Splinter's MOVIE Origins...(Lego.com)

[Leo656]

"Injected with a soul..."

I guess Peter David ghost-wrote a draft of the script, huh?

[Werecat]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

Yeah, the Three-Toed Box Turtle have three toes on their hind legs.

Fun thing about the early Turtle design, according to the How to Draw a Ninja Turtle book by Solson, which contains step by step on how to draw a Ninja Turtle, pin-ups and various information and art by E&L. Informs about the feet, that the turtles' elongated heel is actually a third toe (akin to Nightcrawler), but it must be something that got dropped (like retractable claws from concept art) since that's the only place where I've seen it been refers as a toe. And few places outside of early Mirage and Lawson's art exaggerate the turtles' heel.

http://i0.wp.com/www.retroist.com/wp...size=352%2C529

Retractable claws? Like cats. Actually sounds purdy cool

[Foombamaroom]

Guys... stop flipping out for Christ's sake. This is only a partial origin story and everyone's saying "NO HAMATO YOSHI!" We DON'T KNOW. You idiots need to calm the f*ck down and wait until the movie's released. Yes, the ninja sensory training is a bit stupid, but it's not as stupid as the rat copying moves. Maybe Splinter is a reincarnation of Hamato Yoshi like IDW? Why don't you all just calm the hell down and WAIT like the rest of us and look to the positive sides of the movie.

[Foombamaroom]

Originally Posted by pennydreadful

Personally, I could definitely do without the heroic destiny thing, but that's probably where this is headed. Maybe they'll handle it well, in which case I won't have anything to complain about. I'm just a bit tired of seeing it in every single superhero movie these days.

I think they're just making it so children could understand. I mean, the plot of the movie looks like they need to stop Shredder, which kind of is their mission in all forms of TMNT.

Originally Posted by Pondslider

Everything will become clear once Splinter passes the Matrix of Leadership on to April just like her dad would have wanted.

I laughed for a hard 4 minutes and started laughing again when I pictured Shredder going up to the Turtles like "WHERE'S THE ALL SPARK!?"

Originally Posted by Tora

I wrote this on a different forum last year before we found out about the change in the script that Col. Schradar would be dropped.


I'm gonna take a shot in the dark guess and say that this is how Shredder/Schradar, Stockman and Splinter will be portrayed and how they are all connected....



20 years ago we meet two scientists (Baxter & Yoshi) who are working on a special bio mutagen that was given to them by a military intelligence group to examine and understand. After some time Yoshi has begun trying it out on his pet/lab rat (Splinter) and for the past few years has been slowly mutating him to where he can speak and and do certain tasks. Yoshi and Splinter have a great bond and Yoshi takes Splinter home every night to teach him about being human. Splinter likes to watch old martial arts movies with Yoshi often so often that he has begun to learn ninja esque skills and is a big fan of Bruce Lee...

After some time Baxter tells Yoshi that he should tell the powers that be that the mutagen works! Stockman then says that they should show Colonel Schradar his progress with Splinter. Yoshi tells Baxter that he still wants more time to teach Splinter and that he feels that the Ooze is dangerous and if mishandled could be turned into a bio weapon. Baxter decides to go behind Yoshi's back and calls Schradar to come and see Splinter. The Col. later arrives at the lab unannounced and sees that not only does Splinter talk but that he has grown 8 times his normal size!

Yoshi tells the Col. that the Ooze is still in it's testing stage and that he feels that it is too dangerous to take from the lab and should be destroyed. The col. tells Yoshi that Baxter will be fully taking over the project and that his services are no longer needed. Yoshi asks that he take Splinter home with with him and the Col. tells Yoshi that his Rat is Government property and that his pet will be kept for testing and will later be dissected. In that moment Yoshi runs over to Splinter and tells him to grab the Ozze and run for it! A fight with Yoshi & the Col. ensue and the Col. kills Yoshi for letting Splinter escape from the lab with the Ooze.

Splinter flees to the sewer saddened that his master is dead. Not long after living down in the sewers he accidentally spills the Ooze on some baby Turtles that he found while down there....




That is how I could see it go down with the white Shredder and the Ooze that comes into play.

I agree with the Yoshi and Baxter part. I think a lot of people are forgetting that in the real world, someone probably may be a master of a ninjitsu but might also have a second job. Yoshi probably is a scientist or at least a consultant for the sensory training. I do not, however, agree with the Col. Shrader part as they are calling him Shredder. I'm putting my money on that Eric Sachs is Oroku Saki's protege.

[slingtheory]

Originally Posted by mmacauley

Guys... stop flipping out for Christ's sake. This is only a partial origin story and everyone's saying "NO HAMATO YOSHI!" We DON'T KNOW. You idiots need to calm the f*ck down and wait until the movie's released. Yes, the ninja sensory training is a bit stupid, but it's not as stupid as the rat copying moves. Maybe Splinter is a reincarnation of Hamato Yoshi like IDW? Why don't you all just calm the hell down and WAIT like the rest of us and look to the positive sides of the movie.

My god I am so seriously tired of people calling other people idiots because they have a different viewpoint. It doesn't matter how good your point is if you have to insult others to make it. And for the record I do think the ninja sensory training angle is just a little bit sillier than a rat copying moves but that's just me

[Foombamaroom]

Originally Posted by slingtheory

My god I am so seriously tired of people calling other people idiots because they have a different viewpoint. It doesn't matter how good your point is if you have to insult others to make it. And for the record I do think the ninja sensory training angle is just a little bit sillier than a rat copying moves but that's just me

That's your opinion and there's nothing wrong with that. It's just a bit frustrating when you see a partial origin and people are already flipping out when they don't know the whole thing. Rather than being happy that there IS a new Ninja Turtles movie coming out, people are complaining about things. Yes, I personally have some complaints about the movie, but people need to look for the positives of the movie. And the people I'm calling idiots are those who rant and rave and pull facts out of their asses such as "There is no Hamato Yoshi in this movie." There damn well may not be Hamato Yoshi, but they haven't even SEEN the movie. So, yes, I do refer to them as idiots, but not to make my point.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by Leo656

"Injected with a soul..."

I guess Peter David ghost-wrote a draft of the script, huh?

I wish. He's decent and can churn out some really great stuff occasionally.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

My guess? Hamato Yoshi was a legendary ninja from that ancient battle we saw in the tapestry Sachs was showing april. When they were experimenting with splinter to make thier mutant super-solider, they infused DNA and memories from Hamato Yoshi's exhumed remains, and backed it up with 'ninja conditioning' in the hopes of bringing Yoshi's ninja skills and reflexes to the surface in thier test subject. The problem is that Splinter also absorbed Yoshi's 'noble' personality along with his memories, something Saki and his lackey Sachs hadn't counted on.

[chrisdude]

Maybe Yoshi is just dead already, like he was in the first movie.

[Candy Kappa]

If Splinter gets imprinted Ninjas fighting abilities, and stopping the Foot is just the Turtles job, is really Yoshi necessary. There's no deeper conflict ike previous versions, but no need for him.

[slingtheory]

Originally Posted by mmacauley

That's your opinion and there's nothing wrong with that. It's just a bit frustrating when you see a partial origin and people are already flipping out when they don't know the whole thing. Rather than being happy that there IS a new Ninja Turtles movie coming out, people are complaining about things. Yes, I personally have some complaints about the movie, but people need to look for the positives of the movie. And the people I'm calling idiots are those who rant and rave and pull facts out of their asses such as "There is no Hamato Yoshi in this movie." There damn well may not be Hamato Yoshi, but they haven't even SEEN the movie. So, yes, I do refer to them as idiots, but not to make my point.

absolutley they havent seen it but the majority arevoicing their opinions of how things look based on the info that we have. Which in my opinion in no way makes them idiots. This is speculation and people voicing their concerns based on that and nothing else. Could we be wrong? Yep. could we be spot on? There's a chance of that too. No one will know until the movie comes out. And can someone please explain to me this line of thinking that we should just be happy the hollywood gods have decided to gift us with a new movie. Of couse there's going to be complaints if you don't see many positives to focus on and really I'm not seeing to many

[Bry]

Originally Posted by slingtheory

My god I am so seriously tired of people calling other people idiots because they have a different viewpoint. It doesn't matter how good your point is if you have to insult others to make it. And for the record I do think the ninja sensory training angle is just a little bit sillier than a rat copying moves but that's just me

Exactly. If someone can't make their point without insulting or talking down to people, then they really need to think about how they communicate. Because it's actually very easy to disagree or have a debate without being insulting and hostile. People have differing opinions and the right to express them, and we've all gotta accept that.

Originally Posted by mmacauley

So, yes, I do refer to them as idiots, but not to make my point.

And what exactly does that add to the conversation? All it does is make people feel insulted and add needless hostility to the conversation.

Even if you disagree with them or don't understand their perspective, don't call people idiots. There is no good reason to be so rude or insulting over a freaking movie.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by slingtheory

And can someone please explain to me this line of thinking that we should just be happy the hollywood gods have decided to gift us with a new movie. Of couse there's going to be complaints if you don't see many positives to focus on and really I'm not seeing to many

i would like the answer to this too...why should we have to like it just because its made

[Artist]

This has IDW all over it. Had posted this on another thread.

Hello Technodrome,
Baxter Stockman runs the place, and gets a call from General Krang in Burnow Island. He is waging a war and is getting impatient for the test results he ordered. Baxter says there are delays but they are making great progress with the Terrapin/Human Exo-Armor Synthesis and Rodentia Psychotropic serum tests. Krang demands all of this, as well as the super soldier mutagen Baxter promised, since the General was giving Baxter the funding for all of this. Baxter promises all will be delivered soon and wait will be worth it… as a worried little rat looks on.

Three months later, Chet comments on how fold April is of the turtles. She asks why they call the rat Splinter. Another intern, Lindsey tells her they test him with Psychotropic serum, with splits, or splinters his animal nature in two, separating a capacity for human-like cognition, from his basic animal instincts. April asks what something like this has to do with bio-engineering meat, and Chet quickly draws her attention back to the turtles. April already named them, Leonardo, Donatello, Michelangelo and Raphael, inspired from a ‘history of renaissance art’ course she’s taking that semester.

Fifteen months ago. At Stockgen labs, Baxter Stockman gets a damage assessment from Chet regarding the ninja break-in. Though the terrapin exo-suit armor samples remain, the psychotropic serum was lost with Splinter and the traces of super soldier mutagen recovered from the alley have been tainted beyond use. Baxter is infuriated, as the ninja belonged to a rival of General Krang, who provided him with his secret mutagen at great risk; Krang won't like this news one bit. Chet suggests that if they can find Splinter, they can regain both the psychotropic drug and the mutagen from his blood. Baxter laughs at the idea of tracking down a single rat in New York City, but a slimy, furry, one-eyed individual comes crawling into the lab, assuring them he can do it: Old Hob.

Terrapin/Human Exo-Armor = The Shredder Armor we have been seeing.
Psychotropic serum, with splits, or splinters = Splinter being a lab rat in The Ultimate Visual History book script
super soldier mutagen Baxter promised = " Heros are not born they are created"
April asks what something like this has to do with bio-engineering meat = Aprils dad will replace April as a Stock Gen employ.
Chet suggests that if they can find Splinter, they can regain both the psychotropic drug and the mutagen from his blood = The Foot capturing the turtles as seen in set photos. Also the turtle layer break in. Maybe to capture splinter? Or the turtles for the psychotropic drug and the mutagen from their blood.
Links to my thoughts on what we could be seeing: http://tmntentity.blogspot.com/2011/11/tmnt-idw-4.html
http://markandpaigerodriguez.blogspo...-constant.html

People might not like the new comic origins, but it is not just some made up hollywood story. This is Kevin's fingerprints for sure.

[DioLeo451]

Originally Posted by Artist

This has IDW all over it. Had posted this on another thread.

Hello Technodrome,
Baxter Stockman runs the place, and gets a call from General Krang in Burnow Island. He is waging a war and is getting impatient for the test results he ordered. Baxter says there are delays but they are making great progress with the Terrapin/Human Exo-Armor Synthesis and Rodentia Psychotropic serum tests. Krang demands all of this, as well as the super soldier mutagen Baxter promised, since the General was giving Baxter the funding for all of this. Baxter promises all will be delivered soon and wait will be worth it… as a worried little rat looks on.

Three months later, Chet comments on how fold April is of the turtles. She asks why they call the rat Splinter. Another intern, Lindsey tells her they test him with Psychotropic serum, with splits, or splinters his animal nature in two, separating a capacity for human-like cognition, from his basic animal instincts. April asks what something like this has to do with bio-engineering meat, and Chet quickly draws her attention back to the turtles. April already named them, Leonardo, Donatello, Michelangelo and Raphael, inspired from a ‘history of renaissance art’ course she’s taking that semester.

Fifteen months ago. At Stockgen labs, Baxter Stockman gets a damage assessment from Chet regarding the ninja break-in. Though the terrapin exo-suit armor samples remain, the psychotropic serum was lost with Splinter and the traces of super soldier mutagen recovered from the alley have been tainted beyond use. Baxter is infuriated, as the ninja belonged to a rival of General Krang, who provided him with his secret mutagen at great risk; Krang won't like this news one bit. Chet suggests that if they can find Splinter, they can regain both the psychotropic drug and the mutagen from his blood. Baxter laughs at the idea of tracking down a single rat in New York City, but a slimy, furry, one-eyed individual comes crawling into the lab, assuring them he can do it: Old Hob.

Terrapin/Human Exo-Armor = The Shredder Armor we have been seeing.
Psychotropic serum, with splits, or splinters = Splinter being a lab rat in The Ultimate Visual History book script
super soldier mutagen Baxter promised = " Heros are not born they are created"
April asks what something like this has to do with bio-engineering meat = Aprils dad will replace April as a Stock Gen employ.
Chet suggests that if they can find Splinter, they can regain both the psychotropic drug and the mutagen from his blood = The Foot capturing the turtles as seen in set photos. Also the turtle layer break in. Maybe to capture splinter? Or the turtles for the psychotropic drug and the mutagen from their blood.
Links to my thoughts on what we could be seeing: http://tmntentity.blogspot.com/2011/11/tmnt-idw-4.html
http://markandpaigerodriguez.blogspo...-constant.html

People might not like the new comic origins, but it is not just some made up hollywood story. This is Kevin's fingerprints for sure.

If all this is true which is kickass btw then...damn

[Artist]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

If Splinter gets imprinted Ninjas fighting abilities, and stopping the Foot is just the Turtles job, is really Yoshi necessary. There's no deeper conflict ike previous versions, but no need for him.

Of course Yoshi is not necessary in your synopsis. But if the DNA happens to be Yoshi's, and there was some kind memorie imprint of Saki vs Yoshi, it makes perfect sense to include him. Why do you keep running from this movie having anything to do with some source material? That question is geared towards every person disliking this movie. I can tell you why I run to source material when seeing something new. Because it resembles source material. The lab rat, turtle testing resembles IDW. The humor resembles the more comedic aspect of the turtle cartoons. The man in the shadows resembles the new nick show Saki. I just have a hard time wondering why people who hate this movie keep running from this movie having any source material. I can see why some people hate it, because they want a more grounded movie that resembles what they feel is cooler in their respected opinion. But why keep pushing the notion of this movie not having any source material?

[A_Little_Too_Raph.9859]

I can see them using some of that but we KNOW that in this movie April is a reporter....not a lab assistant/intern at Stockgen

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Galactus

I wish. He's decent and can churn out some really great stuff occasionally.

Oh absolutely. Just a good-natured swipe at how his run on Supergirl may as well have been called, "Peter David Uses Comic Books To Reinforce How Much He Loves Him Some Jesus."

It was a terrific book, actually. It was just SO heavy on the religious stuff that I can't help but poke fun now and then.

[Mr.Green]

Originally Posted by Artist

This has IDW all over it. Had posted this on another thread.

Hello Technodrome,
Baxter Stockman runs the place, and gets a call from General Krang in Burnow Island. He is waging a war and is getting impatient for the test results he ordered. Baxter says there are delays but they are making great progress with the Terrapin/Human Exo-Armor Synthesis and Rodentia Psychotropic serum tests. Krang demands all of this, as well as the super soldier mutagen Baxter promised, since the General was giving Baxter the funding for all of this. Baxter promises all will be delivered soon and wait will be worth it… as a worried little rat looks on.

Three months later, Chet comments on how fold April is of the turtles. She asks why they call the rat Splinter. Another intern, Lindsey tells her they test him with Psychotropic serum, with splits, or splinters his animal nature in two, separating a capacity for human-like cognition, from his basic animal instincts. April asks what something like this has to do with bio-engineering meat, and Chet quickly draws her attention back to the turtles. April already named them, Leonardo, Donatello, Michelangelo and Raphael, inspired from a ‘history of renaissance art’ course she’s taking that semester.

Fifteen months ago. At Stockgen labs, Baxter Stockman gets a damage assessment from Chet regarding the ninja break-in. Though the terrapin exo-suit armor samples remain, the psychotropic serum was lost with Splinter and the traces of super soldier mutagen recovered from the alley have been tainted beyond use. Baxter is infuriated, as the ninja belonged to a rival of General Krang, who provided him with his secret mutagen at great risk; Krang won't like this news one bit. Chet suggests that if they can find Splinter, they can regain both the psychotropic drug and the mutagen from his blood. Baxter laughs at the idea of tracking down a single rat in New York City, but a slimy, furry, one-eyed individual comes crawling into the lab, assuring them he can do it: Old Hob.

Terrapin/Human Exo-Armor = The Shredder Armor we have been seeing.
Psychotropic serum, with splits, or splinters = Splinter being a lab rat in The Ultimate Visual History book script
super soldier mutagen Baxter promised = " Heros are not born they are created"
April asks what something like this has to do with bio-engineering meat = Aprils dad will replace April as a Stock Gen employ.
Chet suggests that if they can find Splinter, they can regain both the psychotropic drug and the mutagen from his blood = The Foot capturing the turtles as seen in set photos. Also the turtle layer break in. Maybe to capture splinter? Or the turtles for the psychotropic drug and the mutagen from their blood.
Links to my thoughts on what we could be seeing: http://tmntentity.blogspot.com/2011/11/tmnt-idw-4.html
http://markandpaigerodriguez.blogspo...-constant.html

People might not like the new comic origins, but it is not just some made up hollywood story. This is Kevin's fingerprints for sure.

IF the movie goes with this origin, I will be happy but I think you're giving them too much credit. I really REALLY hope for this or something similar to be the movie origin but I don't wanna get my hopes too high on this film

[Artist]

Originally Posted by Mr.Green

IF the movie goes with this origin, I will be happy but I think you're giving them too much credit. I really REALLY hope for this or something similar to be the movie origin but I don't wanna get my hopes too high on this film

It is not about giving them to much credit, it is about showing all the similarities to the IDW comic. Like the other question I raised, why run from this movie having any source material? Why when people bring up this movie having some source material do some say, "na its probably just white shredder and the guy in the shadows is a figment of his his imagination, cause no way this movie could get any source material right, cause they have clothes on, and have lips." What do you see in this movie that is so far from any tmnt source material?