If Bishop appears in the nick show, how should he be featured?

[Cowabunga Carl]

I think Bishop in this show would be very interesting. I mean the fact that there was an Earth Protection Force in the Invasion episodes, it just makes sense there would be someone in charge. I don't think he has to be inept at his job, as the Kraang are not wide spread and for the most part seem pretty good at hiding as most of the world doesn't know about them.

[victory_angel]

Originally Posted by Cowabunga Carl

I think Bishop in this show would be very interesting. I mean the fact that there was an Earth Protection Force in the Invasion episodes, it just makes sense there would be someone in charge. I don't think he has to be inept at his job, as the Kraang are not wide spread and for the most part seem pretty good at hiding as most of the world doesn't know about them.

This. It would be cool to see a mutant round up in the city and having them put in a containment facility. Tiger Claw and Razar, same with Rocksteady and bebop are able to avoid the round ups or escape the EPF rounding up the mutants, but Fishface and Stockman do not and the last moment before they are taken away he see the Shredder turning and walking away as though he has lost nothing. Bishop would use DNA Samples of all the mutants including Splinter and the Turtles to create an army of cloned super warriors which he calls slayers. Who have the purpose of hunting down all alien filth and destroying them.

[The Big Bad]

Originally Posted by Cowabunga Carl

I don't think he has to be inept at his job[...]

Actually, he kinda has to. What, in the end, stopped Kraang Prime? A taser. One with a heck of a lot of electricity behind it, but in the end, still something that can be easily replicated by anyone with enough drive and resources, which are both things 4Kids Bishop had to spare. If the turtles can keep the Kraang on the ropes for this long, then there's no reason why the E.P.F. shouldn't have been able to do the more easily and efficiently. And yet here we are; unless season 3 takes a drastic swerve and shows that the E.P.F. has defeated the Kraang while the turtles were away, there's no way one can really take them as competent enough to be a factor. Bishop and the Earth Protection Force, as originally conceived cannot, fit in this series.

What could have fit? Something smaller. I'm thinking that an E.P.F. more akin to something like Torchwood Cardiff--a five-person squad working out of a single basement would have better fit the show. Unfortunately, that's not what we're getting.

[victory_angel]

I can see Bishop being subtlely hinted at until close to the end, so we know he's going to be a gray area villain. He's not a bad man, he has good reasons for doing what he does. But he's not above sacrificing a few innocents particularly if said innocents are mutants because few to no one would miss them. Partularly when considering the big picture of protecting the humanity and the earth itself from inhuman threats.

If a good genes situation was to arise. I think it should be a man made attemt at retromutagen. Unfortunately it only succeeds at causing more mutations which also spreads mutations like a zombie outbreak. I.E. if you are scratched or bitten you mutate.

Donnie is scratched by one, but nothing happens at first leading the Turtles into a false of complacency until Donnie gets sick. However this could occur during the Dark Raph arc, so if they couldn't affort a Turtle getting sick it would be that time.

Again they don't equate it with the scratch Donnie received until he suddenly undergos a transformation. Forcing April, Casey, and the Turtles to turn to Bishop.

And for people who feel that this should be someone other then Donnie. Maybe Leo and Mikey get scratched to just at a later event. But in 2k3 one of Leo's intros he says "If it had been any of them, then they would have immedately looked for Donnie for a cure." So it would make sense for it to be the one person they would look to help fight against the mutation outbreak.

[JTH]

Originally Posted by victory_angel

And for people who feel that this should be someone other then Donnie. Maybe Leo and Mikey get scratched to just at a later event. But in 2k3 one of Leo's intros he says "If it had been any of them, then they would have immedately looked for Donnie for a cure." So it would make sense for it to be the one person they would look to help fight against the mutation outbreak.

To me it has to be Donnie, because it's the only way it actually adds stakes to the conflict and fear of being unable to fix the problem.

Donatello gets built up to be smarter and smarter as the TMNT universe has expanded that there is almost be no emotional investment into the story if another turtle is mutated, because you know Donnie will find a way to save the day. Heck it took him 14 episodes to make a cure for the mutagen and realizing April's DNA was actually an essential component to the forumal, in terms of a show, that is preposterously fast and is insanely smart. If it's not Donnie mutated, it's dare I say almost anti-climatic.

When it's Donnie, it opens the mind of the viewer wondering how the others can actually help him because they have zero knowledge of how to help him. In 2K3, the turtles don't turn to the bad guy for help if it's not Donatello; Donnie would save the day and we'd move on.

The one effected is what made the "Good Genes" saga so compelling.

[PangolinFeets]

Lady Bishop.
*hate wait*

[travelingcat]

The Nick writers would axe her pretty quickly.

[victory_angel]

Originally Posted by JTH

To me it has to be Donnie, because it's the only way it actually adds stakes to the conflict and fear of being unable to fix the problem.

Donatello gets built up to be smarter and smarter as the TMNT universe has expanded that there is almost be no emotional investment into the story if another turtle is mutated, because you know Donnie will find a way to save the day. Heck it took him 14 episodes to make a cure for the mutagen and realizing April's DNA was actually an essential component to the forumal, in terms of a show, that is preposterously fast and is insanely smart. If it's not Donnie mutated, it's dare I say almost anti-climatic.

When it's Donnie, it opens the mind of the viewer wondering how the others can actually help him because they have zero knowledge of how to help him. In 2K3, the turtles don't turn to the bad guy for help if it's not Donatello; Donnie would save the day and we'd move on. The one effected is what made the story so compelling.

The "Good Genes" saga worked so well because of who was affected.

That and in this particular incarnation all the sciencey stuff and technological stuff has gone to Donnie. And everyone has taken his skills for granted, there is very little thanks or appriciation for all he does for the family and the team. Same is said for Mikey about how he comes up with an idea and it's shot down as worthless simply because he's the one who came up with it. Only for it to turn out that was the right course of action.

However while Mikey is the heart of the team, Donnie is the nervice system. You can take out a Leo, Raph, or Mikey and the team would funtion just not as well as they did when they had four. The second part of invasion can attest to that.

But if you take out Donnie, everything tries to function...but eventaully it just falls apart. And that was what was so significant with same as it never was and Good Genes were significant because they essentually depict everything falling apart without Donnie ballencing out the team.

In Good Genes you see that in the behavior of everyone.

Splinter is reeling because this is another potental loss in his life. With the 2012 Splinter this would be even more disheartening as to has said his sons are his family and they are all he has left.

Raph is a time bomb that could go off at any moment and gets more volital as time progresses. He pretty much wants blood, he wants to punch a cure out of Bishop. And if there was no cure he wants to make the person responcible to make a cure in the next five seconds or otherwise they are going to physically feel all the pain and suffering the family is going through.

2012 Raph would be the same. He's the protector of the family so if someone got hurt, he'd want blood. He doesn't care who he has to hit or how many he just knows someone has got to pay for hurting his brother like this.

Mikey was the most heart breaking. Because after they capture and contained Donatello. He is shown kneeling on the floor looking up at this thing that used to be his kind hearted genius older brother with a lost expression.
And then later he's shown treating the whole situation is no worse then Donnie being in bed with a cold.

2012 Mikey would try to stay strong for everyone. He wants to keep up the optimism that yes they will find a cure and everything will be just fine. I can see him sitting with Donnie and telling him memories of when they were kids and stuff in order to help keep Donnie's mind with them. But everyone particularly April and Raph are worried about him because Donnie isn't just his immediate older brother, he's also one of Mikey's buddies. So losing him would have a huge impact on Mikey that the poor little guy may not recover from.

Leo is the more profound. He wants to find a way to cure Donnie, but he is at a loss for what to do because the only person he could turn to about this situation is the situation. And of course as leader and eldest brother he is reluctantly considering what my need to happen if there is no cure or they aren't able to cure Donnie in time. And who should carry it out, and how it would impact the family mercy killing or not.

2012 Leo would be the same. He wants to find the means to restore his brother, maybe kicking himself for all the times he took Donnie for granted. But he's frustrated because Donnie was the only one who would know how to fix the situation. And he'd be worried about what he may have to do if they aren't able to cure Donnie.


April and Casey we don't see much about her. I mean when the tranformation happened she looked pretty concerned. About what happens and they were willing to help the Turtles get the Eye of Tengu. But I'm sure she was downright in tears off screen.

2012 April would be down right destrot about this. She would act as a go between Leo, Mikey, and Splinter while Casey may be there for Raph and April.