What will happen to the turtles?

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Krum

That's an interesting argument. In my opinion the turtles are not cultural icons like Superman. I think it's possible (if managed right) that they could be in another 30-50 years.

Noone has the time to invest in such a timeframe. Results should be more immediate than that. It didnt take Spider-Man the end of the 60s, the decade of his creation, before he had a cartoon and was established as THE go-to-guy fro Marvel. The TMNT are recognized the world over as a passing fad/brand that gets kicking every few years, but utlimately doesnt have the staying power to maintain a global interest. In 30-50 years, it will have the same level of fans, and by that point we'll be trying, and failing, to get our grandchildren interested in it long-term. They'll switch off after a year, maybe two.

Another thing that makes cultural icons interesting is their mythology. Spider-Man is perhaps the greatest cautionary tale in the history of comics folklore, what do the Turtles have? "Oh, someone killed our sensei's owner, let's retaliate and kill him in cold blood...HI KIDS, STAY IN SCHOOL". The mythology's been tweeked many times to make the Turtles a bit more lovable than something bloodthirsty redneck chavs would find endearing, but overall there generic action heroes, they don't have a really meaty modus operandi, they fight crime and get caught up in stuff "Daredevil" was doing years before them, that's it. No big moral lesson to learn here kiddies, no real hook for any of the characters, no investment. Just eat your cereal and shaddap.

If I had to pick any version of the TMNT as cultural icons, it would be the FW Turtles, who are wholesome, fun loving, and live life with continuous optimisum...but those Turtles were a lifetime ago, and outside of one reunion movie, havent resonated across generations. For the Turtles to become icons, a version has to endure across endless spectrums, but in this day and age of reboots and reimaginings, such a thing is impossible for it.

[BAXTER STOCKMAN 19]

what will happen? When Nick show ends then someone will make another one. And after that shows ends there will be another one. And this will continue forever! Turtles will NEVER NEVER DIE! Even if they dont become as popular as Batman and Spiderman they will always be here! With evry new tv show they will become more and more popular. But do you ask about what will happen in the future when the 2012 show has not even begun yet?!

[Stingray69]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

if I had to pick any version of the TMNT as cultural icons, it would be the FW Turtles, who are wholesome, fun loving, and live life with continuous optimisum...but those Turtles were a lifetime ago, and outside of one reunion movie, havent resonated across generations. For the Turtles to become icons, a version has to endure across endless spectrums, but in this day and age of reboots and reimaginings, such a thing is impossible for it.

Why does just one version need to resonate across generations? Superman, batman, spiderman and the likes are getting reboots every time you turn around and are changing everything about the charactors.

Fact is no one can say for sure if they will be around in 50 years. No one can say if superman will be around in 50 years they way he is today either. The facted that tmnt has been around for what 28 years now shows they have staying power. They have carried across 4 gens of kids now. Now im not saying there at spiderman levels currently but in the future and under nick who knows they might get there once again. I mean there was a time when they where the favorite over superman, spiderman and batman.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Stingray69

Why does just one version need to resonate across generations? Superman, batman, spiderman and the likes are getting reboots every time you turn around and are changing everything about the charactors.

Because one version of the mythology is, and ought to be, enough. Reboots used to be a big deal, but now there just annoying, and create endless debates over which is better, noone can sit down and digest any of them

Batman: TAS is the definitive mythology for Batman, with most of the comics output taking pointers and characters from it, where as Richard Donner's Superman fuelled most of the Superman comics over the last decade or so.

Spider-Man may have had a continuity hiccup thanks to that stupid deal with the devil, but Marvel for the most part have said "everything since the 60s still happened, only the marraige and MJ's pregnancy didnt happen", so fans can rest a little easy there knowing most of the original history is still intact. Frankly, I think the best continuity for Spider-Man is the MC2 Universe, where the marraige and pregnancy (as well as all the big deaths in the 80s and 90s) are still valid, and the mythology is furthered by Peter and MJ's daughter being allowed to grow and evolve.

I mean there was a time when they where the favorite over superman, spiderman and batman.

Keep dreaming. That never happened.

Originally Posted by BAXTER STOCKMAN 19

With evry new tv show they will become more and more popular

No they won't. As I said, new audiences will soon abandon each show after a year or two and it'll just be us die-hards that'll keep watching it.

[The Stryker]

Originally Posted by Stingray69

The facted that tmnt has been around for what 28 years now shows they have staying power.

And they've been popular for what....4 years out of that 28? C'mon son.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

Originally Posted by Stryker

Simpsons symbolized and revolutionized a TV generation and continues to make money and remain popular.

TMNT is still a fad from the 80s for the most part.

First of all I like the Simpsons, I really loved th first 8 seasons or so, but have you actually sat down and watched the newer eps

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by TheBlueTurtle1

First of all I like the Simpsons, I really loved th first 8 seasons or so, but have you actually sat down and watched the newer eps

It's only bitter online virgins who think the show should have died after Mike Scully took over. Reallisticly, the show is still as popular as ever with the mainstream (you know, the audience that matters). If everyone thought the way you did, The Simpsons would be ended by now. It hasnt.

[The Stryker]

Originally Posted by TheBlueTurtle1

First of all I like the Simpsons, I really loved th first 8 seasons or so, but have you actually sat down and watched the newer eps

Yes I have and I don't really care for them but it doesn't change what I said at all.

I'd take the worst Simpsons episode over anything Ninja Turtle related thing released in the past 10 years. Just sayin.

[CyberCubed]

The difference is DC and Marvel are huge companies (especially now that Marvel is also owned by Disney), that have millions to spend to keep Batman, Superman, Spiderman, etc. relevant for decades.

TMNT was owned by an obscure company who was primarily interested in comics and just licensed the franchise out to Fred Wolf and 4kids to make cartoons out of.

Now that TMNT is owned by Nick, it has the potential to be much bigger.

[The Stryker]

As Zarius said, Spider-man and Superman were cultural icons within a 4 year span of their debuts. The big company help didn't come until way later.

The importance of those characters made the comic companies appealing for Warner Bros and Disney to purchase.

[CyberCubed]

There wasn't much competition back in the 40's and 60's though, were there? Superheroes were a brand new thing at the time, not commonplace like they are now.

The only other big animation shows at the time were Mickey Mouse, Bugs Bunny, Tom and Jerry, Popeye and all those other classic cartoons.

Its no surprise that all the superheroes who basically debuted at the dawn of comics and animation became the most popular.

[The Stryker]

Well that's more evidence to the feeling of TMNT never reaching that height to me. It's a vastly different time.

[BAXTER STOCKMAN 19]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Because one version of the mythology is, and ought to be, enough. Reboots used to be a big deal, but now there just annoying, and create endless debates over which is better, noone can sit down and digest any of them

Batman: TAS is the definitive mythology for Batman, with most of the comics output taking pointers and characters from it, where as Richard Donner's Superman fuelled most of the Superman comics over the last decade or so.

Spider-Man may have had a continuity hiccup thanks to that stupid deal with the devil, but Marvel for the most part have said "everything since the 60s still happened, only the marraige and MJ's pregnancy didnt happen", so fans can rest a little easy there knowing most of the original history is still intact. Frankly, I think the best continuity for Spider-Man is the MC2 Universe, where the marraige and pregnancy (as well as all the big deaths in the 80s and 90s) are still valid, and the mythology is furthered by Peter and MJ's daughter being allowed to grow and evolve.





Keep dreaming. That never happened.



No they won't. As I said, new audiences will soon abandon each show after a year or two and it'll just be us die-hards that'll keep watching it.

how do you know that new audience will abandon it after a year or two? 4 years ago, i talked to a friend of mine about TMNT. He didnt know anything about them until then. Then, i gave him the 2003 series to see and he liked it so much that i decided to give him the 1987 series too that he is curently watching . He is also looking forward to the Nick show. see? This man became a very big tmnt fan thanks to me . Now he knows evrything about TMNT, and no one can imagine that 4 years ago he didnt know anything about them! But of course not all people are like him. Months ago i watched some episodes of tmnt with my girlfriend (she also didnt know anything about tmnt) and she didnt like it at all and even told me that she dont want to watch more episodes anymore. The best way to make tmnt more popular will be if we talk about it to people we know and try to convice them to start watching it

[corvus]

This does seem a little soon for a reboot to be honest. I could see this going for one season and not being renewed. I mean I may be wrong and the tmnt will burst into the mainstream once more in all their glory.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by corvus

This does seem a little soon for a reboot to be honest. I could see this going for one season and not being renewed.

What the hell? Nick purchased the entire TMNT IP for $60 million. Why the hell do you think they own the entire franchise for? You really think they're going to make 1 season and cancel it when its their OWN SERIES?

What part of Nick owns TMNT 100% do you not understand? Its their own flagship series now, they already said they want the new show to be as big as Spongebob was.

I really don't understand what you're thinking. Nick is going to give the series star treatment on Nickleodeon because they paid $60 million for the franchise. How the hell do you expect them to make back that $60 million investment from 1 season?

Most likely they'll keep the show airing for quite a number of years, the mere fact that it'll air on Nickelodeon assures that it will get better ratings than the 4kids show did...and that lasted 7 seasons.

[Stingray69]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Because one version of the mythology is, and ought to be, enough. Reboots used to be a big deal, but now there just annoying, and create endless debates over which is better, noone can sit down and digest any of them

Batman: TAS is the definitive mythology for Batman, with most of the comics output taking pointers and characters from it, where as Richard Donner's Superman fuelled most of the Superman comics over the last decade or so.

Spider-Man may have had a continuity hiccup thanks to that stupid deal with the devil, but Marvel for the most part have said "everything since the 60s still happened, only the marraige and MJ's pregnancy didnt happen", so fans can rest a little easy there knowing most of the original history is still intact. Frankly, I think the best continuity for Spider-Man is the MC2 Universe, where the marraige and pregnancy (as well as all the big deaths in the 80s and 90s) are still valid, and the mythology is furthered by Peter and MJ's daughter being allowed to grow and evolve.



Keep dreaming. That never happened.

If they dont reboot and evolve how are they suppose to stay relavant and stick around? Spidey just got a reboot and supermans getting one next year.


Yea right if you would have asked any kid in the late 80's early 90's who they liked better. Batman, superman, spiderman or tmnt I bet most would say tmnt

[shuriken]

Originally Posted by Stingray69

Yea right if you would have asked any kid in the late 80's early 90's who they liked better. Batman, superman, spiderman or tmnt I bet most would say tmnt

I'd say Batman would edge out TMNT just a bit. But the TMNT exploded with the Fred Wolfe series, and I doubt they'll ever be that big again. They WERE a global phenomenon, but that same explosion was their downfall. To most people it was a fad, just a phase. I love TMNT to death, but it won't ever be as big as Spider-man, Batman or Superman (they're around Hellboy level popularity I would say, lower than Transformers but higher than Jem). In Many ways that's better for the TMNT, which to be honest is pretty damn niche, even for comic books. Just be glad with what you have now. I'm enjoying IDW's take on the TMNT, way more than volume 4 which looking back just kinda shows how disconnected Laird got from the TMNT and it's fans.
What would happen to the turtles once the Nick show ends? I dunno, but IDW will continue making comics as long as people keep buying. Then depending if there is an interested party to bring em back then they will.

[ZariusTwo]

The IDW books are utter thrash. I loved Volume Four, and felt Peter was being attacked unfairly by the virgins upset with the changes he was making. Yeah it was decompressed, but Brian Michale Bendis was making a fortune off of that style at Marvel.

For some reason, fans chose to make Laird a target of their ire far more than Eastman, who gets a lot more respect and admiration. I don't understand it, Laird kept the TMNT brand name alive and was a driving force behind the 4Kids cartoon, and the treatment he got from the fans was shameful.

That line about Laird being "disconnected" from TMNT and the fans is your average entitled elitist horses*it by the way.

Yea right if you would have asked any kid in the late 80's early 90's who they liked better. Batman, superman, spiderman or tmnt I bet most would say tmnt

Keep dreaming ya deluded muppet.

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by zkarlette

What?... I believe that they already are.

Originally Posted by Jester

The Turtles are nowhere as big as Batman or Superman. Sure they may have some staying power, but Batman and Superman have been around since the 40's. They are cultural icons. The Turtles are just a fad by comparison.

Agreed they are were more of an 80's/90's fad, but with Peter Laird keeping the turtles alive with with he 4kids show and then eventually selling the them to Nick for the good of the fandom, (and Im sure he was tired)

Originally Posted by MrPliggins

The surge in popularity the Turtles are receiving now lead me to believe that they'll be around for a good while. After the show gets cancelled, there will be another and another. The Turtles could possibly become as iconic as Batman or Superman. Only time will tell.

Lets hope so, I think we are seeing the turtles being turned from a fad into a actual iconic super-heroes. But lets hope Nick gets the job done

[CyberCubed]

TMNT is more succesfull than any other 80's reboot.

He-man failed, Thundercats will probably get canceled soon, and I doubt the new Voltron will do any good.