What is your least favorite TMNT animated series? - Page 3

*plastroncafe* · 02-13-2013, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I'm just curious when the last time was you actually sat through the series? And I don't mean one random episode in a blue moon, I mean actually sat down to watch through it?

You're not just curious, you said you were willing to bet, and I'm calling that bluff. What are you willing to bet?

I don't deny that the OT will probably be the best remembered version of the franchise, I just don't believe it's the best incarnation of the characters. Popular does not automatically equal good.

Remember the question was what is "YOUR" least favorite TMNT cartoon, not what is THE least favorite TMNT cartoon. Huge difference between the two.

*CyberCubed* · 02-13-2013, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by plastroncafe

You're not just curious, you said you were willing to bet, and I'm calling that bluff. What are you willing to bet?

I don't deny that the OT will probably be the best remembered version of the franchise, I just don't believe it's the best incarnation of the characters. Popular does not automatically equal good.

Remember the question was what is "YOUR" least favorite TMNT cartoon, not what is THE least favorite TMNT cartoon. Huge difference between the two.

But you're confusing my point with Zarius. I don't care what show is the most remembered by the general public. You said the show holds up only because of nostalgia and I was calling you out on it. Most of us didn't even remember the episodes until we watched them on DVD as adults.

I also find it telling you didn't answer my question of when the last time you watched through it was. If you can't even remember what most of the show was actually like, don't say it only holds up because of people's childhood memories.

*plastroncafe* · 02-13-2013, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

But you're confusing my point with Zarius. I don't care what show is the most remembered by the general public. You said the show holds up only because of nostalgia and I was calling you out on it. Most of us didn't even remember the episodes until we watched them on DVD as adults.

I also find it telling you didn't answer my question of when the last time you watched through it was. If you can't even remember what most of the show was actually like, don't say it only holds up because of people's memories.o

First of all, my comment was just that: Mine.
The "for me" is implied. Most of you probably don't remember the episodes, but I do. I was in my teens when the show hit its main stride. I have very vivid memories of programming my vcr to make sure I caught episodes on Saturday mornings I was unlucky enough to have to work.

Secondly, I'm not answering your question until you answer mine. Tell me what you're going to give me should I win your bet, and then we'll talk how long it's been since I've done a full OT canon rewatch.

*shuriken* · 02-13-2013, 04:44 PM

I can't vote on it. I'm kinda leaning towards Fred Wolfe, but only because there were so many episodes. Seasons 1,2,5, and 8 were fantastic, but even those had some duds. The self aware humor and the ridiculousness was a part of the fun. Aside from some very bad episodes in the 197 episode run and some dated animation it's still enjoyable.
Nick hasn't had a dud yet and is wholly entertaining. It's got great animation, a nice voice cast and overall it's a good toon.
2K3 had some terrible episodes, but also had some great ones. It was kind of snotty with its jabs to the OT but overall it set itself apart by trying to be more like Mirage and a bit heavier than the previous series did. It took itself too seriously at times to the point of becoming unintentionally humorous. The show is a bit dated but not much. we'll see in the next 10 years. I will say it is def the least popular of the TMNT series in general.

**Jester** · 02-13-2013, 05:43 PM

Don't mind Cubed, Plastron. He doesn't understand people have opinions that vary from his.

02-13-2013, 05:47 PM

FF series or BTS.

*Coola Yagami* · 02-13-2013, 07:01 PM

2K3 sadly. It has become the middle child. The OT is great as a classic and I'm having fun introducing my girl to the series, and of course the new show is just awesome. The 2k3 just kinda loses out IMO. For some reason it feels dated and 'tried too hard to be cool'. The 80's show gets a free pass because it's the 80's and you expect it to be dated by now and it never tried to be anything other than what it is.

*Donatello19* · 02-13-2013, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by shreddinghead

FF series or BTS.

That would count as the 4kids 2003 series.

*Jephael* · 02-13-2013, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jester

Some think the Fred Wolf series has aged like fine wine...others milk.

Love that analogy!!!

FearlessLeader · 02-13-2013, 07:59 PM

Some of it might also just have to do with which universe of the Turtles is your favorite. I love the Mirage comics and so my favorite TV series is 2K3. In fact I just rewatched some this past weekend because of the anniversary of when it first aired and it blew me away again just how much better I feel it is then either of the other shows.

I like all 3 for different reasons so I can't really pick a least favorite, I think they do all have merits and faults.

*Cure* · 02-13-2013, 08:12 PM

The 4Kids version for me. I've seen every episode, but a lot of it was done begrudgingly so.

Teddy · 02-13-2013, 08:12 PM

I grew up watching the OT and loved it back then, but now that I'm grown up I do like the two more recent series better. The OT is just too silly to watch, sometimes painfully so.

*pannoni1* · 02-13-2013, 08:50 PM

If it weren't for the fact that the OT was a major part of my childhood and still see it as a gateway to my past, I probably would have voted for that. But I never was aware of the 4kids during its run except for a vogue watching. It just seemed to abrupt from the OT/movies for me to enjoy it. The executive meddling during the final three seasons of 4kids doesn't help, plus there is always the Mirage comics to enjoy the story as it was originally told. 4kids unfortunately had erratic pacing at times, especially in Season 2 with all those multiparters. At least it had Turtles Forever. At least the OT created lots of original material that was never touched in the comics and feels much more independent than any other universe. Nick TMNT has feels independent enough while providing enough Easter Eggs and slapstick to give it a spiritual successor designation to the OT.

rpd123 · 02-13-2013, 09:24 PM

I have to go with the 1987 Fred Wolf. It's not bad by any means but I think the other two are better. The recent series is a little weird for me because of the CGI but I still like it. The 2003 one is my favorite. It had a more serious tone but was still humorous. It was great.

And in regards to comments at the beginning of the thread, I don't think that the allusions to the original series were meant in mean spirit, just in fun. That's why I liked Turtles Forever so much. They poked fun at each other. It wasn't just the OT getting ragged on, the 2K3 Turtles were insulted by the Mirage Turtles. It was a cool and funny way of acknowledging how the Turtles have changed over the years, which I liked.

Pterobat · 02-13-2013, 09:27 PM

Eh...probably 2012. And I've seen all of these series recently, so it's not nostalgia talking.

There's nothing particularly wrong with the 2012 show, but it just hasn't clicked with me. I tune in every week, though.

OT vs. 2003:

There's the old line that the best parodies are made by people who love the source material, and brother, Turtles Forever proves it. I don't get a mean-spirited vibe from it at all, especially since the OT characters are capable of helping out.

Being honest about the faults of something doesn't mean you hate it or are trying to cut it down. Sometimes...you just got to say it.

*CyberCubed* · 02-13-2013, 10:35 PM

The OT was silly, but it was the GOOD kind of silly. The show made fun of itself. The flaws that it did have (like the animation mistakes) oddly added to its charm.

And I will say the best episodes of the OT are probably more entertaining than the best episodes of the other series, except for the really top tier 4kids episodes. Although I will agree that the worst episodes of the OT were worse than the worst episodes of the other series.

The OT isn't still liked because of nostalgia, its still liked because it was an entertaining cartoon. Its amazing how a show that was episodic and followed a repetitive structure could still be so entertaining at the same time.

If only they used some of the recurring characters a little better and the censors didn't come down on Mike's chucks and some of the fight scenes in the middle seasons, it would have been fantastic.

Longview01 · 02-14-2013, 03:19 AM

Prob the newest series, hasn't had enough time to grow on me yet.

Ask this question again in 3 years time and my answer will prob be different.

*MrPliggins* · 02-14-2013, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Meh, I know a lot of people who were like you once with certain shows from their childhoods. They all grew out of that phase and went back to enjoying them.

I can still enjoy it just fine. I think it has more to do with burnout from watching it so much in the old days. Still a good show, though.

zodiac brave · 02-14-2013, 01:45 PM

its a toss up between the OT and 4Kids for me.

granted, i watched the bulk of the OT when it originally aired and i only own seasons 1, 2 and 3 on dvd, but I have watched them regularly over the years and im currently watching season 10 for the first time since it originally aired. a lot of it is hard to pay attention to. for me, it truly does come down to nostalgia, because for the most part the writing is HORRIBLE. "fun, self-aware" humor is easy to write, especially when its supposed to be funny, simply because "Its Supposed To Be Funny". some of the eps and arcs are truly good, though and if i had a small child this is what i would introduce them to first. as a matter of fact, i just told one of my best friends about the turtle van set and he immediately went out and bought it and is now introducing it to his young sons. thats awesome.

4Kids is something that came out when i was shifting focus from geek stuff to growing up and moving out, so i only caught some of the first 2 season as they aired and am currently watching the rest of it. i'm on season 5 and im loving it, but the attempt to make it more relatable to older kids and its conscious decision to go in a "darker" direction was a risk that sometimes comes off as forced. a lot of these eps and arcs are really good, also, but another thing that weakens it in my opinion, is the weird characterizations of raph and mike. just TOO MUCH sometimes.

in the end, i suppose if i could only take 2 of the series with me to a deserted island, the one i'd leave behind would be 4kids. while its awesome, and i can appreciate the technical artistry that went into every facet of it, nostalgia wins and i'd rather have the OT and nick series.

*snake* · 02-14-2013, 01:47 PM

I know I might get a lot of hate for this but 4kids, I never liked the feel of the show, sure the darker settings and comic adaptions were cool, some episodes were amazing ( most of season one) and some bad ( garbageman) and some I found boring ( notes from the underground)

View Poll Results: What is your least favorite TMNT animated series?
1987 Fred Wolf Series	31	33.70%
2003 4Kids Series	42	45.65%
2012 Nickelodeon Series	19	20.65%
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02-13-2013, 04:44 PM	#44
shuriken Second City Shinobi Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Chi-town Posts: 4,182	I can't vote on it. I'm kinda leaning towards Fred Wolfe, but only because there were so many episodes. Seasons 1,2,5, and 8 were fantastic, but even those had some duds. The self aware humor and the ridiculousness was a part of the fun. Aside from some very bad episodes in the 197 episode run and some dated animation it's still enjoyable. Nick hasn't had a dud yet and is wholly entertaining. It's got great animation, a nice voice cast and overall it's a good toon. 2K3 had some terrible episodes, but also had some great ones. It was kind of snotty with its jabs to the OT but overall it set itself apart by trying to be more like Mirage and a bit heavier than the previous series did. It took itself too seriously at times to the point of becoming unintentionally humorous. The show is a bit dated but not much. we'll see in the next 10 years. I will say it is def the least popular of the TMNT series in general. __________________ Some things are better left unsaid. This isn't one of them

02-13-2013, 05:43 PM	#45
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02-13-2013, 07:01 PM	#47
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,709	2K3 sadly. It has become the middle child. The OT is great as a classic and I'm having fun introducing my girl to the series, and of course the new show is just awesome. The 2k3 just kinda loses out IMO. For some reason it feels dated and 'tried too hard to be cool'. The 80's show gets a free pass because it's the 80's and you expect it to be dated by now and it never tried to be anything other than what it is. __________________ "I was down with TMNT once, but then they changed what TMNT was. Now what I was down with is no longer TMNT and what TMNT now is seems weird and scary. And it'll happen to YOU." Check out my blog for Comic Reviews and other things. https://markepicblogofrandomness.blogspot.com/ I also started The AEW Crew, the All Elite Wrestling Fan Club! https://www.facebook.com/groups/637508120044168/

02-13-2013, 07:59 PM	#50
FearlessLeader Mad Scientist Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Watching Space Heroes Posts: 1,048	Some of it might also just have to do with which universe of the Turtles is your favorite. I love the Mirage comics and so my favorite TV series is 2K3. In fact I just rewatched some this past weekend because of the anniversary of when it first aired and it blew me away again just how much better I feel it is then either of the other shows. I like all 3 for different reasons so I can't really pick a least favorite, I think they do all have merits and faults. __________________ Artwork by Jim Lawson

02-13-2013, 05:47 PM	#46
shreddinghead Guest Posts: n/a	FF series or BTS.

02-13-2013, 08:12 PM	#51
Cure Y'all need Jesus Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 8,938	The 4Kids version for me. I've seen every episode, but a lot of it was done begrudgingly so. __________________

02-13-2013, 08:12 PM	#52
Teddy Hench Mutant Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Sweden Posts: 368	I grew up watching the OT and loved it back then, but now that I'm grown up I do like the two more recent series better. The OT is just too silly to watch, sometimes painfully so. __________________

02-13-2013, 08:50 PM	#53
pannoni1 Foot Elite Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: USA Posts: 3,447	If it weren't for the fact that the OT was a major part of my childhood and still see it as a gateway to my past, I probably would have voted for that. But I never was aware of the 4kids during its run except for a vogue watching. It just seemed to abrupt from the OT/movies for me to enjoy it. The executive meddling during the final three seasons of 4kids doesn't help, plus there is always the Mirage comics to enjoy the story as it was originally told. 4kids unfortunately had erratic pacing at times, especially in Season 2 with all those multiparters. At least it had Turtles Forever. At least the OT created lots of original material that was never touched in the comics and feels much more independent than any other universe. Nick TMNT has feels independent enough while providing enough Easter Eggs and slapstick to give it a spiritual successor designation to the OT. __________________ http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/sho...d.php?t=37065- MY WANT LIST TMNT FAN CLUB LINK: http://sot.ag/gCjK/ 30 years of Turtle Power!

02-13-2013, 09:24 PM	#54
rpd123 Thug Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 50	I have to go with the 1987 Fred Wolf. It's not bad by any means but I think the other two are better. The recent series is a little weird for me because of the CGI but I still like it. The 2003 one is my favorite. It had a more serious tone but was still humorous. It was great. And in regards to comments at the beginning of the thread, I don't think that the allusions to the original series were meant in mean spirit, just in fun. That's why I liked Turtles Forever so much. They poked fun at each other. It wasn't just the OT getting ragged on, the 2K3 Turtles were insulted by the Mirage Turtles. It was a cool and funny way of acknowledging how the Turtles have changed over the years, which I liked.

02-13-2013, 09:27 PM	#55
Pterobat Hench Mutant Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 380	Eh...probably 2012. And I've seen all of these series recently, so it's not nostalgia talking. There's nothing particularly wrong with the 2012 show, but it just hasn't clicked with me. I tune in every week, though. OT vs. 2003: There's the old line that the best parodies are made by people who love the source material, and brother, Turtles Forever proves it. I don't get a mean-spirited vibe from it at all, especially since the OT characters are capable of helping out. Being honest about the faults of something doesn't mean you hate it or are trying to cut it down. Sometimes...you just got to say it. __________________ "No live organism can continue for long to exist sanely under conditions of absolute reality; even larks and katydids are supposed, by some, to dream"--Shirley Jackson http://pterobat.tumblr.com

02-13-2013, 10:35 PM	#56
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,872	The OT was silly, but it was the GOOD kind of silly. The show made fun of itself. The flaws that it did have (like the animation mistakes) oddly added to its charm. And I will say the best episodes of the OT are probably more entertaining than the best episodes of the other series, except for the really top tier 4kids episodes. Although I will agree that the worst episodes of the OT were worse than the worst episodes of the other series. The OT isn't still liked because of nostalgia, its still liked because it was an entertaining cartoon. Its amazing how a show that was episodic and followed a repetitive structure could still be so entertaining at the same time. If only they used some of the recurring characters a little better and the censors didn't come down on Mike's chucks and some of the fight scenes in the middle seasons, it would have been fantastic.

02-14-2013, 03:19 AM	#57
Longview01 Foot Soldier Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 202	Prob the newest series, hasn't had enough time to grow on me yet. Ask this question again in 3 years time and my answer will prob be different.

02-14-2013, 01:45 PM	#59
zodiac brave Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: san antonio, tx Posts: 822	its a toss up between the OT and 4Kids for me. granted, i watched the bulk of the OT when it originally aired and i only own seasons 1, 2 and 3 on dvd, but I have watched them regularly over the years and im currently watching season 10 for the first time since it originally aired. a lot of it is hard to pay attention to. for me, it truly does come down to nostalgia, because for the most part the writing is HORRIBLE. "fun, self-aware" humor is easy to write, especially when its supposed to be funny, simply because "Its Supposed To Be Funny". some of the eps and arcs are truly good, though and if i had a small child this is what i would introduce them to first. as a matter of fact, i just told one of my best friends about the turtle van set and he immediately went out and bought it and is now introducing it to his young sons. thats awesome. 4Kids is something that came out when i was shifting focus from geek stuff to growing up and moving out, so i only caught some of the first 2 season as they aired and am currently watching the rest of it. i'm on season 5 and im loving it, but the attempt to make it more relatable to older kids and its conscious decision to go in a "darker" direction was a risk that sometimes comes off as forced. a lot of these eps and arcs are really good, also, but another thing that weakens it in my opinion, is the weird characterizations of raph and mike. just TOO MUCH sometimes. in the end, i suppose if i could only take 2 of the series with me to a deserted island, the one i'd leave behind would be 4kids. while its awesome, and i can appreciate the technical artistry that went into every facet of it, nostalgia wins and i'd rather have the OT and nick series. __________________ what we were after, was lashings of ultra-violence.

02-14-2013, 01:47 PM	#60
snake Disgusting Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Outer Heaven Posts: 12,231	I know I might get a lot of hate for this but 4kids, I never liked the feel of the show, sure the darker settings and comic adaptions were cool, some episodes were amazing ( most of season one) and some bad ( garbageman) and some I found boring ( notes from the underground)