Official episode discussion: Rise of the Turtles, Part 1 and 2 - Page 27

**Jester** · 10-02-2012, 01:18 AM

What is this mystical Kay-Bee Toys of which you speak...

sakura_kenshin 487 · 10-02-2012, 01:37 AM

I just want to post my thoughts really quick. I thought the premiere was excellent! I was a neutral fan of TMNT when younger (I grew up with the 4Kids series) but watching the new series resurrected my love for it. The animation, while at times awkward such as with an empty NYC, was pretty good for a TV show and the fight scenes were excellent and I was pleasantly surprised with the violence it got away with. What I loved most though was the portrayal of the characters, the turtles felt like actual teens to me while still keeping those loveable quirks we are familiar with. I didn't even mind that April was made into a teen, the one thing I was most worried about was Rob Paulsen as Donatello since I felt he should have gotten back his role as Raphael. But I'm over it, I actually really love Rob as Donnie and I love the rest of the cast as well, especially Greg Biggs.

Just thought I would make my opinion.

*Zulithe* · 10-02-2012, 01:43 AM

I fully agree about NYC being so empty. It does not feel like NYC at all. NYC has to be alive and busy, even at 3am in the morning. I live in San Francisco which is tiny in comparison and even it is bustling at all hours. NYC must be on a whole new level.

But we know these are clearly budgetary limitations, not just creating the models but animating them. That, and it kind of gets in the way of the story, the turtles couldn't fight out on the street without 20 people seeing them within about a minute.

I really hope this is something they address more as time goes on. NYC is a BIG, busy place, the turtles can't just run around all night and only bump into 2 or 3 people. It is rather lazy.

One thing I love about the first TMNT live action film, the film starts off showing NYC and how big and busy it is. Then you learn about this hidden secret hiding in the sewers, part of what is interesting about TMNT is how they can exist in this environment and stay undetected using their ninja skills. It's a side of the mythology that I really want them to stress more.

Anyway, suspension of disbelief is a useful ally.

**Jester** · 10-02-2012, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by sakura_kenshin 487

I love the rest of the cast as well, especially Greg Biggs.

Greg Cipes who is Mikey or Jason Biggs who is Leo?

sakura_kenshin 487 · 10-02-2012, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Jester

Greg Cipes who is Mikey or Jason Biggs who is Leo?

Oops! I mean Greg Cipes! Although I like Jason Biggs also. Sorry, I don't know how I got those mixed up.

Avatar Yuffie · 10-02-2012, 02:04 AM

I like it.

Leo being a nerd over STASlookalike (when it's usually Mike), Don and Raph having arguments (when it's usually Leo and Raph) and Mike is not as annoying as his 2K3 (his short attention span IS worrying though) are really interesting quirks.

A lot of Raph fans say he's badass and I go "Yeah, ok.", since he IS the popular Turtle. But this version shows he's the best fighter of the four, outclassing *gasp* Leo. His action scenes are pretty awesome as well.

I didn't mind about teen!April. She was funny in the brief moments the show featured her. I feel bad about Don (once Casey shows up eventually) because him crushing on her and jumpstarting the plot is adorable. And her poor dad. :/

Splinter plays like a sarcastic overprotective dad. Love it.

TheJ-manTurtleMan · 10-02-2012, 02:31 AM

Has anybody else caught this?

Spoiler:

*Luzmagica* · 10-02-2012, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by TurtleTron

Has anybody else caught this?

Spoiler:

Maybe they believe its was only a clock! or Maybe an ornament that Splinter fit on the wall when they were young and they did not know what actually represented (not the same one true pizza, than a picture/draw of a pizza)...
just rambling.....

bjaxx87 · 10-02-2012, 05:16 AM

I can't stop thinking about the relationship between Goliath and Elisa in Gargoyles (Season 1, 2 and the Clan-Building Comic books - wait..., even in the Marvel comics) when it comes to Donnies crush on April.

It was so well played out how they slowly fell in love with each other (very, very slowly), how they knew that a Gargoyle and a human could never be together and how they finally ignored that preconception and were ready to take the consequences. There were so many feelings in this..., especially when both dated someone else for the Halloween party. And above all I think it's great that Greg Weisman had the guts to write such an objectionable storyline, that's nothing to be sure for a kids show - a Disney kids show!

I would really appreciate something like that for 2K12. If it's just fodder for some funny, goofy moments...., then I think it's dumb. And to be honest I'm afraid Nick doesn't have the balls.

*Candy Kappa* · 10-02-2012, 06:06 AM

It would be awesome if the show gets it's own movie, ala reverse Kung-Fu Panda. I'd love to see the Cg models bumped to feature film budget, especially Splinter. He would look so awesome with proper fur.

*The Stryker* · 10-02-2012, 06:34 AM

I really love all the 'NYC is empty! It should be busy!' talk.

Take it from someone that lived in New York for most of his life, the area where most of the episode took place was not Manhattan.

It was clearly Brooklyn or even The Bronx. Those areas are quite dead at later hours. All of New York isn't the city.

Now if there's a scene of the turtles in Times Square or something and it's still completely empty then there's a more valid complaint.

marcelangelo · 10-02-2012, 08:58 AM

THANKYOU!!finally someone repeating my thoughts here!!(go back a page or so)
..someone who even LIVED in new york!....

shinefra · 10-02-2012, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by TurtleTron

Has anybody else caught this?

Spoiler:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luzmagica

Maybe they believe its was only a clock! or Maybe an ornament that Splinter fit on the wall when they were young and they did not know what actually represented (not the same one true pizza, than a picture/draw of a pizza)...
just rambling.....

Or maybe it’s just a plot hole, I mean who has a TV and doesn’t know what Pizza is?

*Raph's Girl* · 10-02-2012, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by bjaxx87

I can't stop thinking about the relationship between Goliath and Elisa in Gargoyles (Season 1, 2 and the Clan-Building Comic books - wait..., even in the Marvel comics) when it comes to Donnies crush on April.

Yeah.. uh Elisa and Goliath should never be compared to anybody period. They are the best love story in comics and toons period imo. What Don has is a fricken boyhood crush and nothing more.

*Zany Orange Dude* · 10-02-2012, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by TurtleTron

Has anybody else caught this?

Spoiler:

I caught that a well.

marcelangelo · 10-02-2012, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Raph's Girl

Yeah.. uh Elisa and Goliath should never be compared to anybody period. They are the best love story in comics and toons period imo. What Don has is a fricken boyhood crush and nothing more.

not knowing that love story I may not be qualified to deny that BUT I would not rule out that myamoto usagi and tomoe ame have a pretty beautiful one, too..more of a hidden but even more saying relationship than mostly found in fiction...(Im talking about usagi yojimbo comics by the way

..)

*Jephael* · 10-02-2012, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Over there we have the Fred Wolf/Nickelodeon mutagen... it's rules are nonsense: after exposure to it, the creature or animal exposed mutates into a hybrid of whatever the last living thing it touched was.

Which is nonsense. There is no "cellular memory" on a genetic level if I'm trimming my jade plant. And right now we're full of living organisms... if I'm exposed to Fred Wolf/Nick ooze right now and the last living thing I touched was a dandelion, why would I become Dandelion Man and not, say, amoeba man? Or if I had the flu virus, Flu Man?

It's just a nonsense, nonsense mutagen that doesn't hold up to even the slightest level of scrutiny and was only invented to crank out a steady supply of mutant toys for Playmates.

Take a freaking chill pill, man! Who the hell cares? It's just a cartoon! It's not supposed to make sense!

Besides, keep in mind that Archie comics used that same iteration of mutagen as well to turn a human teenager into Mondo Gecko, a human marine biologist into Man Ray and a human spy into the Chameleon. Infact Shredder even explains how it works to the Chameleon before he sprays the poor bastard.

Gyt Kaliba · 10-02-2012, 12:36 PM

Agreed Jephael. I mean, we're already talking about a series with four, bipedal, intelligent, Ninja Turtles...I think mutagen that mutates something into being more like the last thing they touched is hardly something that jumps the shark here.

That and, they haven't really stated that to be the case in the show yet, though that's got to be how it works - though I wonder how in the heck Hamato Yoshi stepping on the rat counts when he had his shoes on...

Tomoshibi Amatsu · 10-02-2012, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Raph's Girl

Yeah.. uh Elisa and Goliath should never be compared to anybody period. They are the best love story in comics and toons period imo. What Don has is a fricken boyhood crush and nothing more.

That kinda sounds like "this forbidden love is alright and acceptable, but this one totally isn't" to me.

Shredder_Fan · 10-02-2012, 05:12 PM

Love the new TMNT !

at the end with Shredder ???
With no helmet, It looks like Darth Vader in Return Of The Jedi LOL really
his head all burned or something.

But the new TV show 100% COOL

10-02-2012, 01:18 AM	#521
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10-02-2012, 02:04 AM	#526
Avatar Yuffie Stone Warrior Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 805	I like it. Leo being a nerd over STASlookalike (when it's usually Mike), Don and Raph having arguments (when it's usually Leo and Raph) and Mike is not as annoying as his 2K3 (his short attention span IS worrying though) are really interesting quirks. A lot of Raph fans say he's badass and I go "Yeah, ok.", since he IS the popular Turtle. But this version shows he's the best fighter of the four, outclassing gasp Leo. His action scenes are pretty awesome as well. I didn't mind about teen!April. She was funny in the brief moments the show featured her. I feel bad about Don (once Casey shows up eventually) because him crushing on her and jumpstarting the plot is adorable. And her poor dad. :/ Splinter plays like a sarcastic overprotective dad. Love it. __________________ We all know that Most Writers Are Male. Something like eighty percent of media aimed at children have male main characters, whereas half the population is female. At best, women will often be minor characters or will not be present at all. Stories about women are for women, stories about men are for general consumption. (TV Tropes Feminist Fantasy)

10-02-2012, 05:16 AM	#529
bjaxx87 Foot Soldier Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 105	I can't stop thinking about the relationship between Goliath and Elisa in Gargoyles (Season 1, 2 and the Clan-Building Comic books - wait..., even in the Marvel comics) when it comes to Donnies crush on April. It was so well played out how they slowly fell in love with each other (very, very slowly), how they knew that a Gargoyle and a human could never be together and how they finally ignored that preconception and were ready to take the consequences. There were so many feelings in this..., especially when both dated someone else for the Halloween party. And above all I think it's great that Greg Weisman had the guts to write such an objectionable storyline, that's nothing to be sure for a kids show - a Disney kids show! I would really appreciate something like that for 2K12. If it's just fodder for some funny, goofy moments...., then I think it's dumb. And to be honest I'm afraid Nick doesn't have the balls. Last edited by bjaxx87; 10-02-2012 at 06:54 AM.

10-02-2012, 06:06 AM	#530
Candy Kappa The Agenda of Existing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Vikingland Posts: 14,596	It would be awesome if the show gets it's own movie, ala reverse Kung-Fu Panda. I'd love to see the Cg models bumped to feature film budget, especially Splinter. He would look so awesome with proper fur. __________________ devianArt Instagram Youtube Tumblr Art Blog Patreon

10-02-2012, 06:34 AM	#531
The Stryker Stupid Rich Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Room 237 Posts: 11,152	I really love all the 'NYC is empty! It should be busy!' talk. Take it from someone that lived in New York for most of his life, the area where most of the episode took place was not Manhattan. It was clearly Brooklyn or even The Bronx. Those areas are quite dead at later hours. All of New York isn't the city. Now if there's a scene of the turtles in Times Square or something and it's still completely empty then there's a more valid complaint. __________________ @~<3 Mom~@

10-02-2012, 01:37 AM	#522
sakura_kenshin 487 Mouser Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: USA Posts: 9	I just want to post my thoughts really quick. I thought the premiere was excellent! I was a neutral fan of TMNT when younger (I grew up with the 4Kids series) but watching the new series resurrected my love for it. The animation, while at times awkward such as with an empty NYC, was pretty good for a TV show and the fight scenes were excellent and I was pleasantly surprised with the violence it got away with. What I loved most though was the portrayal of the characters, the turtles felt like actual teens to me while still keeping those loveable quirks we are familiar with. I didn't even mind that April was made into a teen, the one thing I was most worried about was Rob Paulsen as Donatello since I felt he should have gotten back his role as Raphael. But I'm over it, I actually really love Rob as Donnie and I love the rest of the cast as well, especially Greg Biggs. Just thought I would make my opinion.

10-02-2012, 01:43 AM	#523
Zulithe Ninjutsu Master Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 6,418	I fully agree about NYC being so empty. It does not feel like NYC at all. NYC has to be alive and busy, even at 3am in the morning. I live in San Francisco which is tiny in comparison and even it is bustling at all hours. NYC must be on a whole new level. But we know these are clearly budgetary limitations, not just creating the models but animating them. That, and it kind of gets in the way of the story, the turtles couldn't fight out on the street without 20 people seeing them within about a minute. I really hope this is something they address more as time goes on. NYC is a BIG, busy place, the turtles can't just run around all night and only bump into 2 or 3 people. It is rather lazy. One thing I love about the first TMNT live action film, the film starts off showing NYC and how big and busy it is. Then you learn about this hidden secret hiding in the sewers, part of what is interesting about TMNT is how they can exist in this environment and stay undetected using their ninja skills. It's a side of the mythology that I really want them to stress more. Anyway, suspension of disbelief is a useful ally.

10-02-2012, 08:58 AM	#532
marcelangelo Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,471	THANKYOU!!finally someone repeating my thoughts here!!(go back a page or so) ..someone who even LIVED in new york!....

10-02-2012, 12:36 PM	#538
Gyt Kaliba Stone Warrior Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Arkansas Posts: 770	Agreed Jephael. I mean, we're already talking about a series with four, bipedal, intelligent, Ninja Turtles...I think mutagen that mutates something into being more like the last thing they touched is hardly something that jumps the shark here. That and, they haven't really stated that to be the case in the show yet, though that's got to be how it works - though I wonder how in the heck Hamato Yoshi stepping on the rat counts when he had his shoes on... __________________ My FanFiction

10-02-2012, 05:12 PM	#540
Shredder_Fan Foot Soldier Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: The Technodrome (Dimension X) Posts: 172	Wow Love the new TMNT ! at the end with Shredder ??? With no helmet, It looks like Darth Vader in Return Of The Jedi LOL really his head all burned or something. But the new TV show 100% COOL