New Ep Discussion: "Return of Savanti, Part 1 " - Page 4

*Raph's Girl* · 03-12-2006, 08:49 PM

Ok after reading the issue of Tales of the TMNT vol 1 this is based on (issue 7) I noticed there are several differences between the ep and the issue.

1: Savanti's message came from Velociraptor bones in the comic.
2: Don only managed to drag April and Mike to the exhibit
3: They never seemed to name the Triceratops...it was just a random dino they rode on to fight Savanti (who WAS riding a 3 fingered T-Rex)
4: Renet had never met April before

*J Legault* · 03-12-2006, 11:09 PM

I have another n88b question.

Was Renet's charater the same or different in the comic?

cause I didn't expected her to be very enthusiastic.

Doppleganger · 03-12-2006, 11:45 PM

Okay I have to ask if orange the new green in the world? Why is that Triceratops painted orange. It's strange...

Okay I'm gonna go off and post my theory, bare with me here. What if the Triceratons aren't actually aliens? What if they are Triceratops taken from the Earth and evolved elsewhere. I mean they seem to be posting a lot about Bishop and his obsession about alien abductions. We've already seen that his fanatical obsession...isn't so unfounded. Now what if those grey aliens had come to Earth before and abducted some dinosaurs (like Mikey's Zog). Wasn't it a tad strange how similar he looked to a Triceraton? It almost looked like I was looking at Traximus...only with pupils. So it isn't so much of a strech that those big aliens are actually dinos from Earth. It'd be a funny twist.

I'm wondering if this is something Laird is saving up for later...

*Raph's Girl* · 03-12-2006, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Doppleganger

Okay I have to ask if orange the new green in the world? Why is that Triceratops painted orange. It's strange...

Okay I'm gonna go off and post my theory, bare with me here. What if the Triceratons aren't actually aliens? What if they are Triceratops taken from the Earth and evolved elsewhere.

For several weeks there's been a rumor going around that these eps feature the origins of the Triceratons...so you're not that far off.

ST Voyager actually deals with this as well... in the delta quadrant they meet a race of aliens descended from earth dinos.

As for the color of the Triceratops...The only green Triceratops I have ever seen is Baby Bop from Barney and Friends. Otherwise they're Orange and Purple...altho Baby Bop's brother is Yellow. *hugs her Baby Bop and B.J plushies as well as her purple Triceratops plushie*

Doppleganger · 03-13-2006, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Raph's Girl

For several weeks there's been a rumor going around that these eps feature the origins of the Triceratons...so you're not that far off.

ST Voyager actually deals with this as well... in the delta quadrant they meet a race of aliens descended from earth dinos.

As for the color of the Triceratops...The only green Triceratops I have ever seen is Baby Bop from Barney and Friends. Otherwise they're Orange and Purple...altho Baby Bop's brother is Yellow. *hugs her Baby Bop and B.J plushies as well as her purple Triceratops plushie*

Instead of Raph's Girl you should call yourself Dino Girl.

Oh yes I remember that too. Plus weren't there humans that lived in the Delta Quadrant because of some aliens abducting them, famous ones like Amelia Earhart (that whole alien abduction thing I guess was pretty common O_o)? That might ALSO explain the whole "alien" humans thing too of the Federation. I guess it's possible since TMNT seems to enjoy parodying other shows like Star Trek, Star Wars, Gargoyles etc. etc.

~~ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael~~ · 03-13-2006, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by J Legault

I have another n88b question.

Was Renet's charater the same or different in the comic?

cause I didn't expected her to be very enthusiastic.

She's pretty much the same in the comics as she is in the show.

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Instead of Raph's Girl you should call yourself Dino Girl. Oh yes I remember that too. Plus weren't there humans that lived in the Delta Quadrant because of some aliens abducting them, famous ones like Amelia Earhart (that whole alien abduction thing I guess was pretty common O_o)? That might ALSO explain the whole "alien" humans thing too of the Federation. I guess it's possible since TMNT seems to enjoy parodying and slightly ripping off ideas from other shows like Star Trek, Star Wars, Gargoyles etc. etc.

How could the TMNT rip off Voyager when the Triceratons and the Federation were created back in 1984, years before ST: TNG even.

*Raph's Girl* · 03-13-2006, 12:17 AM

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Plus weren't there humans that lived in the Delta Quadrant because of some aliens abducting them, famous ones like Amelia Earhart (that whole alien abduction thing I guess was pretty common O_o)?

Yep... the 47s! One of my fave eps of Voyager...well sides the alien Dinos...who later show up amongst the crew of the time ship Relativity.

Grey's abducting people has even been used on Stargate...with Loki abducting and cloning people (like Jack O'Neil). Course Thor wasn't too pleased.. "Loki! What did you do now?!"

However all the alien humans can be explained by an ancient race that seeded the galaxy.

What? Haven't u seen the TNG ep?

*VaughnMichael* · 03-13-2006, 04:18 AM

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She's pretty much the same in the comics as she is in the show.

I have to dissagree I have every issue she's in and she doesn't seem like a complete moron at all like she does in the show...and she never talked like some bimbo surfer girl...like and totally and omg!

but yea I guess the kids like it so wee it's ok

*J Legault* · 03-13-2006, 08:18 AM

That figures, If I saw Time Travails then I wouldn't be asking these dumb questions here.

*Duke* · 03-13-2006, 09:51 AM

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As for your "ZOMG!!!111 Teh tyrannozaur had 3 fingaz!!!111"-concerns. Did you ever notice that nobody called that dinosaur a tyrannosaur? And what does it matter which friggin' dinosaur's stampeding around? I mean, isn't it obvious enough that those creatures are dangerous and big without having to be a paleothologist? And what does it matter if "WTF??? Teh dinoz lievd in otha place111"? They're dinsaurs, they're there, end of story.

What are you talking about? We all know this isn't a kids show but a Discovery Channel documentary on the life and locations of the thunder lizards (aka dinosaur to those who watch kid cartoons and not documentaries).

Honestly, I usually have nothing against over-annalyzing but some of these comments are ridiculous. Did anyone thing that maybe in the TMNT universe (where aliens/mutants exist and all speak english) that the kinds of dinosaurs and their locations are different from our actual universe? I'm a dino lover too but I really don't care how they look, if they are calling the right dino but the right name, and where they are found on the earth in a kids show. Please stop treating a kid's show with mutant talking turtles like it has to be accurate to our physical reality cause not only does it not need to be, but I'm sorry to inform you guys that it can't be.

Also for all you dino-lovers out there just because a fossil isn't found in a certain location on the earth does not mean that the dino couldn't have lived there. Does anyone know the likelihood of a living animal actually get fossilized? So actually three possibilities exist
1. the dinosaur is native to only the part of the world where it's fossil is found
2. the dino is native to other parts of the world and fossils are yet to be found
3. the dino is native to other parts of the world and no fossils were formed

*Raph's Girl* · 03-13-2006, 10:23 AM

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Also for all you dino-lovers out there just because a fossil isn't found in a certain location on the earth does not mean that the dino couldn't have lived there. Does anyone know the likelihood of a living animal actually get fossilized? So actually three possibilities exist
1. the dinosaur is native to only the part of the world where it's fossil is found
2. the dino is native to other parts of the world and fossils are yet to be found
3. the dino is native to other parts of the world and no fossils were formed

This is true....just that some Dinos were more common than the others...like the Triceratops, Apatasaur, and T-Rex. Utahraptor is only called that because it was first discovered in Utah.

Oh and check this out...this is the cover to Tales of the TMNT vol 1 #7... Zog is green and the pterasaurs are clearly Rhamphorhynchus!

*iris* · 03-13-2006, 11:30 AM

Thanks for the pic, Raph's Girl. That T-Rex type beastie is awesome. Love Raph's position too... ouch!

How do the TMNT feel about these beasts that are, in a way, like themselves?

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Originally Posted by Raph's Girl

Yep... the 47s! One of my fave eps of Voyager...well sides the alien Dinos...who later show up amongst the crew of the time ship Relativity.

Grey's abducting people has even been used on Stargate...with Loki abducting and cloning people (like Jack O'Neil). Course Thor wasn't too pleased.. "Loki! What did you do now?!"

However all the alien humans can be explained by an ancient race that seeded the galaxy.

What? Haven't u seen the TNG ep?

I liked that explanation from TNG. They had to explain all the similarities between trek aliens SOMEHOW, right?

I don't think TMNT is ripping off any other series in this case. Every scifi universe ends up having some kind of whack origin story (or stories) mixed in. You know... for "believability." *ahem*

There's no way the Triceratons aren't related in some way, even if they aren't direct descendents of terran dinosaurs. Donny's a smart boy; you'd think he'd be able to make the connection... maybe he does, but he couldn't resist pointing out how Mike was just incredibly wrong.

Or maybe all that sneezing jarred his brain.

I would love it, personally, if it turned out that Mikey's generosity with potato chips resulted in the Triceraton Zog's birth.

That would almost be as good as as Cat's origin in Red Dwarf.

PS. I :heart: Thor!

*Raph's Girl* · 03-13-2006, 11:43 AM

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There's no way the Triceratons aren't related in some way, even if they aren't direct descendents of terran dinosaurs. Donny's a smart boy; you'd think he'd be able to make the connection.

In Vol 4 the explination given for all the alien dinosaurs (and there are lots of em) is parallel earth development. (Mike explains this after he gives some Dinosaurs a tour of the museum

)

I suppose it makes sense tho. In Land Before Time 7 Littlefoot meets some alien dinos.

*iris* · 03-13-2006, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Raph's Girl

In Vol 4 the explination given for all the alien dinosaurs (and there are lots of em) is parallel earth development.

Exsqueze me?

onyx · 03-13-2006, 12:00 PM

It was an ok episode, not that exciting, but not boring either.

I was surprised to see Don jumping on the "scared" dino, it's not his style, guess the desease he got is catching up.

I really loved Zog and the way he enjoyed the chips Mikey gave him

I hope for a good long battle in the next episode, because this one was indeed a bit slow.

And going to the next week's preview:

OMG! Savanti is the prehistorical Shredder! PH34R!!!

*Raph's Girl* · 03-13-2006, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by onyx

I was surprised to see Don jumping on the "scared" dino, it's not his style, guess the desease he got is catching up.

It was either that or they just needed an excuse to use a scene from the comic:

Oh and for those wondering...yes Renet is just like in the comic:

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Exsqueze me?

*iris* · 03-13-2006, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Raph's Girl

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Originally Posted by onyx

I was surprised to see Don jumping on the "scared" dino, it's not his style, guess the desease he got is catching up.

It was either that or they just needed an excuse to use a scene from the comic:

I figured it was a combination of both... but it was very surprising. I really can't picture any of the turtles doing that, so the only explanation (in the context of the story) would be that something is wrong with Donny's judgement.

ETA Re: "Parallel evolution"

Oh, I get it now that I see it in context. Thanks Raph's Girl.

I like that as well-- a non-explanation rather than a whack origin story! Imagine that... it's all just a great big coinkydink!!!

(But how can it be?! lol)

Gary · 03-13-2006, 12:39 PM

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I would like Renet more if her breasts were that big in the show

redsionnach · 03-13-2006, 05:22 PM

Sometimes TMNT does get the details right!

From the museum of natural history in NYC:

redsionnach · 03-13-2006, 05:23 PM

More pictures...

03-12-2006, 08:49 PM	#61
Raph's Girl Dierna Soul, Reporter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Jakku Posts: 10,831	Ok after reading the issue of Tales of the TMNT vol 1 this is based on (issue 7) I noticed there are several differences between the ep and the issue. 1: Savanti's message came from Velociraptor bones in the comic. 2: Don only managed to drag April and Mike to the exhibit 3: They never seemed to name the Triceratops...it was just a random dino they rode on to fight Savanti (who WAS riding a 3 fingered T-Rex) 4: Renet had never met April before __________________

03-12-2006, 11:09 PM	#62
J Legault Mad Scientist Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: West Coast Posts: 2,054	I have another n88b question. Was Renet's charater the same or different in the comic? cause I didn't expected her to be very enthusiastic. __________________ I am a fan of TMNT and I'm still one today. I got into the habbit back in 1992 or 93' when I was little. I would like to thank my 2 year older cousin for getting me in the habbit. 2001 was when I revised my knowledge on TMNT. And today I'm a bigger fan than I was years ago. I have all 3 TMNT Movies, current Toon, and old school Toon on DVD.

03-12-2006, 11:45 PM	#63
Doppleganger Stone Warrior Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 687	Okay I have to ask if orange the new green in the world? Why is that Triceratops painted orange. It's strange... Okay I'm gonna go off and post my theory, bare with me here. What if the Triceratons aren't actually aliens? What if they are Triceratops taken from the Earth and evolved elsewhere. I mean they seem to be posting a lot about Bishop and his obsession about alien abductions. We've already seen that his fanatical obsession...isn't so unfounded. Now what if those grey aliens had come to Earth before and abducted some dinosaurs (like Mikey's Zog). Wasn't it a tad strange how similar he looked to a Triceraton? It almost looked like I was looking at Traximus...only with pupils. So it isn't so much of a strech that those big aliens are actually dinos from Earth. It'd be a funny twist. I'm wondering if this is something Laird is saving up for later... __________________

03-13-2006, 08:18 AM	#69
J Legault Mad Scientist Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: West Coast Posts: 2,054	That figures, If I saw Time Travails then I wouldn't be asking these dumb questions here. __________________ I am a fan of TMNT and I'm still one today. I got into the habbit back in 1992 or 93' when I was little. I would like to thank my 2 year older cousin for getting me in the habbit. 2001 was when I revised my knowledge on TMNT. And today I'm a bigger fan than I was years ago. I have all 3 TMNT Movies, current Toon, and old school Toon on DVD.

03-13-2006, 12:00 PM	#75
onyx Foot Soldier Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 232	It was an ok episode, not that exciting, but not boring either. I was surprised to see Don jumping on the "scared" dino, it's not his style, guess the desease he got is catching up. I really loved Zog and the way he enjoyed the chips Mikey gave him I hope for a good long battle in the next episode, because this one was indeed a bit slow. And going to the next week's preview: OMG! Savanti is the prehistorical Shredder! PH34R!!! __________________