Megan Fox the main character, Turtles secondary according to new info?

[Raphael232]

I would hate it if the main focus was April. I will wait and see. I remember the first turtles movie showing April mostly in the beginning and then once they came in contact with her it was also focused on the turtles.

[electric_sheep]

Originally Posted by FellowChucker

Huh I give them their props when they deserve it.

Blade (love this film)
Blade 2
X2
Spider-Man 2
Iron Man (love this film)
Avengers


IM 3 is known hot garbage.

With it's fake ass TDK Rises narrative, and plot. But with inferior intelligence, scripting, acting, nuance ...

How could I forget IM 3's way bigger plot holes, character inconsistencies, forced slapstick humor that destroys tension filled scenes, logic / physics inconsistencies.

Yet you want to hate on TDKR?

TDKR takes narrative leaps of faith due to it's way more epic scope, but IM 3 down right insults my intelligence, yet doesn't deliver all that much entertainment to justify it.

IM 3 pissing all over the source material, terrible ... corny, bland fire breathing villain. Really? TDKR adapted real cherished Batman mythology from the source. IM 3 can't even give you a decent comic book based villain.

real cherished Batman mythology from the source. Venom? no! Spanish? No! Santa Prisca? No! and he sound's like Sean Connery auto tuned.

Gaps in logic and common sense pile up, movie collapses on it self and becomes a boring bloated mess with characters whose motivation is so plotholle ridden that you can drive a ****ing Titanic though it. and Mandarin was never a Cherished villain, he's Fu man Chu leftover from the Vietnam war, he's an Asian Stereotype, also i am not a Marvelite. Marvel produces a lot of **** to, Drop your Nolanite glasses and look at those movie with logical eyes, they are not the masterpieces you want them to be, you can deny it to infinity, that won't change anything. I am ending this flame war here, **** Nolan. **** Marvel.

[electric_sheep]

Originally Posted by FellowChucker

Um yes. We got TDK Returns, No Man's Land, and Knightfall all wrapped up in one.


Bane is a C rate villain. He was a MacGuffin like Doomsday.

Nolan took his essence, improved on it for a more plausible reality. Made him clearly more BA. I wouldn't want a mexican wrestler dressed Bane in Nolan's Batman universe.

Venom? No he had a breathing apparatus that injects numbing agents into body to subdue pain. It's essentially an organic steroid. You honestly expected Bane to hulk out? He feels no pain, that works just as well.

We don't know what Bane sounds like in the comics now do we? So Hardy took a fairly interesting approach to the character. Instead of making him a hulking, dumb sounding brute. He gave him intelligence, and nuance through his cadence.

Clearly you're a biased Marvel fan boy, and have no clue what you're talking about. And WTF is a Nolanite? I'm merely stating the obvious that the Batman trilogy he created his clearly head and shoulders better than anything else in the genre of cookie cutter blandness. Especially the glorified trailers called films the Marvel Studio machine you sheep people invest so much in ... they're so great because they combine characters?

Um ok. They're hollow, boring, childish cartoons in comparison to TDK trilogies layered entertainment value.

It's like talking to a log, you are so ****ing thickheaded that you can't take even slightest Criticism towards Nolan, http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Nolanite yes i am a sheep for actually wanting to enjoy a fun movie and not be hit over the head with obvious symbolism and bloated writing, TDKR sucks. you know what, **** you dude, **** you, you are god damn douche...

[plastroncafe]

Except that Bane isn't a hulking dumb-sounding brute, at least in the comics he's not. And instead of giving us a multi-layered person of color we got a difficult to understand racebent stand in.

Nolan also racebent Ra's Al Ghul, with a mispronounced name to boot.

Nolan's BatVerse leaves a bad taste in my mouth. From the hamfisted romantic subplot in the first one, to the Sequel Means Two Badguys! trope of the second, to the boring slog of the third.

I give the man props for the best Live Action Bruce Wayne we've ever seen, and for his vision of an awesomely creepy Joker, and a wickedly well done Selina Kyle, even if I did hate her heels.

[Sighphi]

Why are the two top threads in the TMNT movie board not talking about the TMNT movie?

[plastroncafe]

Probably because there's not a whole lot more to discuss until the teaser comes out sometime tomorrow.

Though, I would like to delve into why April would be a horrible person to headline the next turtle movie. I mean, "True Stories" is hands down one of the best books in the Mirage run of the comics, and that was all from April's point of view.

[electric_sheep]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Except that Bane isn't a hulking dumb-sounding brute, at least in the comics he's not. And instead of giving us a multi-layered person of color we got a difficult to understand racebent stand in.

Nolan also racebent Ra's Al Ghul, with a mispronounced name to boot.

Nolan's BatVerse leaves a bad taste in my mouth. From the hamfisted romantic subplot in the first one, to the Sequel Means Two Badguys! trope of the second, to the boring slog of the third.

I give the man props for the best Live Action Bruce Wayne we've ever seen, and for his vision of an awesomely creepy Joker, and a wickedly well done Selina Kyle, even if I did hate her heels.

Scarecrow was also awesome, Harvey Dent was good, for a 20 minutes that he got to be Two face, But god damn did i want to punch Maggy Potatoface in that movie, also horrible depiction of batman, from voice to costume, to fighting.

[electric_sheep]

Trying to be unique by nit picking this series would essentially tell me you don't like the following Batman stories:

Man Who Falls
Batman #1
Year One
Long Halloween
Dark Victory
Killing Joke
TDK Returns
Knightfall
No Man's Land

Unfortunate for you, that you must not have been a Batman fan to begin with at all.

Mind telling me what mainstream superhero based comic book movies you do enjoy? Let's see how they compare.

I love how you just pulled a list of most know Batman stories from some website, but that's another matter. You are the greatest Batman fan that ever was and ever will be, we are not worthy to speak to you. We are all wrong and you are Better than all of us, How does someone Dare to point out obvious flaws in the brilliant masterpiece that's Chris Nolans Batman Trilogy. Show us the light, Master! we are all trying to be unique when we say that TDKR is a piece of ****.

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by FellowChucker

I didn't say he was. I'm talking about his voice. People expected a deep voice. Hardy portrayed him as an elderly, in pain, articulate guy. I don't get why that's so bad.

There was nothing elderly about Hardy's performance.

Bane's latin decent defines his character now? Or the fact that he's a C list, MacGuffin who served no purpose besides being Batman's Doomsday?

Of course Nolan had room to update, and reinterpret while still being faithful to his essence. He's still a physical equal to Batman, born / raised in a prison of darkness. Hardened by his experiences. Driven. Has a soft soul deep down, related to the LOS ... and has a thing for Talia.

All of this was int he source material.

I'm not saying Nolan didn't have room to update, I'm calling him to the mat for the changes he made. I feel they were bad changes.

Is it a problem Harvey Dent was black in Batman '89? Does his race define his character as well?

Your obsession with race is troublesome. I've noticed it in sevaral threads. Did it bother you Mandarin was Caucasian, or Indian instead of Asian?

No it's not a problem that Harvey Dent was black in Burton's Batman, because there aren't nearly as many roles for black actors as there are for white.

Yes it is a problem that he was later recast and played by Tommy Lee Jones, because that was just awful no matter how badly you slice it.

According to who was it mispronounced? It isn't pronounced RASH Al Ghul. Like some weird STD. All they did is emphaize a "z" instead of "sh"

Or you mean you think that's how it sounds because that's how it was pronounced by Denny O'Neil, or the BTAS team?

His name is Arabic, it is said no where that Ra's actual ethnicity is of Arabic decent. He was born among a tribe of nomads IN THE REGION.

Ray's Al Ghul is how it should be pronounced, because Ra is pronounced the same way the name Ray is in English. The Egyptian Sun God? Is Ra. Pronounced Ray.

Which is apparent in basically any blockbuster or comic book movie.

Which is why most blockbuster/comic book movies aren't good movies.

It also takes a severe backseat in the film to all the other plots, and subplots.

Then why have it in the first place?
Oh that's right, because female characters are only good for romantic subplots, I forgot.

A studio pushed agenda that is immedietly killed off in the sequel when Nolan had total reign.

And when Nolan had total reign, he fridges Rachel, in true DC style. That...that's inspired writing, that is.

The Joker is the villain for the duration of the film. Two Face is apart of the 3rd act.

So 2 bad guy trope means you don't like a lot of comic book films.

That would be correct, yes.
It's lazy writing.

Meh, subjective. I mean it would be if you didn't enjoy Batman Begins, Christian Bale's portrayl of Bruce Wayne, being it's a definitive conclusion of tht story.

Trying to be unique by nit picking this series would essentially tell me you don't like the following Batman stories:

Man Who Falls
Batman #1
Year One
Long Halloween
Dark Victory
Killing Joke
TDK Returns
Knightfall
No Man's Land

Unfortunate for you, that you must not have been a Batman fan to begin with at all.

Mind telling me what mainstream superhero based comic book movies you do enjoy? Let's see how they compare ...

That's right, just dismiss me like some filthy "casual." Not a real fan. No I couldn't possibly be.

See to me? Hearing you gush over and over again about the virtues of the Nolan-verse, that just tells me you're a bandwagoner.

I'll be honest, I really don't like DC's books in general. Their cartoon universes, on the other hand, are pretty spectacular.
There are exceptions. Gotham Central is fantastic, as is the first run of Blue Beetle. Of course, all of those are moot now that we've got the Nu52, which had done nothing but alienate and disappoint.

I tried to get into Green Lantern for a while there, but...ugh, it's just so boring. So so boring. It's like watching buildings punch each other. You know, like the end of Man of Steel.

I like Batman, but he's hardly my favorite character. I mean, there's only so much Mary Sue a girl can take.

[Candy Kappa]

Rises was not a good movie.

[electric_sheep]

Originally Posted by FellowChucker

I mentioned them because those were the ones obviously adapted ...

Ridiculous fire breathing Killian / Mandarin though ... he was something.

I already ****ing told you that i am not a Marvelite, i care not about that ****. }
Now i finaly have a word to describe you A filthy bandwagoner. I think Candy Kappa said that TDKR isn't a good movie to, now hares him to...

[plastroncafe]

The way they handled the Mandarin in Iron Man 3 is the only socially acceptable way to deal with that character, and I for one am pretty damn impressed that they came up with it at all.

It's one of the reasons IM3 is vastly superior to IM2.
Though IM the first, is hands down the best superhero movie ever made.

[Sighphi]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

The way they handled the Mandarin in Iron Man 3 is the only socially acceptable way to deal with that character, and I for one am pretty damn impressed that they came up with it at all.

It's one of the reasons IM3 is vastly superior to IM2.
Though IM the first, is hands down the best superhero movie ever made.

What's wrong with being half Chinese half British Royalty?
Yeah... the Mandarin is half white, but no one remembers that.

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by FellowChucker

It's Batman Begins lite. With a more charismatic lead / character, and a significantly worse 3rd act.

Now with less racebending, a proactive female character that isn't forcibly wedged into a romantic subplot because Women? What else are they good for? Amirite?, a hero you can actually understand when he speaks, and a villain with a plan that actually makes sense outside of a funnybook.

But hey, at least we're in agreement that Tony Stark is waaaay more charismatic than Bruce Wayne will ever be. SO there's that.

Originally Posted by Sighphi

What's wrong with being half Chinese half British Royalty?
Yeah... the Mandarin is half white, but no one remembers that.

Nothing.
The problem comes from the villain being born from a racist, Orientalist, trope.

[plastroncafe]

This is going to end up with you apologizing to me in private again, isn't it FellowChucker.

[Fourcylinder]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

This is going to end up with you apologizing to me in private again, isn't it FellowChucker.

If he does, please share it with the rest of us

[Candy Kappa]

Didn't care much for Pepper being Tony's love interest, but at least she was still a pretty good character. Just wish she stayed the way she was in the beginning of IM1. Didn't care all that much about the love interest in Batman Begins and Dark Knight, she was just there as token love interest.

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

Didn't care much for Pepper being Tony's love interest, but at least she was still a pretty good character. Just wish she stayed the way she was in the beginning of IM1. Didn't care all that much about the love interest in Batman Begins and Dark Knight, she was just there as token love interest.

That's one of the reasons I really liked IM the first, because you think they're going to go there, and then she just shoots him right the hell down. After saving the day,...in heels.

Pepper was more of a character, more integral to the plot, than Rachel Dawes ever was. And it angers me to have characters like Rachel Dawes even IN the movie in the first place. The only reasons to add her are:

1) To draw a female audience. (LOOK! We have an independent woman!LOOOK Girls can like superhero movies too)

Which is just insulting on so many levels.

2) To be a love interest.

Which is insulting on all the levels left out by 1).

Do I like that Pepper and Tony get together in the second and third movies? Not as much, no, but at least it works. And it only works by virtue of the chemistry of RDJ and GP. Though...it works a hell of a lot better in 3 than it does in 2, which was a wet hot mess from start to finish.

Again, having a 2 in the title doesn't mean there has to be TWO villains.

Originally Posted by FellowChucker

Is that supposed to belittle me? I manned up to apologize for assuming you were black. Nice to know you received the message and accepted the apology. Have no clue what this statement aims to do otherwise.

Not really, I just think it's funny that the big 'internet tough guy' had to go behind closed doors to make sure their bluster didn't step on toes too hard. Though, it's kind of funny that you think I'd be offended by you misidentifying me as black, as if being black was some sort of horrible thing people should be ashamed of. Of course, I thought you were apologizing for being a prick in general, good to have that clarified.

[electric_sheep]

ahahaha, So he is just a little bitch after all...

[Candy Kappa]

I feel a bit bad that I had forgotten her name was Rachel Dawes...