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*Revan* · 05-14-2007, 11:08 AM

Better ease of the religion train guys.

*Andrew NDB* · 05-14-2007, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Rooish

Wow. I can't really justify Splinter's actions there ... raising the Turtles to risk their lives for the sake of vengeance. Creepy.

Nevertheless, this is the source material, the original universe from which all cartoons, movies and such are just spinoff universes.

*Andrew NDB* · 05-14-2007, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Spawn Guy

Well, at the time it was meant to be a parody of martial arts flicks among other things (I assume). I would hardly say Mirage Splinter was entierly motivated by revenge. He got Mike a bunch of art stuff when they were kids, let them explore an underground world when they were only twelve, and helped out that guy who was being possessed by his ancestor or something. Pretty considerate and honourable acts for someone trying to raise his own assassins. He only let them face the Shredder when he felt they were ready and they actually got the guy on the ropes, so...there you go.

And it also comes up later in "City at War." I think it was Donatello that said during that, that "I could kill for Splinter... but I don't know if I'm willing to die for him" or something to that effect, as they start to kind of question their place in the world after they fulfilled their mission of killing Saki.

*odupianist* · 05-14-2007, 11:29 AM

I thought Leo said that. I dk though cause I don't have the books.

It doesn't matter what your religion beliefs are. This is what the TMNT were raised to believe.

*Cascadia* · 05-14-2007, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by odupianist

I thought Leo said that. I dk though cause I don't have the books.

It doesn't matter what your religion beliefs are. This is what the TMNT were raised to believe.

I know that Donnie did not say that in City at War because I checked my City at War books.

Punix · 05-14-2007, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

And it also comes up later in "City at War." I think it was Donatello that said during that, that "I could kill for Splinter... but I don't know if I'm willing to die for him" or something to that effect, as they start to kind of question their place in the world after they fulfilled their mission of killing Saki.

It was Leo and he said something more like this

"I will die for splinter ,but not live for him"

*Andrew NDB* · 05-14-2007, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Punix

It was Leo and he said something more like this

"I will die for splinter ,but not live for him"

Maybe that's what it was.

*Scandia* · 05-14-2007, 01:11 PM

Haven't watched/read that. But it shows some individuality on Leo's part. Maybe Raph will lay off the "Splinter Jr." for a while after hearing Leo say that.

Spawn Guy · 05-14-2007, 01:23 PM

Fat chance.

*Andrew NDB* · 05-14-2007, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Scandia

Haven't watched/read that. But it shows some individuality on Leo's part. Maybe Raph will lay off the "Splinter Jr." for a while after hearing Leo say that.

Considering Splinter died some time ago in the comics, that shouldn't be surprising, as calling Leo such posthumously would be kind of disrespectful.

*Sewer Bull* · 05-14-2007, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Roseangelo

You know, I've never thought about that cover like that before. But there's definitely truth in what you say.

I don't think I'd rank that as the best cover personally, but it's definitely a good one.

Yep, maybe there are better ones (actually, I've never done any private rank), but this one's definitely one of my top favourites.

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Originally Posted by Rooish

... but yeah, Neutrino, Sewer Bull ... that does put a really dark spin on TMNT, or Splinter at least, that is kind of overlooked, even in later Mirage comics.

Well... it seems that it was pretty natural for Japanese warriors to seek revenge for everything. Especially for the previous revenges done on your family. Just look.

As #1 puts it: first off, Oroku Nagi tries to kill Yoshi's love, Shen. The one who chose Yoshi over him.

So Yoshi has to kill kim to protect his future spouse. And they have to flee to America.

So Oroku Saki, Nagi's lil' bro, has to track them down and kill both Yoshi and Shen.

So naturally, Splinter is obliged to murder Saki, with the hands of his innocent apprentices.

And then we have Karai...

The spiral of slaughter between two families continues... just like in a Shakespearian play!

Spawn Guy · 05-14-2007, 04:08 PM

But with better acting and stun chorography.

*gobo* · 05-14-2007, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Scandia

Sorry, but according to my religious beliefs, that is NOT the way to go. The right thing to do is to turn your life around and atone for your past crimes- none of which are totally unforgivable. Which anyone and everyone can do. Suicide would be giving up and just stating that there is no hope for you- which is NOT true.

I fully agree with you. I was just trying to help you understand the idealogy behind it.

Swany · 05-15-2007, 03:46 PM

Something that started bugging me last night was how the first symptons of Donnies second mutation were similar to flu.

Or did he really have the flu and his weakened immune system meant the second mutation could occur?

*Revan* · 05-15-2007, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Swany

Something that started bugging me last night was how the first symptons of Donnies second mutation were similar to flu.

Or did he really have the flu and his weakened immune system meant the second mutation could occur?

They were probably just trying to show that Don was getting sick and weak. Cold/Flu symptoms are the basic universal signs of a sickness.

Hey, we don't know exactly what the symptoms of his mutation would be. For all we know, Don's symptoms were 100% spot on.

But I agree, it was silly.

*Mr._Mutant_Man* · 05-17-2007, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Neutrino

A better question for those religious fans... do they have souls?

If souls exist, then the turtles would most definitely have them, considering they exhibit the same feelings and fears and so on that humans would. Even if they didn't start out human, most animals seem to exhibit a certain amount of emotion in their own way depending on the animal, so I'd say yes.

I second the feeling about going to sunday school and having someone tell you animals don't go to heaven is like a punch to the gut. If we're worthy, at the very least those adorable chimpanzees and orangutans are too.

Plus dogs and cats would be awesome too.

bullet · 05-17-2007, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Neutrino

A better question for those religious fans... do they have souls?

according to doctrine, i'm pretty sure all sentient beings have souls. if they didn't have it to begin with, they gained it through mutation...?

Swany · 05-17-2007, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Neutrino

A better question for those religious fans... do they have souls?

I'd say all living creatures (yes even trees, although they are immortal) have a soul or something resembling a soul.

I dont see why humans should be the only ones.

*Cascadia* · 05-17-2007, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Neutrino

They were probably just trying to show that Don was getting sick and weak. Cold/Flu symptoms are the basic universal signs of a sickness.

Hey, we don't know exactly what the symptoms of his mutation would be. For all we know, Don's symptoms were 100% spot on.

But I agree, it was silly.

The symptoms were illustrating that his immune system was going down hill due to the "bug bite".

Fledermaus · 05-17-2007, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sewer Bull

That reminded me of my favourite TMNT comic cover. Issue #1, fifth print:

Best. TMNT. Cover. Ever. Ever.

I really like the concept of Splinter being driven with the blind lust for vengeance. And the turtles being his avenging puppets.

Whoa... sorry to dig up this post, but this cover... is... perfect.

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05-15-2007, 03:46 PM	#54
Swany Stone Warrior Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Near Glasgow. Scotland Posts: 924	Something that started bugging me last night was how the first symptons of Donnies second mutation were similar to flu. Or did he really have the flu and his weakened immune system meant the second mutation could occur? __________________

05-14-2007, 11:29 AM	#44
odupianist Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,744	I thought Leo said that. I dk though cause I don't have the books. It doesn't matter what your religion beliefs are. This is what the TMNT were raised to believe.

05-14-2007, 01:11 PM	#48
Scandia Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 2,265	Haven't watched/read that. But it shows some individuality on Leo's part. Maybe Raph will lay off the "Splinter Jr." for a while after hearing Leo say that.