What do you think IDW's Krang will turn out to be? - Page 3

Metropoliskid41 · 01-05-2012, 10:21 AM

Yeah I agree I thinks its gotta be some kind of "rebirth" chamber that has the mutagen and animal dna pumped into their system. Who knows, maybe they'll just get 'roided up by the mutagen and be more a just massive human similar in size to Strong Guy from the X books, and just happen to have face deformities that may make them look kind of animalish but not actually a cross between a Rhino & Man and such. That might piss some people off, but I wouldn't mind it being an unstable process that deforms them, and continues to, and then maybe they try injecting some animal DNA into their systems to stabilize them. Kinda along the lines of X-MEN First Class beast using Mystique's DNA to try and cure his mutant appearance and instead getting turned into an animal looking beast.

JonesyKitty · 01-05-2012, 10:27 AM

[QUOTE=Andrew NDB;899000]That mutating is even on the table for Bebop and Rocksteady "when the Master wishes it" directly implies that the mutagen can work in reverse (humans into animal mutants, not just animals into mutants). It's not a question of "if."

thats kinda what i was thinking

*Cowabunga Carl* · 01-05-2012, 11:19 AM

What if Krang turns out to be an Utrom that tried to mutate himself but something went wrong. Like he was going to use the mutagen to make an army but something went wrong with it. Then somehow he finds out that it works on humans and animals of Earth so he came here to make his army.

Metropoliskid41 · 01-05-2012, 11:21 AM

Interesting idea, that would be a twist and a different take on the often used "alien invader comes to earth for world domination" plot that every comic universe from Transformers to Marvel to DC all seem to have. It would be pretty sweet if that was in fact Krang's motivation!

*Cowabunga Carl* · 01-05-2012, 11:48 AM

I'm not against having outer space adventures or dealing with aliens. I mean when you look at the Mirage version by issue 4 they were dealing with aliens and going into outer space. Triceratons and Utroms have been a huge part of TMNT for a long time and I expect them to be for a while to come.

So it would be very disappointing if Krang turned out to be human and there no aliens at all in this universe. I believe it was Peter who enjoyed the space aspect and Kevin that wanted the Turtles to be more grounded after all.

*MikeandRaph87* · 01-05-2012, 12:51 PM

Hob, you just gave me the crazy idea that Krang might be human and Shredder an alien. Talk about vice versa.

It would be nice if Krang is an alien and Shredder a human as it should be.

I would like to see Bebop and Rocsktedy beyond a nod. They are deserving of further use. It would be nice to see them get a little blood on thier hands beyond Bebop accidently killing Chrell.

TobTurn · 01-06-2012, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by mikeandraph87

Hob, you just gave me the crazy idea that Krang might be human and Shredder an alien. Talk about vice versa.

It would be nice if Krang is an alien and Shredder a human as it should be.

I would like to see Bebop and Rocsktedy beyond a nod. They are deserving of further use. It would be nice to see them get a little blood on thier hands beyond Bebop accidently killing Chrell.

He's not dead

As long as Krang's an alien and not superduper serious (I'd like to see some sarcasm) I'm fine with it.

*MikeandRaph87* · 01-06-2012, 06:46 AM

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He's not dead

As long as Krang's an alien and not superduper serious (I'd like to see some sarcasm) I'm fine with it.

Its like a said before in the world of fiction one never knows! I personally like to think he is dead. Shredder and Rat King turning out to be Chr'ell and The Ultimate Slayer was my biggest disappointment in the 2003 cartoon. I know you like the twist though and that is fine.

*Andrew NDB* · 01-06-2012, 09:05 AM

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I would like to see Bebop and Rocsktedy beyond a nod. They are deserving of further use.

All nostalgia aside, why?

*MikeandRaph87* · 01-06-2012, 09:27 AM

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All nostalgia aside, why?

Its not nostalgia for me with old toon chartacters. I always thought Bebop and Rocskteady could be more serious and threatening and I thought IDW could give the pair a chance to be shown in a darker and more serious light oppose to the incompent goofs used for comedic relief. I tihnk they deserve it with a fan following and fondly remembered characters. Now,its time to make the incompetence and stupidity an aspect of one intrepretation and see what else creators can do with them.

Metropoliskid41 · 01-06-2012, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by mikeandraph87

Its not nostalgia for me with old toon chartacters. I always thought Bebop and Rocskteady could be more serious and threatening and I thought IDW could give the pair a chance to be shown in a darker and more serious light oppose to the incompent goofs used for comedic relief. I tihnk they deserve it with a fan following and fondly remembered characters. Now,its time to make the incompetence and stupidity an aspect of one intrepretation and see what else creators can do with them.

Well said! I would really like to see them re-imagined as formidible opponents for the Turtles. And it seems like they are at least undergoing some sort of martial arts or hand to hand combat training as we saw them in the training room with Alopex. I don't expect them to be full on ninja, but a step up from moronic street goons, and actually have a little technique to go with their strength.

*Andrew NDB* · 01-06-2012, 09:36 AM

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I always thought Bebop and Rocskteady could be more serious and threatening and I thought IDW could give the pair a chance to be shown in a darker and more serious light oppose to the incompent goofs used for comedic relief.

In other words... you want Bebop and Rocksteady because of what they are not, not because of what they are?

I'm not sure that computes beyond -- that's right -- nostalgia.

Not that there's anything wrong with that... but let's call a spade a spade.

Matches Malone · 01-06-2012, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

In other words... you want Bebop and Rocksteady because of what they are not, not because of what they are?

I'm not sure that computes beyond -- that's right -- nostalgia.

Not that there's anything wrong with that... but let's call a spade a spade.

Well besides incompetent street thugs, the first thing people think is super strong rhino and warthog mutant when they think of Bebop & Rocksteady, which can be pretty cool. That's as much a part of their character as their more moronic qualities, right? That's pretty much the only aspect I'd like to see kept, but it still makes them R&B, doesn't it? I think that qualifies as a non-nostalgic reason.

*CyberCubed* · 01-06-2012, 10:38 AM

Human Bebop and Rocksteady seemed pretty stupid in that micro. Raph dispatches of them easily and Rocksteady says he's a juggernaut an then gets kicked.

**Venom** · 01-06-2012, 10:57 AM

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Human Bebop and Rocksteady seemed pretty stupid in that micro. Raph dispatches of them easily and Rocksteady says he's a juggernaut an then gets kicked.

That wasn't a real fight, it was staged. Raph didn't know it, though.

Matches Malone · 01-06-2012, 03:26 PM

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Human Bebop and Rocksteady seemed pretty stupid in that micro. Raph dispatches of them easily and Rocksteady says he's a juggernaut an then gets kicked.

Well, I didn't think it was too bad, and I'm not saying it won't be tricky to pull off. All I'm saying is that the idea of a mutant warthog or rhino is no more inherently silly than say, a mutant alligator living in the sewers. At the least, I can see that there is plenty of potential to make them cool and interesting, especially since the Fred Wolf cartoons didn't do much to develop their characters, which leaves a lot unwritten and a lot of potential untapped. A good example is to look Dave Rapoza's recent illustrations/interpretations. Bebop & Rocksteady don't look too goofy there!

*Coola Yagami* · 01-06-2012, 04:35 PM

I don't see the problem with Bebop and Rocksteady Andrew. The old cartoon took the Turtles, Casey, April, Leatherhead and such and made them sillier, but it worked for that show, despite how serious they might be in the source material. Why can't it also be in reverse? The Archie comics already showed a more dangerous competent Shredder, a Krang capable of genocide without batting an eye, and even Bebop and Rocksteady (what little we saw of them) were taken out in regular fights, rather than tripping them up with roller skates and stuff.

I just feel they can work without changing too much of the intended characters. They're street thugs. They're mutant animals. They're not that bright but strong enough to throw cars and crap to make up for it. Take away the extra added silly shenanigans that season 2 and onward added and you basically got season 1 Bebop and Rocksteady with a lil blood on their hands.

If Slash looked so bad-ass in the toy, and yet the toon made him goofy and stupid... and yet the Archie comics (and videogames) kept him closer to his sick murderous design... why can't Bebop and Rocksteady also maintain their original kick-ass toy design as well? Even the Shredder figure makes him a ninja, creator or mutagen and blah blah, but nowhere does it say 'he's Krang's whiney little bitch'. So I'm sure IDW can keep a more dangerous Season 1 Bebop and Rocksteady, cranked up a notch, and they'd still be the more serious equivalent of the old show.

I don't know... I think I see them kicking ass and such like the equivalent of the 2003 He Man show when the characters were actually allowed to FIGHT and such. Even the dumbest of Skeletor's lackeys were still proven to be viscious and dangerous threats, rather than completely useless buffoons like in the 80's. I kinda think the whole 'stupid incompetent henchmen that makes you wonder why the main villian keeps them around' thing is dying out nowadays anyways.

*MikeandRaph87* · 01-07-2012, 04:56 PM

Krang used to look like this:http://tmnttoys.com/giantkrang.htm,but going by IDW's cover for #7 he looks like this: http://www.pbs.org/behindcloseddoors...es/stalin.html minus the mustache. I wonder if that was the idea or if I am reaching with the visual inspiration as far as the cover goes for #7.

Hermano Dyvas · 01-14-2012, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

That mutating is even on the table for Bebop and Rocksteady "when the Master wishes it" directly implies that the mutagen can work in reverse (humans into animal mutants, not just animals into mutants). It's not a question of "if."

Sure it's a question of if, we haven't seen this happen yet. It doesn't matter if they told Bebop and Rocksteady they can be changed. Remember Tristan's comment (don't be too sure about B&R's mutation).

It could just be a lie to tempt B&R and other punks with illusions of grandeur into following them.

We don't know yet. I do hope it's possible and Bebop and Rocksteady do mutate though.

*Donnie* · 01-14-2012, 11:43 AM

Krang is Krang, I really think they are taking most cues from the OT concerning the character.

01-05-2012, 10:21 AM	#41
Metropoliskid41 Stone Warrior Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Tundra Posts: 886	Yeah I agree I thinks its gotta be some kind of "rebirth" chamber that has the mutagen and animal dna pumped into their system. Who knows, maybe they'll just get 'roided up by the mutagen and be more a just massive human similar in size to Strong Guy from the X books, and just happen to have face deformities that may make them look kind of animalish but not actually a cross between a Rhino & Man and such. That might piss some people off, but I wouldn't mind it being an unstable process that deforms them, and continues to, and then maybe they try injecting some animal DNA into their systems to stabilize them. Kinda along the lines of X-MEN First Class beast using Mystique's DNA to try and cure his mutant appearance and instead getting turned into an animal looking beast. __________________ -------------------

01-05-2012, 10:27 AM	#42
JonesyKitty Mad Scientist Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,063	[QUOTE=Andrew NDB;899000]That mutating is even on the table for Bebop and Rocksteady "when the Master wishes it" directly implies that the mutagen can work in reverse (humans into animal mutants, not just animals into mutants). It's not a question of "if." thats kinda what i was thinking __________________

01-05-2012, 11:21 AM	#44
Metropoliskid41 Stone Warrior Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Tundra Posts: 886	Interesting idea, that would be a twist and a different take on the often used "alien invader comes to earth for world domination" plot that every comic universe from Transformers to Marvel to DC all seem to have. It would be pretty sweet if that was in fact Krang's motivation! __________________ -------------------

01-05-2012, 12:51 PM	#46
MikeandRaph87 Jedi Master Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: JLA Satellite Headquarters Posts: 11,189	Hob, you just gave me the crazy idea that Krang might be human and Shredder an alien. Talk about vice versa. It would be nice if Krang is an alien and Shredder a human as it should be. I would like to see Bebop and Rocsktedy beyond a nod. They are deserving of further use. It would be nice to see them get a little blood on thier hands beyond Bebop accidently killing Chrell. __________________ Michelangelo: This looks like a job for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles! Raphael: Sheesh, Mikey this ain't a cartoon!

01-06-2012, 04:35 PM	#57
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,685	I don't see the problem with Bebop and Rocksteady Andrew. The old cartoon took the Turtles, Casey, April, Leatherhead and such and made them sillier, but it worked for that show, despite how serious they might be in the source material. Why can't it also be in reverse? The Archie comics already showed a more dangerous competent Shredder, a Krang capable of genocide without batting an eye, and even Bebop and Rocksteady (what little we saw of them) were taken out in regular fights, rather than tripping them up with roller skates and stuff. I just feel they can work without changing too much of the intended characters. They're street thugs. They're mutant animals. They're not that bright but strong enough to throw cars and crap to make up for it. Take away the extra added silly shenanigans that season 2 and onward added and you basically got season 1 Bebop and Rocksteady with a lil blood on their hands. If Slash looked so bad-ass in the toy, and yet the toon made him goofy and stupid... and yet the Archie comics (and videogames) kept him closer to his sick murderous design... why can't Bebop and Rocksteady also maintain their original kick-ass toy design as well? Even the Shredder figure makes him a ninja, creator or mutagen and blah blah, but nowhere does it say 'he's Krang's whiney little bitch'. So I'm sure IDW can keep a more dangerous Season 1 Bebop and Rocksteady, cranked up a notch, and they'd still be the more serious equivalent of the old show. I don't know... I think I see them kicking ass and such like the equivalent of the 2003 He Man show when the characters were actually allowed to FIGHT and such. Even the dumbest of Skeletor's lackeys were still proven to be viscious and dangerous threats, rather than completely useless buffoons like in the 80's. I kinda think the whole 'stupid incompetent henchmen that makes you wonder why the main villian keeps them around' thing is dying out nowadays anyways. __________________ "I was down with TMNT once, but then they changed what TMNT was. Now what I was down with is no longer TMNT and what TMNT now is seems weird and scary. And it'll happen to YOU." Check out my blog for Comic Reviews and other things. https://markepicblogofrandomness.blogspot.com/ I also started The AEW Crew, the All Elite Wrestling Fan Club! https://www.facebook.com/groups/637508120044168/

01-05-2012, 11:19 AM	#43
Cowabunga Carl Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 2,384	What if Krang turns out to be an Utrom that tried to mutate himself but something went wrong. Like he was going to use the mutagen to make an army but something went wrong with it. Then somehow he finds out that it works on humans and animals of Earth so he came here to make his army.

01-05-2012, 11:48 AM	#45
Cowabunga Carl Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 2,384	I'm not against having outer space adventures or dealing with aliens. I mean when you look at the Mirage version by issue 4 they were dealing with aliens and going into outer space. Triceratons and Utroms have been a huge part of TMNT for a long time and I expect them to be for a while to come. So it would be very disappointing if Krang turned out to be human and there no aliens at all in this universe. I believe it was Peter who enjoyed the space aspect and Kevin that wanted the Turtles to be more grounded after all.

01-06-2012, 10:38 AM	#54
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,815	Human Bebop and Rocksteady seemed pretty stupid in that micro. Raph dispatches of them easily and Rocksteady says he's a juggernaut an then gets kicked.

01-07-2012, 04:56 PM	#58
MikeandRaph87 Jedi Master Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: JLA Satellite Headquarters Posts: 11,189	Krang used to look like this:http://tmnttoys.com/giantkrang.htm,but going by IDW's cover for #7 he looks like this: http://www.pbs.org/behindcloseddoors...es/stalin.html minus the mustache. I wonder if that was the idea or if I am reaching with the visual inspiration as far as the cover goes for #7. __________________ Michelangelo: This looks like a job for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles! Raphael: Sheesh, Mikey this ain't a cartoon!

01-14-2012, 11:43 AM	#60
Donnie Something from the Past Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: New York Posts: 3,256	Krang is Krang, I really think they are taking most cues from the OT concerning the character.