What Story was better - Page 3

*heretic888* · 11-03-2002, 12:52 PM

maybe so, but the mirage tmnt could still kick their kiddified fannies into next tuesday.

**Kali** · 11-03-2002, 12:54 PM

I think of that crossover and I keep seeing a scene where Raph freaks out because he's being censored. All those little symbols constantly over his head. *falls into a fit of giggles*

**Karpo_007** · 11-03-2002, 02:35 PM

It couldnt be possible even in theory, In cartoon there is no death, and i dont recall that TMNT would have had a mortal combat against anyone in archie either...

*heretic888* · 11-03-2002, 09:12 PM

they wouldnt have to kill each other to fight, you know.

**Karpo_007** · 11-04-2002, 12:21 AM

You ment that they would fight each other? Now there wouldnt be any sense, everybody would know the winner from the start...

*Jephael* · 11-07-2002, 08:04 PM

You do know Peter Laird actually had an idea like that, don't you? He was gonna have the Kirby character from the Donatello Micro-Special show up in the Archie universe and take the turtles from that world to meet up with the Mirage universe TMNT (or something like that)

I would've loved to have seen that!

**Karpo_007** · 11-08-2002, 04:08 AM

Read the earlier posts. Thats what we were talking about.

**Machias Banshee** · 11-08-2002, 06:05 PM

Okay, I'm reading a lot of slamming about the Archie comix. I really liked it, as it was the only origin i had known, other than the movie one.

The origin of Splinter....I thought the archie was was pretty reasonable, considering all his knowledge about different things, i.e. The arts (martial and fine), mythology, language, and whatnot. As for how it all worked out, imagined that Yoshi had set the turtles on the floor to wander, and left to find food. He happened to find some rats going through where he was searching, maybe gettin bit by one. Once he found wht he wanted, he returned, found the turtles, and stepped into the ooze, sealing his fate, and picking up the turtles, adding some more of his "characteristics" to them...

I also like the Mirage Splinter, dont get me wrong...I just prefer the Archie one cuz he's taller, stronger (in many aspects) and not morbidly awaiting death....I'm looking forward to the new cartoon, hoping that Splinter will be more involved, no matter how he does so.

As for them fighting each other....i think they'd be too shocked at each other to really wanna fight, but that's my opinion.

That's my opinion, and if i get over-analyzed, i'm gonna take Splinter's walking staff and beat you upside the head with it...

**Karpo_007** · 11-08-2002, 06:14 PM

The truth is, that the archie is just kiddified version of the TMNT. And its true, that kids might not have intrest in mirage's plot lines. And archie is better for them. When i was 6 or 7 and read the archie comic, i probably wouldnt have liked Mirage.

I think it was good that 2 comic universes existed, that way older and younger people could get in to TMNT consept.

*Jephael* · 11-08-2002, 06:33 PM

The Archie TMNT series was based on the cartoon but I'm sure it wasn't as kiddified. Just look at what they did to the Mutanimals. I mean when's the last time you saw a massacre like that on a cartoon show?

**Karpo_007** · 11-08-2002, 06:36 PM

I know, Archie wasnt as kiddiefied as the cartoon. That's because they could never show any kind of death in childrens cartoon.

the_minimizer · 11-09-2002, 03:26 AM

That's not true. There was at least one death in the episode with the Eye of Sarnath. The alien vaporized.

And while that was the only death I can think of, there were other instances were murder was attempted.

Baxter was sent to the disintegrator in dimension-x at the technodrome. He would've died.

The numerous times Shredder tried to murder the turtles and splinter.

When the technodrome rolled through the city, crushing buildings--there could've been people inside of those buildings.

Krang was going to have his rock soldiers to open fire on Earth once it entered the portal. Billions of people would've died in the attack.

I mean, there was actually only one death so to speak, but the characters' intentions were definitely deadly and murderous.

**Karpo_007** · 11-09-2002, 03:29 AM

Ok il correct, there couldnt be a violent death. No Krang and his rocksoldiers never could have kiled anyone. If they would have done so, the epsiode wouldnt have aired.

*Jephael* · 11-09-2002, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by unix_based_punk

When the technodrome rolled through the city, crushing buildings--there could've been people inside of those buildings.

There couldn't have been people in the buildings, otherwise they'd be screaming as they were rolled over.

raphael90 · 11-09-2002, 12:49 PM

I like the first story of the Turtles and Hamato Yoshi mutating from the mutagen. I like the name 'mutagen' better than 'ooze'.....ooze...kinda a dumb word. There was one little flaw in that story that someone else mentioned above....

Splinter touched the Turtles before mutating....yet he still became a rat.

the_minimizer · 11-09-2002, 01:20 PM

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There couldn't have been people in the buildings, otherwise they'd be screaming as they were rolled over.

I didn't say there were people in there. I said there could've been people in there. It's the idea that Krang and Shredder didn't care if there was or not.

And again, it's the idea. That would've been the outcome if the rock soldiers opened fire on Earth. The intention to kill was there. The fact that it didn't happen was irrelevent.

My sister used to work at a daycare center and she said kids weren't allowed to watch TMNT cartoon because it was too violent. Kids were trying to do the moves on each other.

**Karpo_007** · 11-09-2002, 01:21 PM

quote="raphael90"]I like the first story of the Turtles and Hamato Yoshi mutating from the mutagen. I like the name 'mutagen' better than 'ooze'.....ooze...kinda a dumb word. There was one little flaw in that story that someone else mentioned above....

Splinter touched the Turtles before mutating....yet he still became a rat.[/quote]
That isn't the first story...

*Nickokapo* · 11-09-2002, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unix_based_punk

Kids were trying to do the moves on each other.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karpo_007

That isn't the first story...

Yeah...
I do like the toon story more

sure it might have some flaws or two, but it was a 'toon, aimed to kids, not strict error seeking machines

The card of the toys came with the turtle story too (at least in the one i have) i wonder who did the artwork..

**Karpo_007** · 11-09-2002, 03:32 PM

Yeah the toon and archie made the TMNT available to the kids.

*heretic888* · 11-16-2002, 01:00 PM

regardless, the mirage story is a BETTER story in that it is deeper and more open to psychologic content.

11-03-2002, 12:52 PM	#41
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	heh maybe so, but the mirage tmnt could still kick their kiddified fannies into next tuesday. __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

11-03-2002, 09:12 PM	#44
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	hmmm they wouldnt have to kill each other to fight, you know. __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

11-07-2002, 08:04 PM	#46
Jephael That whack job behind you Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania Posts: 8,143	You do know Peter Laird actually had an idea like that, don't you? He was gonna have the Kirby character from the Donatello Micro-Special show up in the Archie universe and take the turtles from that world to meet up with the Mirage universe TMNT (or something like that) I would've loved to have seen that! __________________ "I like it. Simple, but effective!" Raphael; The Mean Machines - 1988

11-08-2002, 06:33 PM	#50
Jephael That whack job behind you Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania Posts: 8,143	The Archie TMNT series was based on the cartoon but I'm sure it wasn't as kiddified. Just look at what they did to the Mutanimals. I mean when's the last time you saw a massacre like that on a cartoon show? __________________ "I like it. Simple, but effective!" Raphael; The Mean Machines - 1988

11-09-2002, 03:26 AM	#52
the_minimizer Foot Soldier Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 230	re: That's not true. There was at least one death in the episode with the Eye of Sarnath. The alien vaporized. And while that was the only death I can think of, there were other instances were murder was attempted. Baxter was sent to the disintegrator in dimension-x at the technodrome. He would've died. The numerous times Shredder tried to murder the turtles and splinter. When the technodrome rolled through the city, crushing buildings--there could've been people inside of those buildings. Krang was going to have his rock soldiers to open fire on Earth once it entered the portal. Billions of people would've died in the attack. I mean, there was actually only one death so to speak, but the characters' intentions were definitely deadly and murderous.

11-03-2002, 12:54 PM	#42
Kali Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California! Posts: 11,101	I think of that crossover and I keep seeing a scene where Raph freaks out because he's being censored. All those little symbols constantly over his head. falls into a fit of giggles

11-03-2002, 02:35 PM	#43
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	It couldnt be possible even in theory, In cartoon there is no death, and i dont recall that TMNT would have had a mortal combat against anyone in archie either...

11-04-2002, 12:21 AM	#45
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	You ment that they would fight each other? Now there wouldnt be any sense, everybody would know the winner from the start...

11-08-2002, 04:08 AM	#47
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Read the earlier posts. Thats what we were talking about.

11-08-2002, 06:05 PM	#48
Machias Banshee Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 17,163	Okay, I'm reading a lot of slamming about the Archie comix. I really liked it, as it was the only origin i had known, other than the movie one. The origin of Splinter....I thought the archie was was pretty reasonable, considering all his knowledge about different things, i.e. The arts (martial and fine), mythology, language, and whatnot. As for how it all worked out, imagined that Yoshi had set the turtles on the floor to wander, and left to find food. He happened to find some rats going through where he was searching, maybe gettin bit by one. Once he found wht he wanted, he returned, found the turtles, and stepped into the ooze, sealing his fate, and picking up the turtles, adding some more of his "characteristics" to them... I also like the Mirage Splinter, dont get me wrong...I just prefer the Archie one cuz he's taller, stronger (in many aspects) and not morbidly awaiting death....I'm looking forward to the new cartoon, hoping that Splinter will be more involved, no matter how he does so. As for them fighting each other....i think they'd be too shocked at each other to really wanna fight, but that's my opinion. That's my opinion, and if i get over-analyzed, i'm gonna take Splinter's walking staff and beat you upside the head with it...

11-08-2002, 06:14 PM	#49
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	The truth is, that the archie is just kiddified version of the TMNT. And its true, that kids might not have intrest in mirage's plot lines. And archie is better for them. When i was 6 or 7 and read the archie comic, i probably wouldnt have liked Mirage. I think it was good that 2 comic universes existed, that way older and younger people could get in to TMNT consept.

11-08-2002, 06:36 PM	#51
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	I know, Archie wasnt as kiddiefied as the cartoon. That's because they could never show any kind of death in childrens cartoon.

11-09-2002, 03:29 AM	#53
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Ok il correct, there couldnt be a violent death. No Krang and his rocksoldiers never could have kiled anyone. If they would have done so, the epsiode wouldnt have aired.

11-09-2002, 12:49 PM	#55
raphael90 Stone Warrior Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: ...down in the sewer listening to Skinny Puppy... Posts: 618	story I like the first story of the Turtles and Hamato Yoshi mutating from the mutagen. I like the name 'mutagen' better than 'ooze'.....ooze...kinda a dumb word. There was one little flaw in that story that someone else mentioned above.... Splinter touched the Turtles before mutating....yet he still became a rat. __________________ "Babies? These things haven't even been BORN yet!" -Raphael

11-09-2002, 01:21 PM	#57
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	quote="raphael90"]I like the first story of the Turtles and Hamato Yoshi mutating from the mutagen. I like the name 'mutagen' better than 'ooze'.....ooze...kinda a dumb word. There was one little flaw in that story that someone else mentioned above.... Splinter touched the Turtles before mutating....yet he still became a rat.[/quote] That isn't the first story...

11-09-2002, 03:32 PM	#59
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Yeah the toon and archie made the TMNT available to the kids.

11-16-2002, 01:00 PM	#60
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	ahem regardless, the mirage story is a BETTER story in that it is deeper and more open to psychologic content. __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)