The Simpsons facing possible cancelation after Season 23

*CyberCubed* · 10-04-2011, 11:35 PM

Its on several news sites:

http://tv.ign.com/articles/119/1198119p1.html

Basically the show is getting too costly for Fox to produce, with the salaries for the voice actors and them refusing to take pay cuts, to the point where the actual animation is most expensive than the likes of Family guy, etc.

I know this has happened in the past with this show, and the voice actors eventually negotiated, but the fact that they're asking for back-end pay now, it seems that the show could realistically end. For the record, no Season 24 has currently been ordered at all at this point.

Good thing is the show officially hits the 500th episode milestone this season, so if this is the end, it is time.

**Jester** · 10-04-2011, 11:44 PM

It's not like the VAs don't deserve the salaries. They make the show and they do multiple characters each. I mean if Charlie Sheen can make $2 million an episode for 2 and a Half Men, the cast of the Simpsons deserve their $400,000+ per episode.
EDIT: Ok, maybe Yeardley "Lisa" Smith doesn't...just Lisa...come on Yeardley.

*CyberCubed* · 10-04-2011, 11:50 PM

I always knew the voice actor salaries would be what did the show in eventually. This is not the type of show where you'd expect them to hire sound-a-likes and continue the series after all the voice actors quit either.

I think Fox realizes they can still make millions off of Simpsons even after its canceled. They will have over 500 episodes to rerun in syndication, plus DVD and merchandize sales.

The Flintstones continued to have new merchandized pumped out every year, and the actual series ended decades ago.

Archon_Turtle · 10-05-2011, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Jester

EDIT: Ok, maybe Yeardley "Lisa" Smith doesn't...just Lisa...come on Yeardley.

And that is her normal speaking voice. heh.

**Jester** · 10-05-2011, 01:08 AM

UNACCEPTABLE!!!
Yeadrley why can't you be more like your brother, Nancy....wait??

*Slap-Happy* · 10-05-2011, 01:09 AM

God, I hope it doesn't get cancelled. Yeah, it's definitely passed it's prime, but it's an American institution.

Besides Bob's Burgers, Fox really will be the Seth MacFarlane network. (I don't expect Napolean Dynamite or that new Jonah Hill show to last long)

**Jester** · 10-05-2011, 01:17 AM

If they cancel the Simpson's will they fill its slot (hehehehe) with ANOTHER Seth MacFarlane show. I debated using "comedy" but lets be honest, that'd would be wrong.

*Slap-Happy* · 10-05-2011, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Jester

If they cancel the Simpson's will they fill its slot (hehehehe) with ANOTHER Seth MacFarlane show. I debated using "comedy" but lets be honest, that'd would be wrong.

If the Simpsons is cancelled, I bet Seth MacFarlane's Flintstones takes it's slot.

*TheCanadiandrome* · 10-05-2011, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by The Chicken Whisperer

God, I hope it doesn't get cancelled. Yeah, it's definitely passed it's prime, but it's an American institution.

Besides Bob's Burgers, Fox really will be the Seth MacFarlane network. (I don't expect Napolean Dynamite or that new Jonah Hill show to last long)

Bob's Burgers got canned didn't it? And what is the Jonah Hill show any way? is it that stupid crap that was previewed through out last Sunday?

and yeah Simpsons is not just an American Institution, but a World-Wide Phenomonan! However, if it ends after 23 seasons so be it, but perhaps another movie would be the best way to end it

*CyberCubed* · 10-05-2011, 03:41 PM

There are still 6 holdover episodes after Season 23, so those would make an incredibly short Season 24 and give the series a proper finale.

*Spitfire* · 10-05-2011, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jester

It's not like the VAs don't deserve the salaries. They make the show and they do multiple characters each. I mean if Charlie Sheen can make $2 million an episode for 2 and a Half Men, the cast of the Simpsons deserve their $400,000+ per episode.

No one deserves 400K to sit in a climate controlled sound booth and talk. Especially when it's for something as short as a 20 minute episode. Recording lines is insanely simple. The main reason they do multiple characters is to validate their salaries and so they don't have to pay as many VAs. An actor is under lights and dealing with set conditions. The script isn't in front of them and they actually have to memorize their lines. Also in many cases they'll have to ADR some of the lines anyways so they have to put in some sound booth time themselves.

It floors me how greedy the VAs for Simpsons are. Back pay? Are you serious? They make the same money for one episode that my Dad makes in 5 years. They're beyond the point of needing it to survive.

Jurassic · 10-05-2011, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Spitfire

No one deserves 400K to sit in a climate controlled sound booth and talk. Especially when it's for something as short as a 20 minute episode. Recording lines is insanely simple. The main reason they do multiple characters is to validate their salaries and so they don't have to pay as many VAs. An actor is under lights and dealing with set conditions. The script isn't in front of them and they actually have to memorize their lines. Also in many cases they'll have to ADR some of the lines anyways so they have to put in some sound booth time themselves.

It floors me how greedy the VAs for Simpsons are. Back pay? Are you serious? They make the same money for one episode that my Dad makes in 5 years. They're beyond the point of needing it to survive.

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*CyberCubed* · 10-05-2011, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Spitfire

It floors me how greedy the VAs for Simpsons are. Back pay? Are you serious? They make the same money for one episode that my Dad makes in 5 years. They're beyond the point of needing it to survive.

The VA's were the reason for the shows success as much as the writers/creators were.

They simply want to know that after the show is canceled and put on syndication, that they'll continue to get money after.

*Spitfire* · 10-05-2011, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The VA's were the reason for the shows success as much as the writers/creators were.

They simply want to know that after the show is canceled and put on syndication, that they'll continue to get money after.

They don't need that money though and further more it depends on the contracts they signed. If they blindly signed a contract several years ago that's on them. None of the Star Wars cast, which arguably make the movie, get dick from Lucas because they signed their likeness away. Darth Vader never even got paid for Return of the Jedi. Just because you were part of what made something successful doesn't mean you're entitled to extra money.

A true artist is someone who is willing to take pay cuts so something can be made. Like Keanu Reeves taking no pay for the last two Matrix movies so his cost could be put towards the special effects budget. He already knew he didn't need the extra money so he put it back into the movie for the fans. Kevin Bacon took a huge pay decrease for The Woodsman just because he wanted to see it get made and knew the production couldn't afford him. These VAs refusing to decrease their asking price is like them saying FU to the fans. The fans who put them where they are. If you ask me that's BS and I'd say F them too.

*Guitar_Raph* · 10-05-2011, 11:17 PM

It's not gonna be the same on Sundays after 23 seasons. And when they may reach 500 episodes.

But that's not the oldest Fox show, it's Cops (Bad boys. bad boys). It dryhroned Gunsmoke/Law & Order as the longest running prime time entertainemnt seris (not counting news magazines).

And it's the only show left that debuted when Father Bush was President.

*Ninjinister* · 10-06-2011, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Spitfire

Recording lines is insanely simple.

You know nothing about how voice acting works.

**Jester** · 10-06-2011, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Ninjinister

You know nothing about how voice acting works.

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*CyberCubed* · 10-06-2011, 08:01 PM

If it gets a Season 24, its likely to be the final one.

Remember Fox has The Flintstones reboot coming in 2013, seems like an obvious Simpsons replacement.

*Spitfire* · 10-07-2011, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by The Ninjinister

You know nothing about how voice acting works.

I know plenty as I've done it both in performance and recording. Most of the time the seasoned VAs don't even fully read the scripts before they enter the studio.

Real acting in front of a camera is way harder. On top of the stress put on your body to change and manipulate it to however it needs to look for the role you also have to be able to show genuine emotion in both your voice and face. This isn't to mention the ones who do their own stunts. Being under lights for 12+ hours a day isn't a treat either nor is shooting on location, especially in counties like Thailand. Downplaying an on screen actor to the level of a VA is insulting. I see an on screen actor deserving the pay they get more so then a VA.

*BubblyShell22* · 10-07-2011, 08:45 AM

If The Simpsons were to move to Comedy Central, that would mean that Groening would have two of his shows there: Futurama and The Simpsons.

Heck, I'll still watch FOX even if The Simpsons does get cancelled because I like Family Guy and want to see how Seth handles The Flintstones.

10-04-2011, 11:35 PM	#1
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,883	The Simpsons facing possible cancelation after Season 23 Its on several news sites: http://tv.ign.com/articles/119/1198119p1.html Basically the show is getting too costly for Fox to produce, with the salaries for the voice actors and them refusing to take pay cuts, to the point where the actual animation is most expensive than the likes of Family guy, etc. I know this has happened in the past with this show, and the voice actors eventually negotiated, but the fact that they're asking for back-end pay now, it seems that the show could realistically end. For the record, no Season 24 has currently been ordered at all at this point. Good thing is the show officially hits the 500th episode milestone this season, so if this is the end, it is time.

10-04-2011, 11:44 PM	#2
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,301	It's not like the VAs don't deserve the salaries. They make the show and they do multiple characters each. I mean if Charlie Sheen can make $2 million an episode for 2 and a Half Men, the cast of the Simpsons deserve their $400,000+ per episode. EDIT: Ok, maybe Yeardley "Lisa" Smith doesn't...just Lisa...come on Yeardley. __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

10-05-2011, 01:08 AM	#5
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,301	UNACCEPTABLE!!! Yeadrley why can't you be more like your brother, Nancy....wait?? __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

10-05-2011, 01:17 AM	#7
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,301	If they cancel the Simpson's will they fill its slot (hehehehe) with ANOTHER Seth MacFarlane show. I debated using "comedy" but lets be honest, that'd would be wrong. __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

10-05-2011, 11:17 PM	#15
Guitar_Raph Superhero musician Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 2,191	It's not gonna be the same on Sundays after 23 seasons. And when they may reach 500 episodes. But that's not the oldest Fox show, it's Cops (Bad boys. bad boys). It dryhroned Gunsmoke/Law & Order as the longest running prime time entertainemnt seris (not counting news magazines). And it's the only show left that debuted when Father Bush was President. __________________ Mikey drums with nunchucks!

10-04-2011, 11:50 PM	#3
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,883	I always knew the voice actor salaries would be what did the show in eventually. This is not the type of show where you'd expect them to hire sound-a-likes and continue the series after all the voice actors quit either. I think Fox realizes they can still make millions off of Simpsons even after its canceled. They will have over 500 episodes to rerun in syndication, plus DVD and merchandize sales. The Flintstones continued to have new merchandized pumped out every year, and the actual series ended decades ago.

10-05-2011, 01:09 AM	#6
Slap-Happy Bad Boy Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,911	God, I hope it doesn't get cancelled. Yeah, it's definitely passed it's prime, but it's an American institution. Besides Bob's Burgers, Fox really will be the Seth MacFarlane network. (I don't expect Napolean Dynamite or that new Jonah Hill show to last long)

10-05-2011, 03:41 PM	#10
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,883	There are still 6 holdover episodes after Season 23, so those would make an incredibly short Season 24 and give the series a proper finale.

10-06-2011, 08:01 PM	#18
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,883	If it gets a Season 24, its likely to be the final one. Remember Fox has The Flintstones reboot coming in 2013, seems like an obvious Simpsons replacement.

10-07-2011, 08:45 AM	#20
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	If The Simpsons were to move to Comedy Central, that would mean that Groening would have two of his shows there: Futurama and The Simpsons. Heck, I'll still watch FOX even if The Simpsons does get cancelled because I like Family Guy and want to see how Seth handles The Flintstones. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.