From an in-universe perspective, why did Crognard end the way it did?

[ssjup81]

Originally Posted by turtle1237

To see He-man and Thundarr lol. Well Reruns of the shows any way since my child hood ran for most the old Toon Ninja Turtles run.

Crognard, Yes I saw him get eating, I heard the crunching noises, but you have to remember, THIS IS A 1980's cartoon. We saw Crognard get impale, and perhaps off screen, burn, axe, cut up, and what ever else his enemies thrown at him. A little thing like getting eating is not going to kill a 1980's cartoon hero.

But Mikey checked the net to see if there were more eps and found out that that was indeed the final ep of the series.

[turtle1237]

Originally Posted by ssjup81

But Mikey checked the net to see if there were more eps and found out that that was indeed the final ep of the series.

Would not be the first time a show ending on a cliff hanger.

[ssjup81]

Originally Posted by turtle1237

Would not be the first time a show ending on a cliff hanger.

True, but I still feel it's meant to indicate that he's dead. The fact that it wasn't shown, but heard, says a lot. You heard the crunching sounds, a burp, and the spitting out of Crognard's crown because it would've been too gruesome to show in a kids show otherwise. What more do you need?

[Powder]

Crognard is not coming back.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Powder

Crognard is not coming back.

[Kingoji]

Wow. It's a cartoon within a cartoon that served its purpose. There's really no deeper discussion to be had here.

[turtle1237]

Originally Posted by Powder

Crognard is not coming back.

If Crognard is dead, than that means the greats like He-Man, Thundarr and Mighty Mightor could not defeat that dragon. And I wont buy that, I WONT BELIVE that.


If Mighty Mightor can trash a T-Rex, than he could handle that Dragon. Crognard is just playing possum.

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by turtle1237

If Crognard is dead, than that means the greats like He-Man, Thundarr and Mighty Mightor could not defeat that dragon. And I wont buy that, I WONT BELIVE that.


If Mighty Mightor can trash a T-Rex, than he could handle that Dragon. Crognard is just playing possum.

Boy, you really are a stubborn one ain't ya?

[Powder]

Originally Posted by turtle1237

If Crognard is dead, than that means the greats like He-Man, Thundarr and Mighty Mightor could not defeat that dragon. And I wont buy that, I WONT BELIVE that.


If Mighty Mightor can trash a T-Rex, than he could handle that Dragon. Crognard is just playing possum.

I know a good therapist if you're in New York.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by turtle1237

I never saw the Dungeons and Dragons cartoon series, but in Thundarr ,Ariel was eating by a fire whale with sharp teeth(Don't ask what a fire whale is, its the 1980's lol)

By all Rights Ariel should have died, but no not in Thundarr, he just goes over punches it a few times, opens its mouth and Ariel is free lol.

We saw Crognard get impale, If he can take a spear or in this case, LOTS of spears in the chest, than he can lived though getting eating.

Trust me. Not EVERY 80's cartoon had invulnerable heroes. See: Robotech, Starbalzers, GI Joe..... As for the D&D cartoon, as I mentioned before, it had characters die, as did even He-Man and She-Ra. Mayby not MAIN characters, but it happened all the same. And that bit with the spears was done for a joke. It was meant to imply that his pecs were hard enough to stop the spears. Nothing more.

Originally Posted by turtle1237

To see He-man and Thundarr lol. Well Reruns of the shows any way since my child hood ran for most the old Toon Ninja Turtles run.

Crognard, Yes I saw him get eating, I heard the crunching noises, but you have to remember, THIS IS A 1980's cartoon. We saw Crognard get impale, and perhaps off screen, burn, axe, cut up, and what ever else his enemies thrown at him. A little thing like getting eating is not going to kill a 1980's cartoon hero.

Not when it's the series finale. That pretty much makes it clear the hero is dead and NOT coming back. That's why it's a FIANLE! It's THE END.

Originally Posted by ssjup81

But Mikey checked the net to see if there were more eps and found out that that was indeed the final ep of the series.

Exactly. There was no way for him to come back if it's intended as the final episode. That was the whole POINT!

Originally Posted by turtle1237

Would not be the first time a show ending on a cliff hanger.

There's a difference between ending on a cliffhanger when a series simply doesn't get picked up for another season, and an actual intentional finale. Lost ended with everyone being dead- which was the original intention. This was the same sort of thing.

Originally Posted by turtle1237

If Crognard is dead, than that means the greats like He-Man, Thundarr and Mighty Mightor could not defeat that dragon. And I wont buy that, I WONT BELIVE that.


If Mighty Mightor can trash a T-Rex, than he could handle that Dragon. Crognard is just playing possum.

There's a difference between a T-rex and a five-headed dragon Queen! One's just a dinosaur. The OTHER could have obliterated him five different ways before eating him! (Because anyone who has seen the cartoon or played D&D knows that Tiamat has five different breath-weapons. Fire, lighting, acid, poison gas, and frost.) Not to mention having magic and extremely tough armored hide. That dragon was basically the dragon GOD.....

[turtle1237]

Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

Boy, you really are a stubborn one ain't ya?

But Crognard has the energy.

[turtle1237]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Trust me. Not EVERY 80's cartoon had invulnerable heroes. See: Robotech, Starbalzers, GI Joe..... As for the D&D cartoon, as I mentioned before, it had characters die, as did even He-Man and She-Ra. Mayby not MAIN characters, but it happened all the same. And that bit with the spears was done for a joke. It was meant to imply that his pecs were hard enough to stop the spears. Nothing more.





Not when it's the series finale. That pretty much makes it clear the hero is dead and NOT coming back. That's why it's a FIANLE! It's THE END.





Exactly. There was no way for him to come back if it's intended as the final episode. That was the whole POINT!





There's a difference between ending on a cliffhanger when a series simply doesn't get picked up for another season, and an actual intentional finale. Lost ended with everyone being dead- which was the original intention. This was the same sort of thing.





There's a difference between a T-rex and a five-headed dragon Queen! One's just a dinosaur. The OTHER could have obliterated him five different ways before eating him! (Because anyone who has seen the cartoon or played D&D knows that Tiamat has five different breath-weapons. Fire, lighting, acid, poison gas, and frost.) Not to mention having magic and extremely tough armored hide. That dragon was basically the dragon GOD.....

So This can beat



This?

Mightor has this lol.

Ok I still cant get that youtube thing to work, but its Crognard vs dragon and intro to Moby Dick and Mighty Mightor.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Let me stress this again. Tiamat (aka the dragon in Crognard) = DRAGON GOD. A literal deity of dragons, who is IMMORTAL!! Who also uses powerful magic, has the toughest hide of any dragon (which is incidentally far tougher than that of a T-rex), and is the mother of ALL dragons- in a literal sense. So, yeah, she can. There's a reason they call her the Dragon Queen. She has even killed other gods in the canon lore of D&D. So no, a "T-rex", no matter how bada$$, cannot beat that. You are talking to someone who has both watched and played D&D for YEARS, dude. And that's who Crognard was fighting, even if they never called her by name. So, yes, he was toast. And that Mightor would be, too. Even Godzilla/Mechagodzilla/Rodan/Mothra/whoever wouldn't stop her....

[ssjup81]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Trust me. Not EVERY 80's cartoon had invulnerable heroes. See: Robotech, Starbalzers, GI Joe..... As for the D&D cartoon, as I mentioned before, it had characters die, as did even He-Man and She-Ra. Mayby not MAIN characters, but it happened all the same. And that bit with the spears was done for a joke. It was meant to imply that his pecs were hard enough to stop the spears. Nothing more.





Not when it's the series finale. That pretty much makes it clear the hero is dead and NOT coming back. That's why it's a FIANLE! It's THE END.





Exactly. There was no way for him to come back if it's intended as the final episode. That was the whole POINT!





There's a difference between ending on a cliffhanger when a series simply doesn't get picked up for another season, and an actual intentional finale. Lost ended with everyone being dead- which was the original intention. This was the same sort of thing.





There's a difference between a T-rex and a five-headed dragon Queen! One's just a dinosaur. The OTHER could have obliterated him five different ways before eating him! (Because anyone who has seen the cartoon or played D&D knows that Tiamat has five different breath-weapons. Fire, lighting, acid, poison gas, and frost.) Not to mention having magic and extremely tough armored hide. That dragon was basically the dragon GOD.....

Not even Crognard's super strong pecs could protect him from those.

[LeoRaph]

It was a fitting end for the mindless heartless 'hero'.

I also think Crognard highlights what 'Not' to do as a hero, in fact I don't think he had any redeemable qualities at all, which is why I don't think he is Raph like. Sure Raph has a temper and can be guns blazing but he also has more to him than that, some of those qualities being: he actually has compassion, 'can' listen doesn't mean he will all the time, is actually pretty smart, particularly street smarts (survival), can be a great leader, is creative, and has more skill being you know an actual ninja than the hulk smash mentality. If anything I see Crognard as the Bayturtles

I also saw the 'ending of Crognard' as poking fun at Series that are suddenly cancelled where it's much like Mortal Kombat Conquest if anyone remembers that. Not in the way of stupidity of the heroes who actually weren't. But more so in the way they ended it. It was such a shame as it was actually pretty good. I liked it anyway. Bruce Locke as Shang Tsung was awesome. But back to the topic I had the exact same reaction as the turtles did when the last episode of MKC aired.

In terms of foreshadowing, I haven't seen the last episode of Season 3 yet so I have no comment on that but I've seen a few spoilers in titles here so I think I'll watch it tonight. It actually airs next week here where my partner daughter and I watch it every week on tv rather than on the net but if what happens at the end is true I may watch it tonight on the net so I can soften the blow some how as that will be quite emotional for my daughter. She's been watching TMNT 2012 since day 1, she's almost 6 but that's 3 years of attachment to a character she loves so much, that's going to be tough on her despite being a cartoon.

[The Happy One]

Originally Posted by turtle1237

But Crognard has the energy.

I know, pal. I know. Lol

But sometimes 'the energy' just ain't enough to save you from a five headed dragon.

[Tetsu Deinonychus]

Pretending Crognard was a real show (and not just an opening gag/forshadowing device), I think the two best scenarios have been said. Either the writers decided to just end the show with a dark joke, or that was meant to be a cliff-hanger, but the show got cancelled before they could conclude it.

The first one's funnier, but the second one is more plausible. Remember Crognard is supposed to be some cheap 80s cartoon, and those didn't end on dark jokes because that might upset the kids. They also didn't have concluding movies or get uncancelled due to demand because there'd be no internet fandom to demand that. There wouldn't be any more of Crognard until they made a remake series 20-30 years later, and that would have it's own continuity.

And, we are officially putting way more thought into this than the actual writers did.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by Tetsu Deinonychus Power-5

Pretending Crognard was a real show (and not just an opening gag/forshadowing device), I think the two best scenarios have been said. Either the writers decided to just end the show with a dark joke, or that was meant to be a cliff-hanger, but the show got cancelled before they could conclude it.

The first one's funnier, but the second one is more plausible. Remember Crognard is supposed to be some cheap 80s cartoon, and those didn't end on dark jokes because that might upset the kids. They also didn't have concluding movies or get uncancelled due to demand because there'd be no internet fandom to demand that. There wouldn't be any more of Crognard until they made a remake series 20-30 years later, and that would have it's own continuity.

And, we are officially putting way more thought into this than the actual writers did.

All very true. However, I'd add that on a side-note, ending the series with a dark joke like that IS very likely with these writers, since they seem so fond of "slipping $h*t under the radar". Most real 80's cartoons wouldn't have ended that way, but you can be sure the writers here had no qualms about doing it! (If they can slip in a joke about a sub and a sea monster....) Also, most 80's cartoons didn't even HAVE a finale as such, they just got canceled. The only one from that era I can think of that had a main character die would be Transformers Gen 1, ending with Optimus's death in the movie. Spider-Man TAS had a finale that involved him hopping through several realities, including "ours", where he met Stan Lee! Other than those two, I can't even think of any series from that era that had legitimate finales.