely has enough clout to do as he pleases, but wasn't that the reason they got rid of him?

He was never "gotten rid of." He walked away quietly between the many stories over the years of new scripts being worked on. Whether that's because of his vow to not CGI de-age Ford, a scheduling thing, or because of KK's agenda, we'll never know.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

This movie...this movie is tanking on a level even I didn't think was possible. Things or going to happen as a result of this- BIG things. We'll just have to wait and see how bad it gets for lucasfilm.

[TheCanadiandrome]

I saw it last night and I enjoyed it better than “Kingdom Crystal Skull” or whatever it was called. Granted there was some plot holes and things that didn’t make sense, but hell that’s been very Indiana Jones movie

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

This movie...this movie is tanking on a level even I didn't think was possible. Things or going to happen as a result of this- BIG things. We'll just have to wait and see how bad it gets for lucasfilm.

If after this movie KK and her cronies won't be kicked out of Lucasarts / Disney I don't know what else should happen to make it reality.

Also, I would be wholly convinced KK has a wall of incriminating evidence towards all her bosses. Or she gives Ocars-worthy blowjobs.

[Andrew NDB]

Some alternative titles I'm seeing that make me snicker (sadly):

Indiana Jones and the Destruction of Legacy

Indiana Jones and the Obnoxious Girl Boss

[Sabacooza]

Originally Posted by Sumac

If after this movie KK and her cronies won't be kicked out of Lucasarts / Disney I don't know what else should happen to make it reality.

Also, I would be wholly convinced KK has a wall of incriminating evidence towards all her bosses. Or she gives Ocars-worthy blowjobs.

Her email account at Lucasfilm has been deactivated. Her and her husband Frank Marshall were also snubbed by Spielberg and everyone else at the Indy 5 premiere. I believe her staying power is gone.

[Roseangelo]

Ended up seeing it on Monday night. It was fine.

I rewatched 1–3 over the weekend, and will get to 4 soon-ish. Compared to the other three, there was nothing terrible here. But yes, the ending could have been better.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by sdp

It's for the best that this movie is bombing even if you like the movie and it isn't that bad. Had it done well it would mean more Indiana Jones without Harrison Ford and no one wants that. It would also send a signal to Disney that things are going "fine" with the way things are currently run. So if this helps them panic along their other failed movies it's only great for us.

Failure of Rise of Palpatine's Granddaughter didn't stop Dinsey from making more Star Wars movies. But one can hope.

Originally Posted by sdp

Also Disney will never admit KK did anything wrong at least in the official record, because of her age she'll just "retire" because it's her time not for any other "reasons". I think that should happen soon but I mean don't believe the random youtuber, she might stay there a few more years and any project that doesn't bomb will only keep her there. Disney will do anything to save face.

At some point they need to face reality that KK produced almost nothing, but failures and ruined some of the biggest franchises on the planet. Of course, it is not exclusively only her fault (hi, Ruin Johnson!) and she has some moderate successes under her belt, like Mandalorian and Andor...but still, when your corporation has the biggest media franchise in the world and makes a billion instead of 2 billions, it is time to think that maybe people responsible for its newest installments are at fault.

[Andrew NDB]

The more I think about KK the more upsetting it all is.

Star Wars? KK's sequel trilogy destroyed.

Indiana Jones? Part 5 was co-opted and destroyed by KK agenda.

Willow? Rendered radioactive as an IP after the KK-led Disney+ series.

And the list goes on and on. And there's not really any going back on any of this... the damage is done. We can't, like, un-get the Star Wars sequel trilogy. Harrison Ford isn't coming back to try it again. No one is going to throw more money at a Willow production ever again.

[ssjup81]

Originally Posted by sdp

It's for the best that this movie is bombing even if you like the movie and it isn't that bad. Had it done well it would mean more Indiana Jones without Harrison Ford and no one wants that. It would also send a signal to Disney that things are going "fine" with the way things are currently run. So if this helps them panic along their other failed movies it's only great for us.

Shia isn't in Transformers 5 and it bombs. Shia isn't in Indy 5 and it bombs. I think we owe our boy an apology here.
https://media.tenor.com/kA8khAUYJZ8A...ia-labeouf.gif

Also Disney will never admit KK did anything wrong at least in the official record, because of her age she'll just "retire" because it's her time not for any other "reasons". I think that should happen soon but I mean don't believe the random youtuber, she might stay there a few more years and any project that doesn't bomb will only keep her there. Disney will do anything to save face.

In all honesty, I didn’t have an issue with Mutt as a character…the movie itself just felt unnecessary. It did have its moments though.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

The more I think about KK the more upsetting it all is.

Star Wars? KK's sequel trilogy destroyed.

Indiana Jones? Part 5 was co-opted and destroyed by KK agenda.

Willow? Rendered radioactive as an IP after the KK-led Disney+ series.

And the list goes on and on. And there's not really any going back on any of this... the damage is done. We can't, like, un-get the Star Wars sequel trilogy. Harrison Ford isn't coming back to try it again. No one is going to throw more money at a Willow production ever again.

What Star Wars trilogy? I have no idea what you’re talking about.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by ssjup81

In all honesty, I didn’t have an issue with Mutt as a character…the movie itself just felt unnecessary. It did have its moments though.

For me killing character is a nuclear option - there is no way back. And its a pet peeve of mine, when character killed in the backstory, between installments.

[IMJ]

It was never going to be a great movie as it currently is, but the truth is that even in the obviously Frankenstein-built-cut of the movie in theaters, had Helena never knocked out a whiny-bitch Indy to get to the resolution then the movie would have been arguably servicable.

But to do that and utterly destroy his character and have Indy go out like that was pure "Kathleen Kennedy-style" man-hater psychology.

[ssjup81]

Originally Posted by Sumac

For me killing character is a nuclear option - there is no way back. And its a pet peeve of mine, when character killed in the backstory, between installments.

I agree. Killing off his character just seemed so unnecessary and pointless. Even in the last film, they had Indy Sr die. I thought it was kind of messed up since he drank from the Holy Grail but whatever. I know Sean didn’t want to do the film, even for a cameo, but they could’ve thought of something better for those of us with partial memories of the Last Crusade which just happened to be my favorite of the original trilogy.

Originally Posted by IMJ

It was never going to be a great movie as it currently is, but the truth is that even in the obviously Frankenstein-built-cut of the movie in theaters, had Helena never knocked out a whiny-bitch Indy to get to the resolution then the movie would have been arguably servicable.

But to do that and utterly destroy his character and have Indy go out like that was pure "Kathleen Kennedy-style" man-hater psychology.

THIS!!!!!! When I came across that, I was like, THIS IS NOT INDIANA JONES! Ugh! Ridiculous! As mentioned, I’m the type who watch or read things to form an opinion on stuff, but this is probably the first time where I’m not doing that. I admit I’m a bit biased here.

[ranger_scout]

I don't know if it was really worth the wait, but I still had a good time watching the movie the two times I've seen it. It was fun seeing it with two of my friends and then with my brother at Regal ScreenX. I think the changing of directors from Speilberg to Mangold did have an effect on the script. David Keopp is probably not the best when it comes to writing sequels. Things didn't go so well for him with The Lost World: Jurassic Park or Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. I really didn't it was all that bad. I thought the beginning was quite good, but I just don't think this movie will ever be considered a classic. My biggest disappointment was the end of the climax. The solution to

Spoiler:

getting Indy to come by punching him

was just not exciting.

Spoiler:

I did like seeing him reunited with Marion.

[ssjup81]

This was inevitable. I need to check out Honest Trailers unless they did one and I missed it.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by ranger_scout

I don't know if it was really worth the wait, but I still had a good time watching the movie the two times I've seen it. It was fun seeing it with two of my friends and then with my brother at Regal ScreenX. I think the changing of directors from Speilberg to Mangold did have an effect on the script. David Keopp is probably not the best when it comes to writing sequels. Things didn't go so well for him with The Lost World: Jurassic Park or Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. I really didn't it was all that bad. I thought the beginning was quite good, but I just don't think this movie will ever be considered a classic. My biggest disappointment was the end of the climax. The solution to

Spoiler:

getting Indy to come by punching him

was just not exciting.

Spoiler:

I did like seeing him reunited with Marion.

I mean - it's not even that it wasn't "exciting". We go to these movies because of who these guys are and the situations they are in. And that ending was a complete betrayal of the character and who this guy is. The final scenes (before the epilogue) basically took 40 years of the character and punctuated it at the end with commentary saying "your heroes turn into whiny bitches as they age and there is no reason to look up to them throughout your life and even less reason to look at them as they age".

It's taking a piece of societal culture and intentionally ruining it as some kind of way to make people question things that have given them strength and thought for decades. And it's the exact same thing they did with Luke Skywalker - turned him into a milk drinking weirdo suckling the tit of an bizarre lactating alien while hiding in old age on an unmapped planet.

And so, my point is that this wasn't about "screen writing", this was about thematic direction and edict. After all of the evidence that has been presented for years now, you simply can't help but imagine Kathleen Kennedy, "man hater" sitting around somewhere saying to herself, "now I have control of Star Wars and Indiana Jones and I can ruin the art and history of every man in this generation who loved them because I am a strong, independent wammon."

It's pure agenda. And unfortunately, most people are slow to comprehend and see patterns and so it has gotten this far. But I said it here along time ago - it's a big ship, slow to turn but it's happened with diminishing returns going back to the Last Jedi that everyone tried and hated, then nobody showed up for the Rise of Skywalker, then diminishing returns for every woke $#!( Disney product (Lesbians in a Pixar movie? Seriously?), and now the bottom drops out completely for Indiana Jones.

Don't pay for woke $#!(. Continue not paying for woke $#!(. Woke $#!( is nothing more than peasant-vengeance from the life-angry wrapped in a message of "strength" to make the other peasants get onboard. It's a lie.