Michael Keaton reveals why he turned down returning in Batman Forever, "It sucked" - Page 3

*myconius* · 01-04-2017, 09:48 PM

all of the Batman films had their good points as well as their bad points.

they'll never really get it right.

well except for maybe this one?

*Andrew NDB* · 01-04-2017, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by myconius

all of the Batman films had their good points as well as their bad points.

they'll never really get it right.

well except for maybe this one?

https://media.giphy.com/media/QdAaeNLwNUlFK/giphy.gif

If the Nolan films had broadened their sense of... myth, to allow for things like a giant Killer Croc, a super-sized Bane (but not too huge... I hate, like, the super-exaggerated Arkham Asylum version in the games), and that kind of stuff, I'd be much more behind them 100%. And make Batman not have trouble with dogs... makes it much harder to sell him as a credible threat to things like Darkseid and Superman later on. I think somewhere between the Nolan movies and the two Burton films is where I'd like to see things, with a non-murerous Batman.

*myconius* · 01-04-2017, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

If the Nolan films had broadened their sense of... myth, to allow for things like a giant Killer Croc, a super-sized Bane (but not too huge... I hate, like, the super-exaggerated Arkham Asylum version in the games), and that kind of stuff, I'd be much more behind them 100%. And make Batman not have trouble with dogs... makes it much harder to sell him as a credible threat to things like Darkseid and Superman later on. I think somewhere between the Nolan movies and the two Burton films is where I'd like to see things, with a non-murerous Batman.

yeah, i really wish Nolan wasn't so quick to write off the fantasy elements of Batman's world.
plus it seemed too much like Bruce Wayne only became Batman just to impress his childhood sweetheart. didn't like the idea that he felt he only had to be Batman until Gotham Didn't need him anymore.

The Burton Movies are still my favorites, though they are far from perfect.

*CyberCubed* · 01-05-2017, 02:44 AM

Nolan's Joker never fell into acid, Ra's Al Gul never lived for hundreds of years, Bane didn't even use venom...the hell.

Two-Face was the only one who had a similar story to his comic counterpart.

*Shark_Blade* · 01-05-2017, 02:52 AM

In terms of the best Batman, Ben Affleck from Batman v Superman takes top place imo. He's the right bulky size, his expressions - somber and broody were spot on. He's witty and snarky ("I've been busy". "I thought she's with you". "I've met women like you" etc). He's ruthless and violent when fighting, and isn't afraid to kill the enemies.

I guess Christian Bale as Batman was kinda okay until he spoke like he had sore throat cancer.

~~Vegita-San~~ · 01-05-2017, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by myconius

all of the Batman films had their good points as well as their bad points.

they'll never really get it right.

well except for maybe this one?

https://media.giphy.com/media/QdAaeNLwNUlFK/giphy.gif

kids today. what, want him to stick a batarang in the sharks head and get him off that way?

I liked nolans movies for the most part (minus horrible man of steel and BvS). But I HATED his take on the joker. Ledgers horrible joker was nothing but a raving madman. boring. that's not the joker to me.

*myconius* · 01-05-2017, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Nolan's Joker never fell into acid, Ra's Al Gul never lived for hundreds of years, Bane didn't even use venom...the hell.

Two-Face was the only one who had a similar story to his comic counterpart.

but that would go against Nolan's world built on ultra realism.

his Batman could only exist in a real world setting and do stuff like drive a tank over rooftops, or have his broken back fixed by a guy punching it.

he could have given us an immortal Ra's, or a chemically bleached Joker, or a Venom fueled Bane. . .
he just didn't want to.

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Originally Posted by Vegita-San

But I HATED his take on the joker. Ledgers horrible joker was nothing but a raving madman. boring. that's not the joker to me.

"nothing but a raving madman" is a very accurate description for Ledger's Joker.
the sad thing is there are too many front runners that actually think that is what Joker is supposed to be like now.
i enjoyed the movie when i saw it in the theatre. i mean Heath's Joker DID blow up Rachel Dawes, so he scored some points with me there.
but no! he wasn't what i envision as the Joker.

*Shark_Blade* · 01-05-2017, 09:43 AM

Heath Ledger's Joker won an Oscar for the role - pretty much the best Joker there is.

Heck he's the only Batman character that ever won an Oscar. Respect!

*The Deadman* · 01-05-2017, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

In terms of the best Batman, Ben Affleck from Batman v Superman takes top place imo. He's the right bulky size, his expressions - somber and broody were spot on. He's witty and snarky ("I've been busy". "I thought she's with you". "I've met women like you" etc). He's ruthless and violent when fighting, and isn't afraid to kill the enemies.

I guess Christian Bale as Batman was kinda okay until he spoke like he had sore throat cancer.

The best Batman in film will forever be Keaton.

~~Vegita-San~~ · 01-05-2017, 10:26 AM

only because he died...and hollywood probably felt sorry for some reason.

there was nothing joker like about his performance. he was in name only

*myconius* · 01-05-2017, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

Heath Ledger's Joker won an Oscar for the role - pretty much the best Joker there is.

Heck he's the only Batman character that ever won an Oscar. Respect!

i'm pretty sure the people giving out those awards aren't hardcore comic fans.

that doesn't have any bearing on the topic on hand.

*plastroncafe* · 01-05-2017, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by The Deadman

The best Batman in film will forever be Keaton.

^^^^^
This.
His Bruce Wayne want the best, I'd give that to Bale, but as Bats? Keaton all the way.

*myconius* · 01-05-2017, 11:06 AM

Keaton was my favorite live-actor Batman.

my absolute favorite will always be the cartoons

*Candy Kappa* · 01-05-2017, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Voltron

From what I heard, Carrey was channeling Frank Gorshin's Riddler from the old 60's show.

Wow... really?
I guess as a over-the-top parody version of Gorshin's Riddler...

*Autbot_Benz* · 01-05-2017, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Vegita-San

kids today. what, want him to stick a batarang in the sharks head and get him off that way?

I liked nolans movies for the most part (minus horrible man of steel and BvS). But I HATED his take on the joker. Ledgers horrible joker was nothing but a raving madman. boring. that's not the joker to me.

Nolan had nothing to do with Batman V Superman that was all Zack Snyder.

*myconius* · 01-05-2017, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

Nolan had nothing to do with Batman V Superman that was all Zack Snyder.

no one said he did.

*CyberCubed* · 01-05-2017, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Vegita-San

only because he died...and hollywood probably felt sorry for some reason.

there was nothing joker like about his performance. he was in name only

LOL, who are you fooling here? Ledger's Joker was loved and critically acclaimed by everyone, not just comic book fans.

He may not be "classic Joker" but he played the role phenomenally. I still love his performance when I go back and rewatch the movie.

*NinjaPug* · 01-05-2017, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by myconius

no one said he did.

Vegita did

*CyberCubed* · 01-05-2017, 03:30 PM

Vegita-san generally has no idea who makes what when it comes to movies/shows. Look at his rants about the Nick cartoon in the TMNT section, he does the same thing there all the time.

*myconius* · 01-05-2017, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Vegita-San

I liked nolans movies for the most part (minus horrible man of steel and BvS).

Nolan was only a producer involved with Man of Steel, not BvS.

01-04-2017, 09:48 PM	#41
myconius Abby Normal Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: the grave marked "Unknown" right beside Arch Stanton. Posts: 2,857	all of the Batman films had their good points as well as their bad points. they'll never really get it right. well except for maybe this one? __________________

01-05-2017, 11:06 AM	#53
myconius Abby Normal Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: the grave marked "Unknown" right beside Arch Stanton. Posts: 2,857	Keaton was my favorite live-actor Batman. my absolute favorite will always be the cartoons __________________

01-05-2017, 02:44 AM	#44
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,887	Nolan's Joker never fell into acid, Ra's Al Gul never lived for hundreds of years, Bane didn't even use venom...the hell. Two-Face was the only one who had a similar story to his comic counterpart.

01-05-2017, 02:52 AM	#45
Shark_Blade Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,909	In terms of the best Batman, Ben Affleck from Batman v Superman takes top place imo. He's the right bulky size, his expressions - somber and broody were spot on. He's witty and snarky ("I've been busy". "I thought she's with you". "I've met women like you" etc). He's ruthless and violent when fighting, and isn't afraid to kill the enemies. I guess Christian Bale as Batman was kinda okay until he spoke like he had sore throat cancer.

01-05-2017, 09:43 AM	#48
Shark_Blade Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,909	Heath Ledger's Joker won an Oscar for the role - pretty much the best Joker there is. Heck he's the only Batman character that ever won an Oscar. Respect!

01-05-2017, 10:26 AM	#50
~~Vegita-San~~ Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 6,089	only because he died...and hollywood probably felt sorry for some reason. there was nothing joker like about his performance. he was in name only

01-05-2017, 03:30 PM	#59
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,887	Vegita-san generally has no idea who makes what when it comes to movies/shows. Look at his rants about the Nick cartoon in the TMNT section, he does the same thing there all the time.